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In Your Opinion..(NCAA Ruling)

JHallCanes said:
miamimike said:
JHallCanes said:
It's good and bad IMO.

It's good because clearly they are having trouble hitting us with concrete stuff. It's bad though because they are clearly still trying and digging. They aren't going to just let us walk at this point.
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I know it's all how you look at things but God who in their right mind would look at it like they are letting us walk? I think we have been hammered already. I hope they come out with a long list of sanctions and say Miami self imposed all theses things and the case is over.
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I agree. I am the one who used to **** when people would talk about "skating"

We have been ****ed over completely already and the NCAA should let us walk. But they ain't going to.
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I definitely know and have no doubt where you stand Jhall. I was referring to the NCAA people having the attitude that they can't let us walk. All of them are so educated and yet so blind, myopic and incompetent.
 
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miamimike said:
JHallCanes said:
miamimike said:
JHallCanes said:
It's good and bad IMO.

It's good because clearly they are having trouble hitting us with concrete stuff. It's bad though because they are clearly still trying and digging. They aren't going to just let us walk at this point.
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I know it's all how you look at things but God who in their right mind would look at it like they are letting us walk? I think we have been hammered already. I hope they come out with a long list of sanctions and say Miami self imposed all theses things and the case is over.
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I agree. I am the one who used to **** when people would talk about "skating"

We have been ****ed over completely already and the NCAA should let us walk. But they ain't going to.
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I definitely know and have no doubt where you stand Jhall. I was referring to the NCAA people having the attitude that they can't let us walk. All of them are so educated and yet so blind, myopic and incompetent.
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I hear ya. Can't do anything at this point but just shrug your shoulders. You can't expect an organization that continues to **** up on a daily basis to just come out and do the right thing.
 
Thanks. I had not really conceived of the USC connection in the way that you explain it. What you say makes sense except I don't think the NCAA wants balance in football. With regard to your final statement, I think that Emmert has steered the NCAA into a partnership of sorts with the SEC. I've tried to understand why he would do it to the extent that he has - ignoring repeated blatant violations in the SEC, etc., and I keep coming back to the popularity/profitability of the sport in the deep south. Perhaps there is some other reason that is obvious that I'm not thinking of, but in business matters I'm a bit of an economic determinist.

Consider this, Auburn had 83,000 fans at their Spring game this year - 83,0000; Alabama had 78,000; Tennessee had 61,000; and lowly Kentucky - which has never won anything meaningful in football - had 50,000 fans at their Spring game. It's not hard to sell ad space or lock up TV time when you have that type of fan support across the board. Clemson and VTech had the most fans of any of the current ACC schools, but they only had 30,000 fans at their Spring games. (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/21/4248898/spring-football-game-attendance-2013-auburn) So outwardly it appears that the putative NCAA partnership with the SEC is based on the SEC's profitability.

I guess the question I have is how does the influence of the SEC impact or perhaps threaten the longterm viability of the NCAA? Could the SEC make more money with the NCAA out of the way? I have no idea how they split their revenue, only that they make a lot of it. But if that was the case then what would keep the SEC from forming their own governing body, breaking from the NCAA, and inviting certain schools to join them? I mean I don't see sports in the deep south being any less popular if the NCAA goes under. Has the SEC gotten too big and too powerful for the NCAA to truly control? As the saying goes, if you can't beat them...

SFbayCane said:
Bennubird said:
There are a lot of stakeholders in the NCAA's decision that might not be obvious to some, but the NCAA decision will have far reaching influence because, for example, as far as recruiting is concerned a loss for us is a gain for someone else and everyone knows how important SF is to CFB recruiting. A healthy or unencumbered UM means a potential shift in the balance of power in CFB away from the SEC, which as it stands today is the NCAA's cash cow. I think the implications are obvious.

