In the immortal words of Ed Reed,'Im hurt dawg'...

[Big Sky Cane]

Being a bad person cannot be considered a flaw in a football coach

When coaching 1 game I agree. When tasked to lead a football program, be a leader of men, build relationships in the community, boosters and fans.......yes it can and it has.

 

[CANE1775]

Confucius says, "on the journey to the mountain top, not all steps are forward. "

Confucius say, "Defense that don't provide any resistance not really a defense."

LOL. You always bring the goods man. With that said, my main point was, while the display against Va Tech was pathetic, I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Golden just yet. I know you are, and I respect that, but I'm just not there yet. The Va Tech game was most definitely a big setback, but if it's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that the trajectory of the journey is never straight up. We have a problem on defense, but I believe that we'll get it fixed. Time will tell. I guess it's easier for me to deal with because my mindset has pretty much been the same for a while now; it's really not realistic to expect Golden to get this thing turned around faster than Butch.

 

[L A M P]

If you truly feel that way then I will bow out of further debates with you. Ben Jones, really man? Care to offer up any of his own recruits that have been here 3 years and have gotten significantly better each year? Perryman seems to be regressing, no other LB on the entire roster has been coached up to a decent level. Don't even talk to me about safeties.

What's wrong with Ben Jones? He was on his way to having a fantastic senior campaign before his injury. Al doesn't have any of his own recruits (other than Olsen Pierre) that have been here 3 years. His recruits are either true sophomores or freshman, which is still too soon to judge on how they're truly developing. Perryman is regressing? Seriously? He's had double-digit tackles 4 of the last 5 games (including 11 against FSU & 15 against VT). As for the safeties, it is what is is. Bush has been hurt (so has Rodgers), Jenkins is a true sophomore & Highsmith has played the most snaps... HIGHSMITH.

 

[marshallrc13]

I'll be at the game in Section 5. Anyone else going?

 

[The Franchise]

Confucius says, "on the journey to the mountain top, not all steps are forward. "

Confucius say, "Defense that don't provide any resistance not really a defense."

LOL. You always bring the goods man. With that said, my main point was, while the display against Va Tech was pathetic, I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Golden just yet. I know you are, and I respect that, but I'm just not there yet. The Va Tech game was most definitely a big setback, but if it's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that the trajectory of the journey is never straight up. We have a problem on defense, but I believe that we'll get it fixed. Time will tell. I guess it's easier for me to deal with because my mindset has pretty much been the same for a while now; it's really not realistic to expect Golden to get this thing turned around faster than Butch.

I went nuts after the game, but I haven't completely quit on Corch Al. I just think he's average at best at a lot of things. He still has a shot to make it work, but it's pretty much pure hope at this point to think he'll get us where we want to be. In actuality, he's shown nothing in his entire time as a HC that would anyone feel with any degree of certainty that he's a championship-level HC.

So, it's pretty much hope right now, and I'm just not sold that he's the genius-level evaluator that Davis was. There's probably never been a better evaluator than Davis, so that's a lofty standard. I think he's probably the same level as a HC, and I think he's actually a better recruiter. But I don't think there's any evidence that he's as good of an evaluator as Davis, and that is hugely important when you have so many flaws as a staff.

 

[L A M P]

He still has a shot to make it work, but it's pretty much pure hope at this point to think he'll get us where we want to be. In actuality, he's shown nothing in his entire time as a HC that would anyone feel with any degree of certainty that he's a championship-level HC.

On 247, I heard this exact thing over and over from Noles fans about Jimbo after their loss to NC State last year. Now, he's God's gift to college football.. The difference a year can make. (and an elite QB)

 

[rok]

He still has a shot to make it work, but it's pretty much pure hope at this point to think he'll get us where we want to be. In actuality, he's shown nothing in his entire time as a HC that would anyone feel with any degree of certainty that he's a championship-level HC.

On 247, I heard this exact thing over and over from Noles fans about Jimbo after their loss to NC State last year. Now, he's God's gift to college football.. The difference a year can make. (and an elite QB)

True, although Jimbo replaced Stoops with Pruitt. Golden already has a couple QBs that might be good, now he needs to find his new DC.

 

[Consigliere]

He still has a shot to make it work, but it's pretty much pure hope at this point to think he'll get us where we want to be. In actuality, he's shown nothing in his entire time as a HC that would anyone feel with any degree of certainty that he's a championship-level HC.

On 247, I heard this exact thing over and over from Noles fans about Jimbo after their loss to NC State last year. Now, he's God's gift to college football.. The difference a year can make. (and an elite QB)

True, although Jimbo replaced Stoops with Pruitt. Golden already has a couple QBs that might be good, now he needs to find his new DC.

