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SFbayCane said:
See post #36.

And see that he won the Clemson 2023 game against a top ten defense. And had us driving for the game tying TD at FSU when FSU was a 12 win team.

We'll be fine with Emory, if he ends up being the starter next year. You should not compare him to Cam Ward, which is what those two halves forced many to do.


@NicKane - adding you to this post.
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I can’t tell if we’re doing shtic here or not but if you’re being serious…hope you’re right brother!
 
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Telituesday said:
He hasn’t played well in a single start and didn’t look good in the spring game. We have never seen him look like a good quarterback at any point at Miami when we were allowed to watch
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As an 18 and 19 year old, he's beaten out every single QB who he has competed against in camp. And that includes TVD (who he outplayed) and Poffenbarger, who put up crazy good numbers at the FCS level. He beat out Jacurri Brown twice. He would have beaten out the Columbus kid from Cal, which is why that kid is now at Indiana.

Im not going to argue with all of the mouth-breathers here. Im simply expressing my continued confidence in Emory Williams as a productive starting QB for us. He had a bad half against a top five passing defense during a time when he got limited first team reps. Dont panic.



Edit - Adding @cowboycane - because I like discussing ball with you.
 
SFbayCane said:
See post #36.

And see that he won the Clemson 2023 game against a top ten defense. And had us driving for the game tying TD at FSU when FSU was a 12 win team.

We'll be fine with Emory, if he ends up being the starter next year. You should not compare him to Cam Ward, which is what those two halves forced many to do.
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SFbayCane said:
See post #36.

And see that he won the Clemson 2023 game against a top ten defense. And had us driving for the game tying TD at FSU when FSU was a 12 win team.

We'll be fine with Emory, if he ends up being the starter next year. You should not compare him to Cam Ward, which is what those two halves forced many to do.


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Appreciate the reply. Again I'm not arguing with you, but I just don't see it the same way. But I'd love to be wrong!

Emory had 150 yards, 1 TD and 1 int vs Clemson in that game. Average. Serviceable.
Our defense and RBs played great that night from what I remember. Emory didn't wow me, he didn't play good or bad imo.
After they lost to us, they lost to UNC the next week and were 4-4... so they were struggling in the middle of the season. (Finished 9-4)
Klubnik made the wrong read in 2OT and we tackled him and we won. We could have just as easily lost that game. Not that you don't know all of this, obviously you watched the game lol.


And I'm definitely NOT comparing him to Cam Ward. No one should do that. I didn't think Emory was all that good before I even knew what a Cam Ward was. Again, if Emory is our starting QB next season, I hope I'm flat out wrong about him. I hope he takes a huge leap forward and plays great.

But I personally don't see it. I don't think he's got that potential. We need a major upgrade at QB.
 
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klineski96 said:
Appreciate the reply. Again I'm not arguing with you, but I just don't see it the same way. But I'd love to be wrong!

Emory had 150 yards, 1 TD and 1 int vs Clemson in that game. Average. Serviceable.
Our defense and RBs played great that night from what I remember. Emory didn't wow me, he didn't play good or bad imo.
After they lost to us, they lost to UNC the next week and were 4-4... so they were struggling in the middle of the season. (Finished 9-4)
Klubnik made the wrong read in 2OT and we tackled him and we won. We could have just as easily lost that game. Not that you don't know all of this, obviously you watched the game lol.


And I'm definitely NOT comparing him to Cam Ward. No one should do that. I didn't think Emory was all that good before I even knew what a Cam Ward was. Again, if Emory is our starting QB next season, I hope I'm flat out wrong about him. I hope he takes a huge leap forward and plays great.

But I personally don't see it. I don't think he's got that potential. We need a major upgrade at QB.
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Solid response, thank you for that. I certainly have some reservations as well.

To me, I think I like Emory so much because when I look at him with my left eye squinted, I see Ken Dorsey. And when I squint my right eye I see Steve Walsh. Maybe I just need a better Optical Plan. lol

Jokes aside, I'm still a believer in Emory's ability to be a solid QB1. His decision-making always jumps off at me.
 
SFbayCane said:
As an 18 and 19 year old, he's beaten out every single QB who he has competed against in camp. And that includes TVD (who he outplayed) and Poffenbarger, who put up crazy good numbers at the FCS level. He beat out Jacurri Brown twice. He would have beaten out the Columbus kid from Cal, which is why that kid is now at Indiana.

Im not going to argue with all of the mouth-breathers here. Im simply expressing my continued confidence in Emory Williams as a productive starting QB for us. He had a bad half against a top five passing defense during a time when he got limited first team reps. Dont panic.