I also think it would be naive in the extreme with so much at stake to think that the reason this has taken so long is the NCAA investigators can't figure out how many UM players actually got a free meal at Benihana. The problem as I see it is that the NCAA is dancing with the SEC but has drifted into the middle of a legal minefield with snow skies on and is stuck.
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I agree with this angle and felt that we saw it first hand w/r/t the USC case. Under Pete Carroll USC had single-handedly destroyed the entire PAC10 simply by dominating socal HS recruiting. Mark Emerett was President of the University of Washington prior to LSU where he left to become head of the NCAA. I had no doubt that they went hard at USC in order to restore balance to the pac 10.

Only USC and Miami present this type problem for the NCAA. Look at the growth of dominance of the SEC. It came during the Shan-Coker years. Bennu is on-point. The NCAA wants and to an extent NEEDS a weak Miami and weak USC in order to provide balance to the sport. The problem I have is that the SEC has over-done it and there does not seem to be a desire within the NCAA to take them down a peg.

We'll see.
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At first there was an ominous feel to this delay. But after they reduced the penalties for both PSU and USC for cooperation I think it's a positive sign.

It's their play to save face and mitigate backlash for what could be perceived as too light of a penalty when they give us time served. Making those moves pre-emtively reduced any post-announcement beef.

At least I hope this is what's going on. 😏
 
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It can't be good. As a USC alum and Canes fan I'm convinced neither school will receive a fair shake in this era.

The NCAA is intentionally allowing this to drag on. They don't want a direct comparison after so many lenient dealings with the likes of Oregon and Texas A&M. Details of the NCAA's misdeeds in the Miami case are slowly forgotten as another season overlaps. Other than a handful of media guys with long memories and opinions like Silas and Whitlock, very few will rant if Miami is treated harshly. Contrast that to the height of the Emmert difficulties, when it would have been a sweeping story.

The NCAA has handed out plenty of hints. They sent a letter asking for a billion dollar ponzi schemer to receive preferential consideration within the legal system. A person with a good reputation like Roe Lach had no trouble stretching every rule. A moron like Johanningmeier took it beyond his normal standards of ruthlessness. New ground was broken, like confirmation if you say something twice. Combined with the sheer duration I don't see how anyone can believe that the NCAA will do anything but drop the hammer. Then Donna will unleash a passionate counter that will soar her approval rating in these parts, and make her somewhat of a legend among college football fans nationwide, at least briefly, but the words and tone will have dubious value toward successful appeal, or legal action.
 
I don't think the NCAA cares about the media. If they did, they would have handled the Manziel situation differently. They looked like a joke and they just shrugged it off. Same with the PSU situation. Aside from a lawsuit and a short media outcry the reality is, UM has very limited options. So in essence the NCAA can do whatever they want. The NCAA is very hard to predict. With the Manziel situation, the logical thing to do would have been to hammer him to show that they are still in charge. But they didn't do it and looked weak and foolish in the process.

I wouldn't be surprised if they hand down harsh punishments just to force UM to appeal. The ***** job would be in the fact that the appeal wouldn't be ruled against until after NSD thus affecting another recruiting class. This has taken so long that I would imagine its been factored into their decision. On the appeal the NCAA can lighten the punishment or eliminate it all together because the damage would have already been done and they come out looking like they've finally done the right thing.
 
It may not be that bad. If it was a program killer, they would have announced the Monday after our Gatas win.

They are just milking the uncertainty, probably trying to kill our 2014 class
 
SmokeyRone said:
It may not be that bad. If it was a program killer, they would have announced the Monday after our Gatas win.

They are just milking the uncertainty, probably trying to kill our 2014 class
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More like we are dealing with an incompetent organization that doesn't have a clue of what they are doing and how to logically proceed.
 
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I think there's a good chance that after the appeals process Miami files an antitrust lawsuit against the NCAA.
 
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All these posts are just like, your opinions man.
 
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No question SFbayCane!

It's funny to look back and see how many Canes were on point in calling out the NCAA's BS. I'm still convinced that their marriage to the SEC landed them in an untenable legal position with us and the rest of college football.

SFbayCane said:
Bennu,
The marriage between the SEC and NCAA is definitely all about the money. Look no further than the deal ESPN just cut with the SEC. Forbes called it "The most valuable TV deal in college sports history..."


http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...-the-most-valuable-tv-deal-in-college-sports/
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