Interesting article about playoff selection

[terdferguson]

I read this and man, we got even more hosed than I already thought. The article is all about how sos wasn't very important to the playoff committee this year. Instead teams with more wins but lower sos were consistently ranked higher than teams with less wins but higher sos. Except in one case: Miami. Here is an excerpt:

"No. 2 Texas (11-1, 7-1 SEC), with zero Top 25 wins, has been consistently ranked above Georgia (10-2, 6-2 SEC), which has three of them, including at Texas. No. 3 Penn State (11-1, 8-1 Big Ten) has one Top 25 win and is three spots above Ohio State (10-2, 7-2), which has two top-10 wins, including at Penn State. Heck, go all the way to the bottom of the rankings and you’ll find No. 20 UNLV (10-2, 6-1 MWC), with zero Top 25 wins, two spots ahead of Syracuse (9-3, 5-3 ACC), which has two Top 25 wins — including at UNLV.

In all three cases, the higher-ranked team has the lower strength of schedule evaluation on the major published ratings (Sagarin, FPI, etc.), but are still ordered by number of losses. Much like how No. 10 Boise State, 11-1, has the 89th-ranked schedule on Jeff Sagarin’s ratings but is five spots above 10-2 Arizona State (38th) and Iowa State (42nd).

Ironically, when the committee made its most important decision of the season Tuesday, ranking 9-3 Alabama ahead of 10-2 Miami for what could become the last at-large berth in the field — finally, numbers mattered. Manuel laid out several hard facts in the case for the Crimson Tide: a better Top 25 record (3-1 vs. 0-1) and a better record against winning opponents (5-1 vs. 4-2). And yes, Alabama’s schedule strength is superior to Miami’s per every major outlet.

“I just want consistency,” said Pollard, who got into a social media feud on X with SMU counterpart Rick Hart shortly after Tuesday’s rankings show. “What appears to me is strength of schedule wasn’t the determining factor for SMU, Indiana and Boise State; it was (being) 11-1. I don’t have to like that, but if that’s the case, then OK, be consistent. And if that’s the case, how do you justify Miami?”"

There are some really great points in here. Texas is 11-1 and has zero top 25 wins. Georgia is 10-2 but has 3 top 25 wins INCLUDING A HEAD TO HEAD ROAD WIN OVER TEXAS. If you put Texas over UGA then how in the world can you justify Bama over Miami?

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[Ispyin]

They’re all so full of ****.

And for the know it all “Miami fans” this isn’t about well “Miami doesn’t deserve it, should have won on the field” argument

NONE of the teams in question did that. All could have won one more game and taken the decision out of the committee. It’s about the bull**** rationale and decision making and moving the goalposts and arbitrary drops or elevations with no consistency going against their on rules and statements in discussions about multiple teams that all didn’t do what they could on the field

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

You’re better off not caring at this point. Trying to invoke logic or consistency to the process is a fools errand. They chose who they chose.

And wonder what will happen if SMU loses by more than 10? Look at last weeks tv numbers. Find bammer and find SMU in the same time slot. (**** even compare them to us)

 

[Memnon]

Post in thread 'Conference Championship Games this Weekend 12/1-12/2'

Dec 1, 2023

If uga loses to bama which is highly possible they will squeeze out the sec? Meaning a chance for anyone to win?

It wouldn’t change the guard though not yet at least

Never in a Million years...

The playoff will ALWAYS have a SEC team in it; UGA & Bama could go 8-4/7-5 & they’d still make the playoffs.

And with playoff expansion coming, you can expect 3 to 4 teams a year from the SEC making it on an annual basis.

The CFB Playoff is the SEC Invitational

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[423Hurricane]

They’re all so full of ****.

And for the know it Alls this isn’t about well “Miami doesn’t deserve it, should have won on the field” argument

NONE of the teams in question did that. All could have won one more game and taken the decision out of the committee. It’s about the bull**** rationale and decision making and moving the goalposts and arbitrary drops or elevations with no consistency going against their on rules and statements in discussions about multiple teams that all didn’t do what they could on the field

This is what happens when you’ve got humans involved. Especially several with no football coaching or playing experience. I don’t know what the solution is but the current format clearly ain’t working.

 

[TpaBayFlyFisher]

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[major kong]

I would threaten legal action. Make them justify prejudice under oath. Discovery would be a hoot.

 

[tvo1993]

Also love the convenient use of OVER 500 teams vs bowl eligible teams (which is typical). For bowl eligible games:

Bama: 7-3 (2 losses and 1 win get left out with how the committee frames it)
Miami: 7-2 (0 losses and 3 wins get left out)

I personally would be less ****ed if it was Ole Miss or SC, but the fact that Bama has jumped into the last spot with controversy 3 times now (2017, 2023, 2024) is complete and utter bull****.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

We knew the fix was in when the CFP committee moved Alabama up 3 spots after beating FCS Mercer. It was literally rigged because the next week they lost badly to a 5-5 Oklahoma team scoring 3 points. If Alabama hadn't been promoted 3 spots after beating FCS Mercer, they would have fallen to 15th-16th after their Oklahoma loss and not able to recover to a top 11 ranking.

