How Safety position may look next year!

[LUcanesfan]

I say keep Crawford at RB for several reasons: 1) he's been a valuable asset at the position, 2) Duke may or may not be the same Duke next year and we need assurance at the position, 3) there is no guarantee that Yearby and/or Powell will be ready to contribute their FR year and may need to RS, 4) neither Cook or Sony are a given to come here, and 5) Crawford has been a safety here already and his speed is not Miami caliber.

I really want Gunter to play some safety next year. Given his size (6-2, 200), it might be a given that he'll play back there... I don't think he can start over Jenkins or Bush, but I feel he could do better than some of the guys we currently have.

 

[Consigliere]

JR-Jenkins, starter

JR-Bush, starter

SR-Fentress, just plug him in

SO-Carter, 2nd

FR-Lockley, 2nd, I would really like an update on him

FR-Gray, may not get in due to grades

FR-Mayes, S, CB

maybe: RL3, JUCO

I really think we need a JUCO Safety to come in next year and not a ok safety, we need the best JUCO safety in the JUCO ranks.
And from what someone said in another thread AG has his sights on 2 other Safeties, they are said to have us in there top 5.

Move Dallas Crawford back to safety and the depth is fixed.

1 deep Bush & Jenkins
2 deep Crawford & Carter

Then RB depth becomes a problem.

That robbing Peter to pay Paul.

2014 RB Scholarship Chart

Johnson (Jr.)
Edwards (So.)
Tucker (So.) FB
Yearby (Fr.)
Powell (Fr.)

(We lost EC)

IMO, if you sign another kid (Michel or Cook) the question you ask yourself is where can DC help the team the most? Also, right now DC is the main attraction at RB because of injuries and lack of quality. With Duke coming back and Yearby/Powell, does Crawford get the same playing time?

 

[rok]

Moving Dallas back to DB would be criminal.

Jenkins
Bush
Carter
Fentress
Ryheem of Locksley

Maybe move Hope and/or Lewis to safety since we already have a ton of CBs

 

[Consigliere]

Moving Dallas back to DB would be criminal.

Jenkins
Bush
Carter
Fentress
Ryheem of Locksley

Maybe move Hope and/or Lewis to safety since we already have a ton of CBs

Be honest, as is, how many carries is DC going to get with a healthy Duke, Edwards, Yearby and Powell? Now if we somehow add a Cook to the class (i.e. EE RB), what do you think of DC's carries?

I think Robin of Lockley will be TE but who knows.

I think Ray Lewis is currently at Safety (just redshirtting): http://www.hurricanesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208417268

 

[rok]

Considering Dallas is ahead of Edwards at this point, leads the team in rushing TDs, Duke's propensity for injury, and Yearby/Powell being true freshmen next year, I wouldn't move him. We do need help at safety. The thing to do now is go recruit some god **** safeties.

 

[miamifan007]

Most important name not on the list: Highsmith

Or Rodgers II.

 

[Consigliere]

Considering Dallas is ahead of Edwards at this point, leads the team in rushing TDs, Duke's propensity for injury, and Yearby/Powell being true freshmen next year, I wouldn't move him. We do need help at safety. The thing to do now is go recruit some god **** safeties.

I understand, what about if we get a 3rd RB in this class?

 

[dycane]

Jenkins gets hurt every game. Our depth there might be more frightening than our DL depth for next year. For anyone that thinks we improve on D next year is out of their mind.

I won't make anymore solid proclamations -- I learned my lesson. But I would be willing to bet that the defense is markedly better from a personnel standpoint. Assuming we get every dline recruit on board, those guys represent a significant upgrade as frosh. I think Chick moves inside. I think we have a couple of gazelles on the outside. Our secondary -- at least the starting unit -- will absolutely be better. No Rogers. No Highsmith. Burns (one of the two truly elite athletes on our team) with a year under his belt should be potentially scary. Howard taking the next step to All-ACC status. Bush needs to get back and Carter needs to emerge. In my opinion, LB will be the biggest unknown -- and in this scheme, the most important factor in our improvement. But overall, coaching aside, I don't see how we don't improve.