Edit - Adding @cowboycane - because I like discussing ball with you.
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Dude you are r*******d with this Emory chit.
 
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SFbayCane said:
Put me in the camp that says Emory can and will still be a productive starting QB at UM.

Hate away, if you must.
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After all you have seen, and you still believe…
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Not hating, just…. wow.
 
SFbayCane said:
As an 18 and 19 year old, he's beaten out every single QB who he has competed against in camp. And that includes TVD (who he outplayed) and Poffenbarger, who put up crazy good numbers at the FCS level. He beat out Jacurri Brown twice. He would have beaten out the Columbus kid from Cal, which is why that kid is now at Indiana.

Im not going to argue with all of the mouth-breathers here. Im simply expressing my continued confidence in Emory Williams as a productive starting QB for us. He had a bad half against a top five passing defense during a time when he got limited first team reps. Dont panic.



Edit - Adding @cowboycane - because I like discussing ball with you.
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I'd argue that this is more a symptom of our bad QB recruiting than it is of Emory being some majorly slept on talent.

You're doing a counterfactual on Mendoza...we have no idea what would have happened if they had competed head to head. My read is that we didn't recruit Mendoza because Mario is trying to big brain this thing again...he lucked out on the Cam Ward situation (which he deserves credit for) and is now trying to ride the lightning with whoever this mystery QB is supposed to be.

The others are all just below-average QBs. Poff looked terrible in the limited snaps we saw, Jacurri can't throw and TVD turned into a pumpkin as soon as teams started playing Zone defense.

If we're going off of only what we've seen, Emory is at best a below-average QB and probably worse. He was awful against Iowa State (Kirk dropped that ball but Emory also threw his only fastball of the game on that throw for some reason)...blindingly mediocre against Clemson (defense + Breshard won us that game)...and very bad against FSU (Jacolby with a somewhat flukey long run after the catch is what kept us in striking position there, as I recall).

I think Emory is tough, he gives a ****, he's clearly a good locker room guy...I would love to keep him around as a 3rd string guy. Maybe one day he turns into something serviceable.

But if we are serious about not forfeiting whatever momentum this season created for us we cannot bank on him to be the guy.
 
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SFbayCane said:
Solid response, thank you for that. I certainly have some reservations as well.

To me, I think I like Emory so much because when I look at him with my left eye squinted, I see Ken Dorsey. And when I squint my right eye I see Steve Walsh. Maybe I just need a better Optical Plan. lol

Jokes aside, I'm still a believer in Emory's ability to be a solid QB1. His decision-making always jumps off at me.
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SFbayCane said:
See post #36.

And see that he won the Clemson 2023 game against a top ten defense. And had us driving for the game tying TD at FSU when FSU was a 12 win team.

We'll be fine with Emory, if he ends up being the starter next year. You should not compare him to Cam Ward, which is what those two halves forced many to do.


@NicKane - adding you to this post.
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Is this a troll? Didn't he go 8/23 against fsu. Take away that jacolby George td and that's one of the worst games for a qb in canes HISTORY
 
SFbayCane said:
As an 18 and 19 year old, he's beaten out every single QB who he has competed against in camp. And that includes TVD (who he outplayed) and Poffenbarger, who put up crazy good numbers at the FCS level. He beat out Jacurri Brown twice. He would have beaten out the Columbus kid from Cal, which is why that kid is now at Indiana.

Im not going to argue with all of the mouth-breathers here. Im simply expressing my continued confidence in Emory Williams as a productive starting QB for us. He had a bad half against a top five passing defense during a time when he got limited first team reps. Dont panic.



Edit - Adding @cowboycane - because I like discussing ball with you.
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He's a good, tough kid and I like him but we're not going far as an offense if he's the starter. If he have a good defense he can get us by in a few games but he's not carrying this team. This will be evident by the fact we will be bringing in a QB to start next year that isn't him.
 
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I can't understand how anyone can be pushing for Emory to start next year after seeing him in several games as a true freshman and seeing him the PoópTarts Bowl. Throw the stats out the window. Open your eyes. Look at his feet. Look at his mechanics. Look at his feet again because they don't move. He's a tree/statue. Then look at his throws. His arm is not special. It's average on his best day. Now bring the stats back to the party and it's obvious that he's essentially Kirby Freeman without the legs.

I don't have anything against Emory. Seems like the kind of kid you'd want for a son. That doesn't make him a starting caliber QB at UM. I was hoping I would see some sort of advancement/development from him in the bowl game, but it almost felt like I saw regression.
 
