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I’m starting to get the sense…

Genghis Cane said:
We won’t anything of significance if we don’t leave.

Plus, I’d rather play in the big-boys league than win championships a glorified G5 league. One matters and the other is irrelevant. It’s that simple to me.
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I hear what you're saying, but playing in Columbus, Ann Arbor, Madison, State College, East Lansing, etc in November is a recipe for disaster for these soft SFL divas
 
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SCarolina Ibis said:
I just took a look and ****..

ACC and Big 12 combined 5*:
ESPN: 2/20
Rivals: 1/28
On3: 0 - highest ranked player is #41
On3 composite: 0 - highest ranked player #31
247: 3/32
247 composite: 0/34

SEC/B1G combined 5*:
ESPN: 18/20
Rivals: 26/28
On3: 24/25
On3 composite: 31/32
247: 29/32
247 composite: 34/34

Notre Dame got 1 on Rivals, On3 and the On3 composite.

This is.. beyond bad.

And people think going to the Big 12 is the answer? That'd be like moving to the project next door and convincing yourself things are better.
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And lets be real ESPN, don't Rivals count...
 
This has been known over a decade or more.

In the four-team playoff era most five star and high-four star players were signing with the handful of teams that were regulars in the playoffs. Not 100% but a pretty **** high percentage.

Now that the Big 10 and the SEC have a near-lock on eight of 12 playoff spots they’re going to sign all or most those players and spread them out a bit amongst themselves.

Miami must get out of the ACC and into the BIG 10. There should be no question, just a matter of when and how much does it cost?

The ACC and the Big 12 are on the outside looking in and nothing will change. After this current CFP contract is up would not surprise me if the Big Ten and the SEC arrange their own postseason invitational tournament and that will be declared the national championship. Funded by ESPN and Fox.
 
NZ Cane said:
And lets be real ESPN, don't Rivals count...
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ESPN only handed out 5*'s to 20 recruits. One of them came from the ACC. It was S.J. Alofaituli, who's their 12th overall player.

As much as I like him, after I saw that it was hard to take the rest of their rankings seriously.
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
I am going to have to change my user name as I’m no longer batting 1.000. I have to admit I finally got something wrong.

I thought the 12 team playoff would help teams like Miami, because top recruits would see they don’t have to just go to Bama or UGA to be competitive for the playoffs and could pick a school they actually want to attend. I expected there to be a greater distribution of top talent and it would make cfb overall more competitive. Went exactly the opposite way. It would be interesting for someone to do an autopsy of recruiting season and explain how Miami could go from a top 5 class after a 7 win season to the #14 class after a 10 win season. I am not able to come up with an explanation.
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The real reason we aren't top 10 is b/c we signed 22 guys instead of 25-27. For some reason the recruiting sites take the total sum instead of focusing on the avg rating. I don't think last years class was truly top 5 other than we signed a lot of guys and artificially raised our total.

What does have people shook is that we whiffed on 5*s.

The way this playoff turned out though is going to make it harder to recruit for Miami.
 
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IbzRlz said:
I'm all for moving to the Big10 or SEC (prefer Big10), but considering we have never even won the ACC once, do you really believe we could compete for a Big10 or SEC championship? Honest question as I have serious doubts
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Just look at Texas, Oregon, SMU, and Arizona St this year making the conference championship in new conferences.

There were always 5 better teams and then 6-40 were all pretty much the same.
 
ssvir said:
Just look at Texas, Oregon, SMU, and Arizona St this year making the conference championship in new conferences.

There were always 5 better teams and then 6-40 were all pretty much the same.
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Oregon was in the PAC12 championship last year, Texas was in the BIG12 championship last year, and SMU was in the AAC championship last year. Only ASU came out of nowhere. Not really a good comparison IMO
 
Genghis Cane said:
The ACC lacks respect, money, and prestige.

It’s already treading water. We will not be able to compete if we don’t get out soon.