No. Just stop. It's november and we're already starting with the annual offseason overhype-athon of the incoming true freshmen. I don't know how many years we have to go through the same thing regarding incoming true freshmen but you can't rely on them to upgrade your team (outside a few positions, like wr or rb). True freshmen DL don't come right in and start kicking ***. Look at AQM this year. Everyone got their boners all worked up talking about him having all these sacks and terrorizing qbs. Meanwhile the guy is exactly what one should expect from a true freshmen, shows some talent and promise, but is mostly overmatched going against bigger more experienced players. In other words, not entirely ready. It'll be the same thing with the true freshmen on the DL next year. And the year after and every other year...forever.

The defense can be better next year due to new coaches but probably not due to personnel. We lose 5 of our top 8 on the 2 deep on the DL. We need to hope that the juco dl pans out and some of the other dl that didn't play this year, like hamilton can ball cause we're going to need them. Then we need to hope that guys like kirby and grace, who have played sparingly, can step in and play well. We need 2012 deon bush back, cause 2013 Bush looks like 2012 kacy rodgers and 20-any year aj highsmith. But most of all we need a new dc and new scheme otherwise I can guarantee you that our d will look eerily similar to this year and last.

F*ck off. I don't need to conform to any prevailing school of thought. I can think independently, thank you. And the personnel will be better. The post explicitly carved out the coaching factor -- that's been discussed ad naseum. On paper, this defense will be more talented. Upgrades in athleticism at safety, corner, and line.

Ha. Don't need to conform to any school of thought huh? That's like saying Dorito is a great defensive coordinator, then when people disagree with you, you tell them to fck off, I can think independently. It's been proven so many times that true freshmen dlinemen aren't ready that it's not debatable. So if that's what you're counting on for an upgrade next year, well you're going to be disappointed. I agree with you that the secondary will be better and it's possible that the front 7 is better but there are a lot of holes to fill there with guys that are largely unknowns, so who knows.

Well, wait, that's not what you came out of the blocks with…you said the defense will not be better because of the personnel. Be consistent, even when you're being stupid. It makes you look less stupid. And, stop using patently flawed analogies. It's so boring to come on here and have to deal with half wits. Saying that our personnel on paper will be better next year is nothing like saying Coach D is a great defensive coordinator. There is a legitimate basis to assert the former, which, ironically, you appear to concede. Lulz at you talking out of both sides of your mouth and trying to inconspicuously backtrack from your original condescension. After flat out dismissing me, you actually ended up conceding that the secondary will in fact be better and that the front 7 may possibly be better. By my count, that's 11 players (or three units) that either will or could be better next year according to you. And according to my crazy math, that covers the entire defense. Weird.

 

[rok]

Considering Dallas is ahead of Edwards at this point, leads the team in rushing TDs, Duke's propensity for injury, and Yearby/Powell being true freshmen next year, I wouldn't move him. We do need help at safety. The thing to do now is go recruit some god **** safeties.

I understand, what about if we get a 3rd RB in this class?

Then we redshirt at least one of them. As you can see I'm taking a hardline stance. Keep him at RB. He's only got two more years here. Let him do his thing on special teams and see how things shake out among he and all the other RBs.

 

[terdferguson]

I won't make anymore solid proclamations -- I learned my lesson. But I would be willing to bet that the defense is markedly better from a personnel standpoint. Assuming we get every dline recruit on board, those guys represent a significant upgrade as frosh. I think Chick moves inside. I think we have a couple of gazelles on the outside. Our secondary -- at least the starting unit -- will absolutely be better. No Rogers. No Highsmith. Burns (one of the two truly elite athletes on our team) with a year under his belt should be potentially scary. Howard taking the next step to All-ACC status. Bush needs to get back and Carter needs to emerge. In my opinion, LB will be the biggest unknown -- and in this scheme, the most important factor in our improvement. But overall, coaching aside, I don't see how we don't improve.