I think it was risky hiring Pruitt as DC, he never coached a DC at this level.

 

[CANE1775]

Confucius says, "on the journey to the mountain top, not all steps are forward. "

Confucius say, "Defense that don't provide any resistance not really a defense."

LOL. You always bring the goods man. With that said, my main point was, while the display against Va Tech was pathetic, I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Golden just yet. I know you are, and I respect that, but I'm just not there yet. The Va Tech game was most definitely a big setback, but if it's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that the trajectory of the journey is never straight up. We have a problem on defense, but I believe that we'll get it fixed. Time will tell. I guess it's easier for me to deal with because my mindset has pretty much been the same for a while now; it's really not realistic to expect Golden to get this thing turned around faster than Butch.

I went nuts after the game, but I haven't completely quit on Corch Al. I just think he's average at best at a lot of things. He still has a shot to make it work, but it's pretty much pure hope at this point to think he'll get us where we want to be. In actuality, he's shown nothing in his entire time as a HC that would anyone feel with any degree of certainty that he's a championship-level HC.

So, it's pretty much hope right now, and I'm just not sold that he's the genius-level evaluator that Davis was. There's probably never been a better evaluator than Davis, so that's a lofty standard. I think he's probably the same level as a HC, and I think he's actually a better recruiter. But I don't think there's any evidence that he's as good of an evaluator as Davis, and that is hugely important when you have so many flaws as a staff.

I'm busy at work, so I don't have the time to dive into this like I want to, but let me say that while he may not be as good as Butch, I've got to admit that I'm impressed with some of his takes so far. Plus, we seem to jump on kids that have people saying "who" and then all of a sudden the kid blows up. Just me personally, but I think early results show that dude is pretty **** good in those regards.

 

[L A M P]

Golden already has a couple QBs that might be good, now he needs to find his new DC.

Exactly... and I think he will.

 

[The Franchise]

He still has a shot to make it work, but it's pretty much pure hope at this point to think he'll get us where we want to be. In actuality, he's shown nothing in his entire time as a HC that would anyone feel with any degree of certainty that he's a championship-level HC.

On 247, I heard this exact thing over and over from Noles fans about Jimbo after their loss to NC State last year. Now, he's God's gift to college football.. The difference a year can make. (and an elite QB)

There will always be flukes. Let's see what happens when Jemima leaves. If he stays at the same level, then he will have proved the critics wrong. Mack Brown won a NC with Vince Young going HAM. I'm sure if one of our QBs turns out to be a once-in-a-blue-moon type QB like Jemima, then that will help our fortunes quite a bit. It could also be a Johnny Fvckball type deal where the QB makes the offense insane and we still lose a couple games a year because we can't stop anyone.

 

[L A M P]

I think it was risky hiring Pruitt as DC, he never coached a DC at this level.

He is coaching with elite talent on D & backed up with a Top 5 offense... Jury is still out on him IF YOU ASK ME.

 

[CanesAreAble]

He still has a shot to make it work, but it's pretty much pure hope at this point to think he'll get us where we want to be. In actuality, he's shown nothing in his entire time as a HC that would anyone feel with any degree of certainty that he's a championship-level HC.

On 247, I heard this exact thing over and over from Noles fans about Jimbo after their loss to NC State last year. Now, he's God's gift to college football.. The difference a year can make. (and an elite QB)

True, although Jimbo replaced Stoops with Pruitt. Golden already has a couple QBs that might be good, now he needs to find his new DC.

The difference is Jimbo is an offensive coach. He lost his OC, and the offense didn't skip a beat.

Golden is supposed to know his **** on defense. Switching DCs and going with a completely new scheme concerns me more than what I'm seeing on the field right now.

 

[rok]

He still has a shot to make it work, but it's pretty much pure hope at this point to think he'll get us where we want to be. In actuality, he's shown nothing in his entire time as a HC that would anyone feel with any degree of certainty that he's a championship-level HC.

On 247, I heard this exact thing over and over from Noles fans about Jimbo after their loss to NC State last year. Now, he's God's gift to college football.. The difference a year can make. (and an elite QB)

True, although Jimbo replaced Stoops with Pruitt. Golden already has a couple QBs that might be good, now he needs to find his new DC.

The difference is Jimbo is an offensive coach. He lost his OC, and the offense didn't skip a beat.

Golden is supposed to know his **** on defense. Switching DCs and going with a completely new scheme concerns me more than what I'm seeing on the field right now.