Miami didn't handle its business, so this is what we get. We knew going into it this is the ESPN playoffs. The announcers at ESPN were spinning for a 9-3 SEC team even before any of the SEC contenders had 3 losses. Heather Dinich works for ESPN and is also the spokesperson for the CFP committee. Talk about a conflict if interest. She was already spinning into public if a 3 loss SaeC team in the playoffs when the teams ESPN and the committee wanted became a possibility of 3 losses. It's so sickening. They're not even hiding it.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

It really is disgusting the ***** job we received.

I wonder if UM can sue. That decision cost us about 20 million dollars.

P.S. save the comments of we cost ourselves the money. There are other 2 loss teams in, with worse losses. And as the article stated, UM was the only one treated differently.

 

[ssvir]

 

[TNmiami]

Yall trying to make us the next fsu. Soft

 

[IamaCane4Life]

At the end of the day, Mario and The U could not beat Cuse and we are where we are, screwed!

 

[dk72]

At the end of the day, Mario and The U could not beat Cuse and we are where we are, screwed!

..at the end of the day Bama couldn't beat 3 teams, and got absolutely embarrassed in a non-competitive game ..yet there they are being given a charity slot based on their name and affiliation

 

[Hoyacane1620]

PRetty obvious what will happen to SMU if they lose....

 

[Tony4Canes]

Just saw bracket with Boise St with bye and both Clemson and SMU in with Bama out

 

[MiamiVice7]

I’m still salty af. Don’t want Bama in, but part of me would love Bama to make it then get shutout and lose something like 31-0. Would be glorious.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I read this and man, we got even more hosed than I already thought. The article is all about how sos wasn't very important to the playoff committee this year. Instead teams with more wins but lower sos were consistently ranked higher than teams with less wins but higher sos. Except in one case: Miami. Here is an excerpt:

"No. 2 Texas (11-1, 7-1 SEC), with zero Top 25 wins, has been consistently ranked above Georgia (10-2, 6-2 SEC), which has three of them, including at Texas. No. 3 Penn State (11-1, 8-1 Big Ten) has one Top 25 win and is three spots above Ohio State (10-2, 7-2), which has two top-10 wins, including at Penn State. Heck, go all the way to the bottom of the rankings and you’ll find No. 20 UNLV (10-2, 6-1 MWC), with zero Top 25 wins, two spots ahead of Syracuse (9-3, 5-3 ACC), which has two Top 25 wins — including at UNLV.

In all three cases, the higher-ranked team has the lower strength of schedule evaluation on the major published ratings (Sagarin, FPI, etc.), but are still ordered by number of losses. Much like how No. 10 Boise State, 11-1, has the 89th-ranked schedule on Jeff Sagarin’s ratings but is five spots above 10-2 Arizona State (38th) and Iowa State (42nd).

Ironically, when the committee made its most important decision of the season Tuesday, ranking 9-3 Alabama ahead of 10-2 Miami for what could become the last at-large berth in the field — finally, numbers mattered. Manuel laid out several hard facts in the case for the Crimson Tide: a better Top 25 record (3-1 vs. 0-1) and a better record against winning opponents (5-1 vs. 4-2). And yes, Alabama’s schedule strength is superior to Miami’s per every major outlet.

“I just want consistency,” said Pollard, who got into a social media feud on X with SMU counterpart Rick Hart shortly after Tuesday’s rankings show. “What appears to me is strength of schedule wasn’t the determining factor for SMU, Indiana and Boise State; it was (being) 11-1. I don’t have to like that, but if that’s the case, then OK, be consistent. And if that’s the case, how do you justify Miami?”"

There are some really great points in here. Texas is 11-1 and has zero top 25 wins. Georgia is 10-2 but has 3 top 25 wins INCLUDING A HEAD TO HEAD ROAD WIN OVER TEXAS. If you put Texas over UGA then how in the world can you justify Bama over Miami?

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Brother, I've had a few rants the past few days on this. The more I think about it, we got ******* hosed.

Listen, we ******* blew it and that is on us. The game is the game.

But we got absolutely ***t by these ******* ******** in the selection committee. Total **** field.

3 loss team that lost to Vandy and by 3-scores to Brokelahoma 2 weeks ago.
Tennessee lost to the Pig and barely beat UF.
Indiana has dog **** wins, too. They should be down there hanging out with Army's 11-1 ***.
Penn State has one win over a Top 25 team -- lmfao ILLINOIS.

Miami lost two games, on the road, by one score in a true one possession game (came down to the end in both games) to two legit bowl teams. One just took Georgia to eight ******* overtimes.

Garbage teams like Mizzou, Illinois, and Texas A&M's trash *** programs sat in the Top 25 most of the year to give those conferences garbage ranked wins. Look at the B1G overall, its 4 teams and a ton of ******* SLOP right after.

Yes, I am mad.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Yes.

Two things can be true at the same time.

We blew it.

We got screwed.

I have a solution to get 2 ACC teams in the CFP. SMU opts out of the ACC-CG. Miami and Clemson play in the ACC-CG. Winner gets the auto-bid.

**** the SEC/Big-10 duopoly. Let's steal our money back.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

You’re missing the most important question. How can Bama be ranked ahead of us, but Ole Miss and SC not be? The metrics they used to justify Bama being ahead of us, also mean Ole Miss and SC should be ranked ahead of us. But of course it was never about anything other than squeezing Bama in.