I don’t think people understand how significant this is.
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How GIF
 
IbzRlz said:
Oregon was in the PAC12 championship last year, Texas was in the BIG12 championship last year, and SMU was in the AAC championship last year. Only ASU came out of nowhere. Not really a good comparison IMO
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Its a great comparison. They all supposedly moved up in weight class and still performed the same/better.
 
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TemplarCane said:
This has been known over a decade or more.

In the four-team playoff era most five star and high-four star players were signing with the handful of teams that were regulars in the playoffs. Not 100% but a pretty **** high percentage.

Now that the Big 10 and the SEC have a near-lock on eight of 12 playoff spots they’re going to sign all or most those players and spread them out a bit amongst themselves.

Miami must get out of the ACC and into the BIG 10. There should be no question, just a matter of when and how much does it cost?

The ACC and the Big 12 are on the outside looking in and nothing will change. After this current CFP contract is up would not surprise me if the Big Ten and the SEC arrange their own postseason invitational tournament and that will be declared the national championship. Funded by ESPN and Fox.
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Miami has said they are very happy in ACC.
 
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IbzRlz said:
I'm all for moving to the Big10 or SEC (prefer Big10), but considering we have never even won the ACC once, do you really believe we could compete for a Big10 or SEC championship? Honest question as I have serious doubts
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But you can still get into the CFP without winning the conference. Look at Indiana with their schedule they lucked into a 1 loss season with a weak schedule and are locked in without beating anyone of significance all season. They did what they had to with their schedule but the one challenge they had they lost to OSU by a lot.
 
In the 2024 class it was like that too.

In 247 composite, only 7 of the 37 5*s signed with a non SEC/B1G school.

And Miami signed 3 of them.

The other 4 went to Colorado, Clemson (2), and Texas Tech.


2023 class was also the same.

5 5*s signed with non SEC/BIG teams.

Miami got 2 of them.
 
Genghis Cane said:
That ACC membership is a recruiting liability.

I’ve heard all of the other reasons/excuses as to why our class didn’t end up where we thought it would, but this seems to be a forgotten one.

There is no way SEC and B1G coaches aren’t telling blue-chip recruits that the ACC is a joke of a conference. They wouldn’t be doing their job if they weren’t. The narrative is forming and people will soon think of the ACC and Big 12 as closer to the G5 than the Power 2.

Every single 5-star prospect signed with an SEC or B1G program and that’s not a coincidence. With each passing year, it’s going to get harder for Mario to recruit, no matter how well he does on the field.

We have to get the **** out of this conference before we drift off into complete irrelevancy.
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The ACC has become a liability in recruiting. FSU doesn't get in and Alabama gets in with 3 losses. We either go 13-0 to eliminate bias or continue to miss out. Look at where the 5 star recruits choose to play. Not sure Miami gets into the SEC but the B1G would be a huge move for recruiting. We have lost out to Ohio State for the top WR in Florida how many years in a row? Play for Miami, your hometown and beat Ohio State every year! Problem is, it's beyond reasoning that Miami hasn't won 1 freaking ACC Championship.
 
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Anyone that attempts to argue with the premise of this thread is clueless when it comes to the current landscape of CFB.

The issue is…..how the F do we get out?
 
Jedi Master Cane said:
Anyone that attempts to argue with the premise of this thread is clueless when it comes to the current landscape of CFB.

The issue is…..how the F do we get out?
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1) AAU certification (Canes certified in 2023)
2) B1G school support. You get votes when you aren't a lawsuit loud mouth. Miami AD is giving politically savvy answers.
3) Time. The closer the Canes are to 2036, the cheaper the buyout is.

Don't expect a B1G move for at least 5 years, unless some other crazy shift happens with the upcoming NCAA settlement.
 
Being in the ACC is one item in a litany of unique factors that make Miami a tough program to build.

Also doesn’t help when you can’t win it lol.
 
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