In the immortal words of Ed Reed,'Im hurt dawg'...

[The Franchise]

After our performance last week, this Duke game is going to be very telling.

How about a cold weather game against Pitt, which is a team that improves throughout the year under Paul Cryst? Pitt just knocked off a pretty good ND team, and they've got a much better throwing game than VT.

They'll both be telling games. Let's sit back and see how they respond instead of jumping off the cliff after 1 concerning loss. Could you guys be proven correct, sure. However, Vinn comparing these to the Coker days is just dumb.

It might be 1 concerning loss so far this year (if you don't count getting drubbed by your number 1 rival as concerning), but it's several concerning performances and losses over the course of 3 years added to Corch Al's penchant for flopping at Temple when the chips were on the table.

 

[The Franchise]

After our performance last week, this Duke game is going to be very telling.

How about a cold weather game against Pitt, which is a team that improves throughout the year under Paul Cryst? Pitt just knocked off a pretty good ND team, and they've got a much better throwing game than VT.

How about a scrappy UVA team? They are reeling as of late but you know they'll give us a hard time.

If this year's UVAg team plays us close, then Corch Al should take a Ginsu knife and filet himself after the game. This year's UVAg team is way worse than last year's. One of the worst teams in FBS.

 

[The Franchise]

To be sitting here in year 3 & still worried about Duke, that speaks volumes about the program

It speaks volumes of where we were as a program 3 years ago moreso than where we are now.. If we had talent/depth across the board, then sure, we would roll.. As it is, if we leave Durham with a win our fans should all be thankful/happy. Instead, they'll start 100 more Fire Coach D threads, complain about the "scheme" & talk about the glory days. Well, these aren't the glory days.. The reality is that our best option at Safety is AJ Highsmith & that a career 3rd string DT transfer from UVa is good enough to start. Duke isn't a bad football team. They aren't lucky to be sitting at 7-2.. In fact, they are one awful game (where they lost to Pitt by 3 after losing TO battle 4-0) away from being 8-1. This "We are Miami & they are Duke" entitlement attitude is tiresome. Ask UNC/Duke basketball about how that worked out for them last year.

So Duke has talent and depth across the board that we don't? Really? Are you saying that in year 3 we can't rightfully ask Golden and staff to go into Duke and beat them?

As for AJ Highsmith, has he not been coached by Al and staff for 3 years now? Is that asking too much for our coach to make them better than they were 3 years ago? I realize AJ isn't going to be Sean Taylor, but after 3 years with the staff I'd like to think they could get hom to play better than Elizabeth Taylor. Same with Jimmy Gaines, Morris and the other seniors. 3 years now and where is the development? Morris won the Manning passing academy camp, but he was being coached and tutored by folks not on Al's staff. Pretty telling.

I readily acknowledge that our roster isn't the greatest .But it is top to bottom waaaaaay better than Duke and Wake and the other also rans. The only reason I am concerned about Duke is because of our coaches. I think if we let our kids play aggressive attacking ball, our kids beat their kids 9 out of 10 times.

I think the better question is if AJ is as bad and physically incapable as we know he is, then why haven't they been able to corch up Carter to get him out there?

 

[Big Sky Cane]

After our performance last week, this Duke game is going to be very telling.

How about a cold weather game against Pitt, which is a team that improves throughout the year under Paul Cryst? Pitt just knocked off a pretty good ND team, and they've got a much better throwing game than VT.

They'll both be telling games. Let's sit back and see how they respond instead of jumping off the cliff after 1 concerning loss. Could you guys be proven correct, sure. However, Vinn comparing these to the Coker days is just dumb.

My comparison is with the fan base. Going back to the grassy days where one had to pledge allegiance to Coker or be scorned and scolded. Much the same is happening now with Golden. We see the mediocre reuslts with our eyes, but yet phools are telling us not to be worried. Bullchit

Fortunately Vinn I was on the good side in the Coker & Shannon debate. I was against those hire since the very beginning (especially the Coker extention). I'm just on the opposite side of you guys in this debate. If you can't tell that Golden is 1000% the Head Coach Coker and Shannon are then I don't know what to say.

Like I said in previous threads, everyone outside of Meyer and Saban are corches in this boards eyes. Franchise has man love for Petrino (who has serious flaws). Golden has built up plenty house $$ in my eyes, so I'm far from jumping off his wagon. He has WAY to many positive qualities and attributes to give up on at this point. Are there issues with the team, of course, even a blind man can see that.