That's outrageous

 

[L A M P]

Let's see what happens when Jemima leaves. If he stays at the same level, then he will have proved the critics wrong. Mack Brown won a NC with Vince Young going HAM. I'm sure if one of our QBs turns out to be a once-in-a-blue-moon type QB like Jemima, then that will help our fortunes quite a bit.

That's basically what I was saying. More often then not, players make coaches.. AG just doesn't have the players. He's probably not the Jimmy Johnson that many of us made him out to be.. but he's not Randy Shannon (like some are implying) either. Dennis Erickson won 2 NC's (more than any other coach) here.. and I think AG is easily as good of a HC as he was.

 

[L A M P]

He lost his OC and the offense didn't skip a beat.

Considering Jimbo has always called the plays, I can see why..

 

[The Franchise]

Let's see what happens when Jemima leaves. If he stays at the same level, then he will have proved the critics wrong. Mack Brown won a NC with Vince Young going HAM. I'm sure if one of our QBs turns out to be a once-in-a-blue-moon type QB like Jemima, then that will help our fortunes quite a bit.

That's basically what I was saying. More often then not, players make coaches.. AG just doesn't have the players. He's probably not the Jimmy Johnson that many of us made him out to be.. but he's not Randy Shannon (like some are implying) either. Dennis Erickson won 2 NC's (more than any other coach) here.. and I think AG is easily as good of a HC as he was.

Erickson was actually a great tactician for the time. He brought that one-back spread here when no one was running it. He was also a great big-game coach unlike Corch Al.

There's a difference between "not having the horses" and what we saw on Saturday. How great were VT's "horses" on offense? This has been going on for 3 years now.

 

[L A M P]

He was also a great big-game coach unlike Corch Al.

Or he had big-game players..

 

[The Franchise]

He was also a great big-game coach unlike Corch Al.

Or he had big-game players..

You can just keep going around in circles on this stuff. Poor Corch Al has been saddled with all the dumb players who don't listen to his genius schemes and don't follow assignments and choke in big games. Meanwhile, all the guys on Flubberneck's team are smart and listen to everything and come up big in clutch moments.

Guys like Luther Maddy, who UM didn't think about signing in our own backyard, are just smarter and better listeners than our guys. Sounds legit.

 

[Cane Steve]

no, I haven't forgotten about my comrades here at CanesInsight.com. I've been busy and I needed a day or two to digest the disaster that was the Vatech game. I can not lie, this loss just felt different than the others.

I'm a huge Golden guy, as much as anyone on here, but I have to say, this was the first game where I was really disappointed in how his squad performed. Yeah, UM got blown out before but in the past, I didn't have much in terms of expectations. I can handle a loss to a great FSU team on the road, however, losing to a reeling Vatech squad at home when there is so much on the line, that's an entirely different story. For the first time this season, they looked unprepared and soft( they were anything but U-Tough on Saturday night). As Golden would say himself,'They didn't play like a bunch of Miami Hurricanes' or 'Protect the brand'

They flat out laid an egg and crapped the bed. It looked like the Coker units( when they quit on him) or a Shannon squad. Yeah, it rained, but both teams had to play in the same elements. But this team really looked unprepared in many ways and they got physically dominated upfront( the whole night, they couldn't hold the edge) and it was infuriating to see the crossing routes go basically uncovered time and time again.

And on offense, well, Franchise and I talked in the game day thread how in that particular game, running the ball( especially being down they way Miami was) in essence was wasting downs and they did a poor job of managing down and distance. I question Coley just as much as other question our defensive coordinator, I can't lie( and I've never been one to call for mass firings of assistant coaches week to week depending on the result)

Now, taking a deep breath, to me Coley and Burns' fumbles on back to back kicks reminded me of the old axiom that for every freshman you play, that's a loss. Those fumbles and the defenses inability to hold the fort were back-breakers. It is, what it is. These are the mistakes we'll have to live through as talented-but-green players are thrown out there.

I'm not panicking, Golden is the same guy to my slanted eyes as he was three weeks ago. I believe in this guy and his ability to lead but he's not infallible. But I've been through this before, Butch Davis, before his breakout 2000, had some horrible losses, blowouts to the Cuse, losses to East Carolina, etc, I'd like to believe I can see the trees through the forest

However, this Duke game is pretty **** big. This team can't let this season fall apart or 7-0 and all the good feelings will be a distant memory. There is still a chance to win double-digit games in the regular season( which hasn't been done since 2003, IIRC). I'll be dead honest, Im nervous as **** because Cutcliffe is a great coach and this Duke team is having a great year and it's on the road.

But yeah, Saturday night was a buzzkill.....

Peeps need to take notes. If you're going to ***** and complain, this is the way to do it.