forums

If anyone says Cam Ward is not the hands down Heisman leader

Advertisement
it's going to come down to stats (jeanty) or signature wins / importance (ward)

if we win out and win ACC i think ward wins it (as long as he plays like today with little to no turnovers)

will help if boise drops another game
 
brock said:
2 player race with ward and jeanty . Travis hunter is not a factor imo. Yeah he’s good but just a bit overhyped. He’s not an elite receiver but a good one . Might be a better db than receiver honestly
Click to expand...
Hunter is projected to get drafted as a DB, right? I thought I read that he wasn’t really being considered as a WR in the NFL, but I could be mistaken.
 
Advertisement
I mean I'm not gunna hate on anyone saying Jeanty when he's on pace to brake Barry Sanders' records and is currently sitting at 1,250 yards, 17 TDs, on 10 y/c in just 6 ******* games (210 y/g and almost 3tds/g)... and in their most difficult game against Oregon who just beat tOSU, he had 192 yards and 3 TDs... He's pretty ******* elite.

But Ward imo should clearly get it over Hunter. Hunter is an elite player, but aside from playing both ways, it's not like he's actually performing at some incredible level on either side. In Colorado's last 3 games he has 132 Receiving yards and 1 TD. Sam Brown had that today lol.

This is a 2 person race between Jeanty and Ward. Honestly Dillon Gabriel may have a better shot at the end of the season than Travis Hunter imo.
 
Advertisement
Angry Ibis said:
Yelling at clouds. No one here is arguing against Cam. Travis Hunter would start here and play both sides of the ball. Boise kid is a stud.

Enjoy the race and keep winning
Click to expand...
Im not just talking to people "in here". I clearly said anyone!
 
407cane said:
it's going to come down to stats (jeanty) or signature wins / importance (ward)

if we win out and win ACC i think ward wins it (as long as he plays like today with little to no turnovers)

will help if boise drops another game
Click to expand...
I understand the hype Jeanty is getting because of the numbers he's putting up. Just seems a bit odd the amount of hype he is getting compared to guys who have broken the passing yards in a season record while also playing for Group of 5 teams. Does anyone remember people getting on the Bailey Zappe bandwagon in 2021? lol
 
CaneinBroward said:
I understand the hype Jeanty is getting because of the numbers he's putting up. Just seems a bit odd the amount of hype he is getting compared to guys who have broken the passing yards in a season record while also playing for Group of 5 teams. Does anyone remember people getting on the Bailey Zappe bandwagon in 2021? lol
Click to expand...
Passing Yards in a season isn't close to as difficult as breaking the Rushing Yards in a season record
1729385905016.png
VS:
1729385959832.png

Which is more impressive company/Seasons in CFB history?
 
Advertisement
Calinative said:
Passing Yards in a season isn't close to as difficult as breaking the Rushing Yards in a season record
View attachment 307861 VS: View attachment 307862
Which is more impressive company/Seasons in CFB history?
Click to expand...
Yeah, the guys on the RB list are mostly from traditional powers. Still, why is Jeanty getting this level of hype against Group of 5 competition? I don't recall Kevin Smith or Rashaad Penny getting the Heisman love.

He may very well win the Heisman because of one game - Oregon. Detmer was the last "small school" guy to win the Heisman and he probably won his because of his game against Miami, but at least Detmer's school won that game.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Yeah, the guys on the RB list are mostly from traditional powers. Still, why is Jeanty getting this level of hype against Group of 5 competition? I don't recall Kevin Smith or Rashaad Penny getting the Heisman love.

He may very well win the Heisman because of one game - Oregon. Detmer was the last "small school" guy to win the Heisman and he probably won his because of his game against Miami, but at least Detmer's school won that game.
Click to expand...
The Oregon game is where the hype kicked in. They loaded the box and was even worried about the passing game and he still went crazy. I’m all Cam for Heisman but Jeanty deserves the hype.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Yeah, the guys on the RB list are mostly from traditional powers. Still, why is Jeanty getting this level of hype against Group of 5 competition? I don't recall Kevin Smith or Rashaad Penny getting the Heisman love.

He may very well win the Heisman because of one game - Oregon. Detmer was the last "small school" guy to win the Heisman and he probably won his because of his game against Miami, but at least Detmer's school won that game.
Click to expand...
I think it’s just the sheer video game type numbers. He deserves the Maxwell, but quality of competition has to matter. It just has to matter.
 
Advertisement
Cam is currently on pace to finish the regular season with:

4,350 Yards, 41 TDs, 9 INTs, on 468 Attempts and 5 Rush TDs. 10.18 Adjusted Y/A, 8.76 TD%

Last 5 Heisman Trophy Winners in the Regular Season:

Jayden Daniels: 3,812 Yards, 40 TDs, 4 INTs, on 327 Attempts!, and 10 Rush TDs. 13.55 Adjusted Y/A, 12.2% TD%.
Caleb Williams: 3,712 Yards, 34 TDs, 3 INTs, on 407 Attempts, and 10 Rush TDs. 10.50 Adjusted Y/A, 8.35% TD%.
Bryce Young: 3,901 Yards, 40 TDs, 4 INTs, on 418 Attempts, and 2 Rush TDs. 10.82 Adjusted Y/A, 9.60% TD%.
Joe Burrow: 4,366 Yards, 44 TDs, 6 INTs, on 401 Attempts, and 3 Rush TDs. 12.41 Adjusted Y/A, 10.97% TD%.
Kyler Murray: 3,674 Yards, 37 TDs, 7 INTs, on 306 Attempts!, and 11 Rush TDs. 13.40 Adjusted Y/A, 12.09% TD%.

So you can see Cam Ward is having an elite season, but is really only out-performing Caleb Williams' Heisman season to this point. He needs to increase his TD rate and decrease his INT rate over the next 5 games, to really make himself the runaway Heisman winner imo. Cause at this point he's unlikely to finish with fewer than 450 Attempts, which is far more than the other Heisman winners got. So his rate stats aren't likely to be as good tbh.
 
Calinative said:
Passing Yards in a season isn't close to as difficult as breaking the Rushing Yards in a season record
View attachment 307861 VS: View attachment 307862
Which is more impressive company/Seasons in CFB history?
Click to expand...
Barry Sanders' record is one that most believe is unbreakable. Especially in this era. RBs playing weak schedules, RBs in run heavy offenses, first round picks behind 5 NFL offensive linemen and future hall of famers.. none of them have gotten close to breaking it.

I don't think people realize how big of an accomplishment that would be. The odds of him actually breaking it are still extremely low. I don't think he'll get there. But if he does..? It'd be hard to vote against him.
 
Advertisement
Back
Top