HS coaching talent moving to ATL

To provide another parallel, the number of people living in Carrollton is about 20% of the population of Carroll County. Carrollton High has about 1,800 students. There are 5 other Carroll County high schools, thus the percentage of schools in the county (total) would be 16% in City of Carrollton and 83% in Carroll County. But in terms of students, Carrollton High is about 30% of the student population of the whole county. So the tax base of that single-school district is somewhat watered down. And the only school comparable in size to Carrollton High is Villa Rica High, which can explain why Villa Rica has a lot of money to pay a head football coach.

As for places like Buford and Gainesville, I guarantee that the county tax base dwarfs the city tax base. I just used Carroll County and Carrollton because I am most familiar with that area and there is relative parity between the city tax base and the county tax base. But there's also a pretty healthy booster program with Carrollton High (see below) plus they used to rent the stadium to the University of West Georgia until recently.

So, yeah, Carrollton High has had access to a lot of money, not all because of being in a city school district.


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The salary is not paid by the booster club. That would be separate as the salary is reported to the state and the booster money is private. You are correct that those tax bases dwarf their city equivalent but those single school systems only have to pay one coach.

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Whether Bartow, Carroll, or Polk counties "call themselves Atlanta" or not, they are all benefiting from rising property values driven by Atlanta. For purposes of this discussion, they are Atlanta. I'll give you Floyd County, though.
They are not considered Metro Atlanta and at the very least it wouldn't be a reasonable statement to use those coaches salaries to argue that Metro ATL coaches are paid well.

City counties also have long football traditions where generations of families grow up rooting for the school. It just means more and those communities are willing to pay more.
 
Southwire has a lot of money. Obviously, a great football program and has always been. I went to Rome so a bit of rivals at this point.
Yeah I have a lot of respect for Rome and John Reid. Always been a class act team and coach. Even when they were beating our heads in with those teams led by Adam Anderson
 
They are not considered Metro Atlanta and at the very least it wouldn't be a reasonable statement to use those coaches salaries to argue that Metro ATL coaches are paid well.

City counties also have long football traditions where generations of families grow up rooting for the school. It just means more and those communities are willing to pay more.
This is correct. HS football in the single school/team is hugely important in the community. There is a tradition that the Cobb/Gwinnett schools are slowly gaining. It’s also much easier to provide perks to a coach when he’s at the only school in town vs. a district that has 12-15 schools.

Atlanta metro is obviously growing, but it’s a reach including some of these schools. Some are closer to Tenn and Ala border than to Atlanta.
 
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The sprawl is crazy. I moved to the north metro about 6 years ago and seeing the stickers continuously get put over the “Starting from $x00K” has been nuts. Places that were ******* barren just half a decade ago now popping up massive subdivisions with like 2000 homes where every house is over half a million, and you’re still an hour from the city.
There’s a subdivision near me (Cumming) that was in the $200s when I moved here in 2018, and people can’t find anything there under $700K now.
 
Darlington moved back, He's coaching at Deland now.
Coach D was my English teacher at Eustis High in 96. I learned alot about the wing T and identifying fronts and coverages. I remember watching vhs highlights of Ray Lewis who he coached at Lakeland when he was the OC. He also had a small disdain for Lamar Thomas if I recall something about coaching clinic. He was a Cane Hater for sure as was everyone else in the 352.
 
Not disputing you at all, but things must've really changed in the ATL metro. I lived in Tallahassee, but worked and had an apartment in ATL back in the late 90's/early 2000's and it was cheaper to buy a house in ATL than it was in Tally/Jacksonville. Homes in Cobb and Hendry were MUCH less expensive than most neigborhoods in Tally. For instance, a 1700 sqft home in my neighborhood back then was around $110K and I walked through a couple of new 3000 sqft homes in Hendry that were only $135K-$140K. As you mentioned, homeowner's insurance is also a lot more expensive in FL nowadays.

Homes in Florida are made of block and not wood so that also plays into the price of the home. And considering all the codes from Andrew it cost a lot more to build a home in FLA than GA.
 
Florida isn’t exactly known for spending money on public schools. Our schools barely have books, let alone money to pay coaches.

The only coaches making six figures here are the private school guys. There’s not a ton of those positions open.
No books just chromebooks.
 
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In Orange County I believe they receive a $3,500 stipend annually to be a HC. Added to whatever their salary is as a teacher, vice principal or dean of students.
It depends on years coaching and if they are endorsed or not.
1-3 yrs 4-6 yrs 7-14 yrs 15+
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I have a Central Florida coaching legend with over 300 wins on my staff, and he makes under $5500. Florida high school coaches get paid nothing compared to Georgia or Texas, but private schools are a whole other deal.
 
It depends on years coaching and if they are endorsed or not.
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I have a Central Florida coaching legend with over 300 wins on my staff, and he makes under $5500. Florida high school coaches get paid nothing compared to Georgia or Texas, but private schools are a whole other deal.
Coach Gierke? 👀
 
Homes in Florida are made of block and not wood so that also plays into the price of the home. And considering all the codes from Andrew it cost a lot more to build a home in FLA than GA.
True for central/south FL, which is where I grew up. I live in Tallahassee and my home is made just like the ones I saw in GA - wood and brick - and still way more expensive.
 
I attended a few Edgewater football games coached by Coach Cameron Duke, who replaced the disaster of a coach, Chris Leak. Coach Duke is a good coach and has had some talent to work with. He is not perfect, but definitely an upper tier football coach who didn’t win a state championship at Edgewater, but he made the state championship game a couple of times. I believe his dad was a coach at one time and used to attend some games.