 

[L A M P]

I readily acknowledge that our roster isn't the greatest .But it is top to bottom waaaaaay better than Duke and Wake and the other also rans. I think if we let our kids play aggressive attacking ball, our kids beat their kids 9 out of 10 times.

I won't speculate about the attacking the ball part.. It can't be proven one way or the other (even if I might agree with you). I disagree about the waaaaaaayyy better roster. Higher ceiling talent perhaps.. but not more developed/experienced. A large majority of our best players are underclassmen. Despite what some may think, that matters a lot. (See: Bill Snyder teams) I don't blame anyone calling for a new DC.. I wouldn't even be opposed to a new scheme on D. However I think it is absurd to hit the panic button on AG this early over 1 bad game played in a monsoon without our best player. Give him a chance to fix what isn't working.

 

[The Franchise]

After our performance last week, this Duke game is going to be very telling.

How about a cold weather game against Pitt, which is a team that improves throughout the year under Paul Cryst? Pitt just knocked off a pretty good ND team, and they've got a much better throwing game than VT.

They'll both be telling games. Let's sit back and see how they respond instead of jumping off the cliff after 1 concerning loss. Could you guys be proven correct, sure. However, Vinn comparing these to the Coker days is just dumb.

My comparison is with the fan base. Going back to the grassy days where one had to pledge allegiance to Coker or be scorned and scolded. Much the same is happening now with Golden. We see the mediocre reuslts with our eyes, but yet phools are telling us not to be worried. Bullchit

Fortunately Vinn I was on the good side in the Coker & Shannon debate. I was against those hire since the very beginning (especially the Coker extention). I'm just on the opposite side of you guys in this debate. If you can't tell that Golden is 1000% the Head Coach Coker and Shannon are then I don't know what to say.

Like I said in previous threads, everyone outside of Meyer and Saban are corches in this boards eyes. Franchise has man love for Petrino (who has serious flaws). Golden has built up plenty house $$ in my eyes, so I'm far from jumping off his wagon. He has WAY to many positive qualities and attributes to give up on at this point. Are there issues with the team, of course, even a blind man can see that.

What are Petrino's flaws other than him being a d1ck? The guy would win 11 or 12 every year here.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

What are Petrino's flaws other than him being a d1ck? The guy would win 11 or 12 every year here.

Severe character flaws. I agree he is a solid football guy.

 

[rok]

How about a cold weather game against Pitt, which is a team that improves throughout the year under Paul Cryst? Pitt just knocked off a pretty good ND team, and they've got a much better throwing game than VT.

They'll both be telling games. Let's sit back and see how they respond instead of jumping off the cliff after 1 concerning loss. Could you guys be proven correct, sure. However, Vinn comparing these to the Coker days is just dumb.

My comparison is with the fan base. Going back to the grassy days where one had to pledge allegiance to Coker or be scorned and scolded. Much the same is happening now with Golden. We see the mediocre reuslts with our eyes, but yet phools are telling us not to be worried. Bullchit

Fortunately Vinn I was on the good side in the Coker & Shannon debate. I was against those hire since the very beginning (especially the Coker extention). I'm just on the opposite side of you guys in this debate. If you can't tell that Golden is 1000% the Head Coach Coker and Shannon are then I don't know what to say.

Like I said in previous threads, everyone outside of Meyer and Saban are corches in this boards eyes. Franchise has man love for Petrino (who has serious flaws). Golden has built up plenty house $$ in my eyes, so I'm far from jumping off his wagon. He has WAY to many positive qualities and attributes to give up on at this point. Are there issues with the team, of course, even a blind man can see that.

What are Petrino's flaws other than him being a d1ck? The guy would win 11 or 12 every year here.

Being a bad person cannot be considered a flaw in a football coach

 

[VinnDogg]

After our performance last week, this Duke game is going to be very telling.

How about a cold weather game against Pitt, which is a team that improves throughout the year under Paul Cryst? Pitt just knocked off a pretty good ND team, and they've got a much better throwing game than VT.

They'll both be telling games. Let's sit back and see how they respond instead of jumping off the cliff after 1 concerning loss. Could you guys be proven correct, sure. However, Vinn comparing these to the Coker days is just dumb.

My comparison is with the fan base. Going back to the grassy days where one had to pledge allegiance to Coker or be scorned and scolded. Much the same is happening now with Golden. We see the mediocre reuslts with our eyes, but yet phools are telling us not to be worried. Bullchit

Fortunately Vinn I was on the good side in the Coker & Shannon debate. I was against those hire since the very beginning (especially the Coker extention). I'm just on the opposite side of you guys in this debate. If you can't tell that Golden is 1000% the Head Coach Coker and Shannon are then I don't know what to say.