No. Just stop. It's november and we're already starting with the annual offseason overhype-athon of the incoming true freshmen. I don't know how many years we have to go through the same thing regarding incoming true freshmen but you can't rely on them to upgrade your team (outside a few positions, like wr or rb). True freshmen DL don't come right in and start kicking ***. Look at AQM this year. Everyone got their boners all worked up talking about him having all these sacks and terrorizing qbs. Meanwhile the guy is exactly what one should expect from a true freshmen, shows some talent and promise, but is mostly overmatched going against bigger more experienced players. In other words, not entirely ready. It'll be the same thing with the true freshmen on the DL next year. And the year after and every other year...forever.

The defense can be better next year due to new coaches but probably not due to personnel. We lose 5 of our top 8 on the 2 deep on the DL. We need to hope that the juco dl pans out and some of the other dl that didn't play this year, like hamilton can ball cause we're going to need them. Then we need to hope that guys like kirby and grace, who have played sparingly, can step in and play well. We need 2012 deon bush back, cause 2013 Bush looks like 2012 kacy rodgers and 20-any year aj highsmith. But most of all we need a new dc and new scheme otherwise I can guarantee you that our d will look eerily similar to this year and last.

F*ck off. I don't need to conform to any prevailing school of thought. I can think independently, thank you. And the personnel will be better. The post explicitly carved out the coaching factor -- that's been discussed ad naseum. On paper, this defense will be more talented. Upgrades in athleticism at safety, corner, and line.

Ha. Don't need to conform to any school of thought huh? That's like saying Dorito is a great defensive coordinator, then when people disagree with you, you tell them to fck off, I can think independently. It's been proven so many times that true freshmen dlinemen aren't ready that it's not debatable. So if that's what you're counting on for an upgrade next year, well you're going to be disappointed. I agree with you that the secondary will be better and it's possible that the front 7 is better but there are a lot of holes to fill there with guys that are largely unknowns, so who knows.

Well, wait, that's not what you came out of the blocks with…you said the defense will not be better because of the personnel. Be consistent, even when you're being stupid. It makes you look less stupid. And, stop using patently flawed analogies. It's so boring to come on here and have to deal with half wits. Saying that our personnel on paper will be better next year is nothing like saying Coach D is a great defensive coordinator. There is a legitimate basis to assert the former, which, ironically, you appear to concede. Lulz at you talking out of both sides of your mouth and trying to inconspicuously backtrack from your original condescension. After flat out dismissing me, you actually ended up conceding that the secondary will in fact be better and that the front 7 may possibly be better. By my count, that's 11 players (or three units) that either will or could be better next year according to you. And according to my crazy math, that covers the entire defense. Weird.

I never said the secondary wouldn't be better in my first post. I didn't talk about the secondary at all. I did outline in both posts how the front 7 has major holes and question marks. In my first post I said that the defense "probably won't be better due to personnel" and outlined why (losing a bunch of guys in the front 7 with unknowns coming in). In my second post I said that it's possible that the front 7 is better but....there are lot of holes to fill with unknowns, in other words, probably not. It's the same idea in both posts.

"Saying that our personnel on paper will be better next year is nothing like saying Coach D is a great defensive coordinator." Not what I said. Read it again. The comparison was between saying coach d is a great defensive coordinator and counting on true freshmen defensive lineman to upgrade the position.

"your original condescension"

You know what? I reread my original post and you're right. I was condescending and it was uncalled for. The unrealistic expectations of incoming true freshmen is a pet peeve of mine that's been getting me riled up for many years over at Grassy and now here. Not an excuse for condescension though.

 

[Consigliere]

Considering Dallas is ahead of Edwards at this point, leads the team in rushing TDs, Duke's propensity for injury, and Yearby/Powell being true freshmen next year, I wouldn't move him. We do need help at safety. The thing to do now is go recruit some god **** safeties.

I understand, what about if we get a 3rd RB in this class?

Then we redshirt at least one of them. As you can see I'm taking a hardline stance. Keep him at RB. He's only got two more years here. Let him do his thing on special teams and see how things shake out among he and all the other RBs.

I think he may help us most at Safety especially with at least 2 more RBs who are EE (Powell and Yearby).