It’s a great hire for Marietta. It’s not uncommon for Georgia to poach Florida coaches for a variety of reasons, such as higher pay, cheaper housing and a more welcoming community for their families. These reasons have already been detailed on this CIS post here. Duke isn’t the first to leave and he likely won’t be the last either.

However, fewer well paying jobs, gentrification and higher costs of living in Florida, we are also seeing changing demographics in areas that are fertile recruiting grounds for the Canes and other programs, especially urban areas like Miami. many high school athletes’ families are relocating to Georgia for better jobs, cheaper housing and a more receptive communities. Travis Hunter is a high-profile example of Florida-born talent families moving out of state (W Palm Beach) to Georgia (Suwanee). There are others too
Cam is great guy. I've known him since he was in college. He was born to be a coach. I believe he lost those state games to STA (public vs private...that's another debate)

His dad was staff at FSU under Bobby in some capacity.
 
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Imagine getting paid $2,000 while being undefeated against Georgia opponents throughout your career. 🤣

We're allotted 8 stipends here at Western. That's around $20,000 total...give or take.
Compare that to the staff at places like Buford (for example) where the staff is collectively getting $200k or more.

We always get into these state-vs-state debates... and this is a huge factor that we never talk about. When these cross-state battles take place, the Georgia team always has several advantages over their Florida opponent...particularly in regards to resources and coaching.

We (Florida coaches) can move up to Georgia and it would be easy peazy for us.
Georgia guys would pull all of their hair out by week 5 trying to coach HS ball down here. All the BS that we deal with...they'd be on the first plane back to GA.
 
He was a Cane Hater for sure as was everyone else in the 352.

He's an admin on a youth football coaching board that I used to frequent, and trust me, He doesn't hide His hate for the Canes. Don't know how Brandon Meriweather ended up here assuming He coached Him.
 
Imagine getting paid $2,000 while being undefeated against Georgia opponents throughout your career. 🤣

We're allotted 8 stipends here at Western. That's around $20,000 total...give or take.
Compare that to the staff at places like Buford (for example) where the staff is collectively getting $200k or more.

We always get into these state-vs-state debates... and this is a huge factor that we never talk about. When these cross-state battles take place, the Georgia team always has several advantages over their Florida opponent...particularly in regards to resources and coaching.

We (Florida coaches) can move up to Georgia and it would be easy peazy for us.
Georgia guys would pull all of their hair out by week 5 trying to coach HS ball down here. All the BS that we deal with...they'd be on the first plane back to GA.
I reckon it starts all the way down in Pop Warner too. What are the resources like down there in Florida for the younger kids?

I’m not sure what the coaches got paid (or if they did). But in my county here, for my 7-year old this past year, we probably spent almost $2K in total (about half was registration and all the fees), which blows my mind when I’m seeing what these Florida high school coaches get paid. Their equipment, uniforms, technology, etc., everything was very nice. Probably nicer than they deserved. I was surprised.

Is there any real grassroots movement or any campaigning to try to effect some change? Or is it all just talk right now?
 
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I reckon it starts all the way down in Pop Warner too. What are the resources like down there in Florida for the younger kids?

I’m not sure what the coaches got paid (or if they did). But in my county here, for my 7-year old this past year, we probably spent almost $2K in total (about half was registration and all the fees), which blows my mind when I’m seeing what these Florida high school coaches get paid. Their equipment, uniforms, technology, etc., everything was very nice. Probably nicer than they deserved. I was surprised.

Is there any real grassroots movement or any campaigning to try to effect some change? Or is it all just talk right now?
There's a group called Florida Coaches Coalition who has been working with legislators...I've heard that many of the legislators with school age children use private schools, so not sure how high, if at all, coach salaries will be on their agenda
 
There's a group called Florida Coaches Coalition who has been working with legislators...I've heard that many of the legislators with school age children use private schools, so not sure how high, if at all, coach salaries will be on their agenda
Interesting. And of course, the private schools may not use the same model anyway.
 
Florida Coaches Coalition brought light to this issue a few years ago. They had to go over the unions head and straight to Tallahassee cause the union don't give a **** about coaches.
Since then it's been gaining steam. Got a bunch of Florida college coaches to back us. Last year it was brought to the governor's attention. He didn't know how bad it was. He asked the FCC to crunch the numbers and get the info back to him ASAP. The governor is now backing a bill that would pay the coaches minimum wage for every hour they spend (after school) coaching their sport. (for an assistant HS football coach it tops out at 750 hours and a HC around 1500 hours x minimum wage)

After bringing the numbers to DeSantis it was discovered that it would only cost the state 120 million to pay coaches minimum wage statewide...out of a 32B dollar budget. (Peanuts)

They're voting on the bill in March.

I'm scheduled to speak at the FCC clinic in Orlando next weekend and supposedly there's gonna be a "big announcement"... so we'll see.
 
Florida Coaches Coalition brought light to this issue a few years ago. They had to go over the unions head and straight to Tallahassee cause the union don't give a **** about coaches.
Since then it's been gaining steam. Got a bunch of Florida college coaches to back us. Last year it was brought to the governor's attention. He didn't know how bad it was. He asked the FCC to crunch the numbers and get the info back to him ASAP. The governor is now backing a bill that would pay the coaches minimum wage for every hour they spend (after school) coaching their sport. (for an assistant HS football coach it tops out at 750 hours and a HC around 1500 hours x minimum wage)

After bringing the numbers to DeSantis it was discovered that it would only cost the state 120 million to pay coaches minimum wage statewide...out of a 32B dollar budget. (Peanuts)

They're voting on the bill in March.

I'm scheduled to speak at the FCC clinic in Orlando next weekend and supposedly there's gonna be a "big announcement"... so we'll see.
anytime i hear Republicans and helping people i get nervous because they only help big corporations. I hope they vote to help you guys out though.
 
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