Like I said in previous threads, everyone outside of Meyer and Saban are corches in this boards eyes. Franchise has man love for Petrino (who has serious flaws). Golden has built up plenty house $$ in my eyes, so I'm far from jumping off his wagon. He has WAY to many positive qualities and attributes to give up on at this point. Are there issues with the team, of course, even a blind man can see that.

Golden is a good guy. Golden is a positive guy. Golden is a good recruiter.

Golden is not an X's and O's guru
Golden is not a good gameday coach
Golden has not been good at player developement

Now ask yourself, out of the three pro's and con's, which do you prefer our coach to have?

IMO, case closed.

 

[DutchieFlair]

IMHO Golden's CEO credentials are in question, now seeing as that i believe he's a smart guy he either rectifies it or we are stuck playing September Bowl Games yet again for a third administration running. Franchise mentioned that it's never ever ever a good sign when CEO's start scapegoating underlings but man D'Onofrio has go to either be allowed to run his Defense or Al has to get him the fuhk up outta here and allow the next DC to run his scheme. Coley seems to be another subpar hire. What we have to my untrained eyes is a staff full of recruiters and we all know how that works out in the end don't we?!?!

 

[kendallcanes]

People just need to let this year play out and stop whining. If you have been on a football team you know. The season is a grind and the toughest games mentally for a team is the game after losing a rivalry game or first loss of the year. We had both in one game. We are not at the talent level yet to overcome these types of REBOUND games where we are not in it mentally, and turn it over 3 times.

Yeah it sucks, but I think we are getting very close to where we want to be, have great recruiting classes coming in, and the NCAA cloud is over. I ain't hurting. I ain't hurting at all. The future is bright.

 

[The Franchise]

They'll both be telling games. Let's sit back and see how they respond instead of jumping off the cliff after 1 concerning loss. Could you guys be proven correct, sure. However, Vinn comparing these to the Coker days is just dumb.

My comparison is with the fan base. Going back to the grassy days where one had to pledge allegiance to Coker or be scorned and scolded. Much the same is happening now with Golden. We see the mediocre reuslts with our eyes, but yet phools are telling us not to be worried. Bullchit

Fortunately Vinn I was on the good side in the Coker & Shannon debate. I was against those hire since the very beginning (especially the Coker extention). I'm just on the opposite side of you guys in this debate. If you can't tell that Golden is 1000% the Head Coach Coker and Shannon are then I don't know what to say.

Like I said in previous threads, everyone outside of Meyer and Saban are corches in this boards eyes. Franchise has man love for Petrino (who has serious flaws). Golden has built up plenty house $$ in my eyes, so I'm far from jumping off his wagon. He has WAY to many positive qualities and attributes to give up on at this point. Are there issues with the team, of course, even a blind man can see that.

What are Petrino's flaws other than him being a d1ck? The guy would win 11 or 12 every year here.

Being a bad person cannot be considered a flaw in a football coach

I agree.

 

[88]

Confucius says, "on the journey to the mountain top, not all steps are forward. "

Confucius say, "Defense that don't provide any resistance not really a defense."

Sun Tzu say, “Invincibility lies in the defense; the possibility of victory in the Attack."

 

[L A M P]

Golden has not been good at player developement.

Just because Morris regressed one season (with a bum ankle) doesn't mean AG can't develop players. Look at what he did with RS guys: Jacory Harris, Tommy Streeter, Davon Johnson, Kendal Thompkins, Brandon McGee, Ben Jones, Dyron Dye, etc... Most of these guys couldn't hold a clipboard when AG arrived & they ended up being very serviceable. If anything, I would say AG is as good as anyone in the business at player development.

 

[rok]

AG never coached Hank or DVD

 

[L A M P]

AG never coached Hank or DVD

Never said that he did.

But seriously, just was naming players that improved late... Didn't help my cause there. Touche rok.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Golden is a good guy. Golden is a positive guy. Golden is a good recruiter.

Golden is not an X's and O's guru
Golden is not a good gameday coach
Golden has not been good at player developement

Now ask yourself, out of the three pro's and con's, which do you prefer our coach to have?

IMO, case closed.