 

[D.L.I.N.K.D.A.GR8]

dallas will move back over there..

I can actually see this and wouldnt be mad... He's a headhunter with good instincts and with the haul of RB's coming in it makes sense

He's also tiny. No thanks.

So is bob sanders and earl thomas but you see how that worked out

 

[AlexCane]

dallas will move back over there..

I can actually see this and wouldnt be mad... He's a headhunter with good instincts and with the haul of RB's coming in it makes sense

He's also tiny. No thanks.

So is bob sanders and earl thomas but you see how that worked out

Bob Sanders was also built like a mack truck. Crawford is "listed" on the official roster as 5'10" 194. AJ is too small and he's "listed" as 6'0" 208. I'm quoting listed because those numbers are inflated ... and when AJ is bigger than him, that's a good indication of Crawford's size in comparison to AJ. Crawford is more 5'9" 180-ish.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

If Tracy Howard doesn't line up off his receiver the first play of the game, there's no way he gets his pick six. That's the reason you line up that far off the receiver, so you can play with your body toward the line of scrimmage and make breaks on the football.

It's a MORE aggressive style not less, but you got idiots who want to play bump and run every down. There's pros and cons to that too but just know you create more turnovers this way.

 

[MIA42178]

Jenkins gets hurt every game. Our depth there might be more frightening than our DL depth for next year. For anyone that thinks we improve on D next year is out of their mind.

I won't make anymore solid proclamations -- I learned my lesson. But I would be willing to bet that the defense is markedly better from a personnel standpoint. Assuming we get every dline recruit on board, those guys represent a significant upgrade as frosh. I think Chick moves inside. I think we have a couple of gazelles on the outside. Our secondary -- at least the starting unit -- will absolutely be better. No Rogers. No Highsmith. Burns (one of the two truly elite athletes on our team) with a year under his belt should be potentially scary. Howard taking the next step to All-ACC status. Bush needs to get back and Carter needs to emerge. In my opinion, LB will be the biggest unknown -- and in this scheme, the most important factor in our improvement. But overall, coaching aside, I don't see how we don't improve.

No. Just stop. It's november and we're already starting with the annual offseason overhype-athon of the incoming true freshmen. I don't know how many years we have to go through the same thing regarding incoming true freshmen but you can't rely on them to upgrade your team (outside a few positions, like wr or rb). True freshmen DL don't come right in and start kicking ***. Look at AQM this year. Everyone got their boners all worked up talking about him having all these sacks and terrorizing qbs. Meanwhile the guy is exactly what one should expect from a true freshmen, shows some talent and promise, but is mostly overmatched going against bigger more experienced players. In other words, not entirely ready. It'll be the same thing with the true freshmen on the DL next year. And the year after and every other year...forever.

The defense can be better next year due to new coaches but probably not due to personnel. We lose 5 of our top 8 on the 2 deep on the DL. We need to hope that the juco dl pans out and some of the other dl that didn't play this year, like hamilton can ball cause we're going to need them. Then we need to hope that guys like kirby and grace, who have played sparingly, can step in and play well. We need 2012 deon bush back, cause 2013 Bush looks like 2012 kacy rodgers and 20-any year aj highsmith. But most of all we need a new dc and new scheme otherwise I can guarantee you that our d will look eerily similar to this year and last.

F*ck off. I don't need to conform to any prevailing school of thought. I can think independently, thank you. And the personnel will be better. The post explicitly carved out the coaching factor -- that's been discussed ad naseum. On paper, this defense will be more talented. Upgrades in athleticism at safety, corner, and line.

Actually hard to argue this. I agree.

We get
CB Howard
CB Gunter/Burns
S. Jenkins
S. Bush
Nickel Burns/Crawford

LB. Perryman (please Jesus)
LB. Fig
LB. Kirby
LB. Grace
LB/DE. McCord (?)

DE/4-3DT. Chick
DE AQM
DT Wyche
DT Valentine
DT/DE. Moten
DT. Moore
DT. Hamilton
DE. Kamalu

Prolly missing some.