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SCarolina Ibis said:
Let's see what 2 of the most trusted names on this board had to say about Emory after the Pop-Tarts Bowl. These are excerpts from longer, well thought out posts, which I've linked to. You should probably read them in their entirety.

@Lance Roffers :

"The performance he put on tape was not FBS quality. I was talking with a guy from this board and he asked me if he'd play at Missouri State and there's no chance. He would absolutely not have been the starter at Missouri State this year."

@Memnon :

"There is no amount of development that can do anything for Emory. He simply doesn't have the ability to be a P4 QB."

"The truth is, he didn't play well against Clemson. At least 7 of his 9 incompletions were dirt balls. He threw the ball 33 times that game for a whopping 151yds. Do you know how bad you have to be to throw the ball 33 times & only accumulate 150yds???"


There are only 3 possible reasons for your level of confidence in Emory.

1. Trolling.
You're trolling and we fell for it. Bravo. If not, there's still time to take this off ramp and I'll give you the W if you do.

2. Pride.
You are aware Emory sucks, but can't/won't allow yourself to admit it.

3. Delusion.
Despite all the evidence, you think you see traits/abilities in Emory that simply do not exist.
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Chandler Rogers from cal just hit the portal! I know he was behind Mendoza this year but he had solid numbers in '23...
 
SFbayCane said:
As an 18 and 19 year old, he's beaten out every single QB who he has competed against in camp. And that includes TVD (who he outplayed) and Poffenbarger, who put up crazy good numbers at the FCS level. He beat out Jacurri Brown twice. He would have beaten out the Columbus kid from Cal, which is why that kid is now at Indiana.

Im not going to argue with all of the mouth-breathers here. Im simply expressing my continued confidence in Emory Williams as a productive starting QB for us. He had a bad half against a top five passing defense during a time when he got limited first team reps. Dont panic.



Edit - Adding @cowboycane - because I like discussing ball with you.
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Let's see what 2 of the most trusted names on this board had to say about Emory after the Pop-Tarts Bowl. These are excerpts from longer, well thought out posts, which I've linked to. You should probably read them in their entirety.

@Lance Roffers :

"The performance he put on tape was not FBS quality. I was talking with a guy from this board and he asked me if he'd play at Missouri State and there's no chance. He would absolutely not have been the starter at Missouri State this year."

@Memnon :

"There is no amount of development that can do anything for Emory. He simply doesn't have the ability to be a P4 QB."

"The truth is, he didn't play well against Clemson. At least 7 of his 9 incompletions were dirt balls. He threw the ball 33 times that game for a whopping 151yds. Do you know how bad you have to be to throw the ball 33 times & only accumulate 150yds???"


There are only 3 possible reasons for your level of confidence in Emory.

1. Trolling.
You're trolling and we fell for it. Bravo. If not, there's still time to take this off ramp and I'll give you the W if you do.

2. Pride.
You are aware Emory sucks, but can't/won't allow yourself to admit it.

3. Delusion.
Despite all the evidence, you think you see traits/abilities in Emory that simply do not exist.
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
Let's see what 2 of the most trusted names on this board had to say about Emory after the Pop-Tarts Bowl. These are excerpts from longer, well thought out posts, which I've linked to. You should probably read them in their entirety.

@Lance Roffers :

"The performance he put on tape was not FBS quality. I was talking with a guy from this board and he asked me if he'd play at Missouri State and there's no chance. He would absolutely not have been the starter at Missouri State this year."

@Memnon :

"There is no amount of development that can do anything for Emory. He simply doesn't have the ability to be a P4 QB."

"The truth is, he didn't play well against Clemson. At least 7 of his 9 incompletions were dirt balls. He threw the ball 33 times that game for a whopping 151yds. Do you know how bad you have to be to throw the ball 33 times & only accumulate 150yds???"


There are only 3 possible reasons for your level of confidence in Emory.

1. Trolling.
You're trolling and we fell for it. Bravo. If not, there's still time to take this off ramp and I'll give you the W if you do.

2. Pride.
You are aware Emory sucks, but can't/won't allow yourself to admit it.

3. Delusion.
Despite all the evidence, you think you see traits/abilities in Emory that simply do not exist.
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I would say people fool themselves based on the fact that he plays hard and carries himself with the right attitude/demeanor. But unfortunately that doesn't translate to production if you just don't have the tools. Also you can be assured that the staff sees what Lance and Memnon see.
 
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