Golden is not an X's and O's guru- Disagree. Golden know's X's & O's just fine. In fact he could probably step in for any position coach, off. coord./def. coord./spec. teams and do admirably. I've watched/read several of his coaching clinics (offensive gameplanning/scheme, etc)....dude knows what he wants to get done. He's not just a "program manager" that lets his coordinators do what they want. He's been taught and mentored by some of the most innovative minds in the business. Now if it's his off. & def. philosophy you disagree with, then that might be up for grabs.

Golden is not a good game day coach- Overused term. He is a great game manager. Usually has his timeouts left at the end of half/game? Again, if it's his off./def. philosophy you disagree with....fine.

Golden has not been good at player development- Wrong. He's done an outstanding job at player development. Just ask NFL execs. His players are undoubtedly ready for the next level. ****.....he even transformed many of Randy's players into NFL caliber. He developed numbers of NFL players @ TEMPLE. That is just an incorrect statement and actually I think it's one of his strengths.

I do have one legitimate concern. Golden consistently preaches discipline (turnovers, penalties, etc.), however, something isn't hitting home. We are extremely sloppy with the ball and I'm one to blame coaching when turnovers are involved. You either coach it or allow it to happen. It needs to change.

 

[VinnDogg]

Golden has not been good at player developement.

Just because Morris regressed one season (with a bum ankle) doesn't mean AG can't develop players. Look at what he did with RS guys: Jacory Harris, Tommy Streeter, Davon Johnson, Kendal Thompkins, Brandon McGee, Ben Jones, Dyron Dye, etc... Most of these guys couldn't hold a clipboard when AG arrived & they ended up being very serviceable. If anything, I would say AG is as good as anyone in the business at player development.

If you truly feel that way then I will bow out of further debates with you. Ben Jones, really man? Care to offer up any of his own recruits that have been here 3 years and have gotten significantly better each year? Perryman seems to be regressing, no other LB on the entire roster has been coached up to a decent level. Don't even talk to me about safeties.

I hope you are trolling. If not, you have entered zone and DBC homer territory.

 

[VinnDogg]

Golden is a good guy. Golden is a positive guy. Golden is a good recruiter.

Golden is not an X's and O's guru
Golden is not a good gameday coach
Golden has not been good at player developement

Now ask yourself, out of the three pro's and con's, which do you prefer our coach to have?

IMO, case closed.

Golden is not an X's and O's guru- Disagree. Golden know's X's & O's just fine. In fact he could probably step in for any position coach, off. coord./def. coord./spec. teams and do admirably. I've watched/read several of his coaching clinics (offensive gameplanning/scheme, etc)....dude knows what he wants to get done. He's not just a "program manager" that lets his coordinators do what they want. He's been taught and mentored by some of the most innovative minds in the business. Now if it's his off. & def. philosophy you disagree with, then that might be up for grabs.

Golden is not a good game day coach- Overused term. He is a great game manager. Usually has his timeouts left at the end of half/game? Again, if it's his off./def. philosophy you disagree with....fine.

Golden has not been good at player development- Wrong. He's done an outstanding job at player development. Just ask NFL execs. His players are undoubtedly ready for the next level. ****.....he even transformed many of Randy's players into NFL caliber. He developed numbers of NFL players @ TEMPLE. That is just an incorrect statement and actually I think it's one of his strengths.

I do have one legitimate concern. Golden consistently preaches discipline (turnovers, penalties, etc.), however, something isn't hitting home. We are extremely sloppy with the ball and I'm one to blame coaching when turnovers are involved. You either coach it or allow it to happen. It needs to change.

Yikes. That post is full of orange and green blotches it is hard on my eyes.

 

[Canes2082]

Niner, how can you say with one sentence you firmly believe that Golden is the man that will lead us back and then say this-

I'll be dead honest, Im nervous as **** because Cutcliffe is a great coach and this Duke team is having a great year and it's on the road.

To be sitting here in year 3 and still worried about Duke, well that speaks volumes about the entire program(i.e. head coach) and not just the coordinators.

I said before the season started that my evaluation wouldn't be based entirely on W-L. One of my expectations was to curbstomp the teams we should be. So far(UNC, GT, WAKE) we have failed. Duke falls into that category. We are all rightfully worried about not just losing to Duke, but the real possibility of us getting curbstomped.

Come on man, the big picture is coming into view. I was at the VT game and like most of us who were there it was like watching a movie where we all knew the ending. It was that familiar. I can see the line of demarcation taking place much like the Coker years, either for or against.

There is room on the right side for an intelligent, objective person such as yourself.

never thought we should have curb stomped UNC however I expected us to win the game and not in the fashion we did or had too