How does Richt and staff overcome South Florida complexity?

[kryptonite]

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm not buying these stories about how all the top players wanted to come to Miami but al screwed it up. I don't doubt that al could have screwed it up, but these guys were never interested in Miami. Maybe it's money, or just that they grew up with us sucking, but the top kids aren't taking Miami seriously. Things look better with Richt, but we still aren't viewed as being as serious as bama and osu.

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Coker, Shannon, and Golden were all bad game-day coaches who couldn't motivate a stripper to get naked, among their other particularized failings. Kids don't want to play for bad coaches. But Golden was a particularly big fail. Look at 2013 and 2015 in particular: respectively, you had only five of 18 and eight of 22 signees from the Tri-County area. He'd get all these top recruits early on (at least partially as a hedge against getting fired) and then they'd commit elsewhere because of his ineptitude on Saturdays.

Don't lecture me about how bad al sucked, I remember vividly.

It's not personal, just calling it as I see it. You're not wrong with respect to this generation of kids not knowing firsthand how great we were in our prime, but the fact remains that we've been in decline and Golden poured gas on the fire.

Can't argue that al wasn't a huge contribute to where we are today, I just think people are over doing it. It's easy to blame al for everything, but it looks more and more like money is the issue from where I'm standing. We don't seem to be getting the crazy recruiting bump that say fsu got when they switched coaches. All the feedback from HS coaches and players is possitive, I think people really like and respect Richt and the staff and we all see the work they're putting in. But we don't seem to be flipping the kind of kids al couldn't touch or getting interest from the top 100 of so recruits, and I have to wonder why. I'm not saying our class won't be pretty good, and god knows we can cruise the coastal and compete for the ACC on what we've got, but at some point we have to start getting more 4* and some of the 5* kids if we want another NC. And I wonder if that can be done without a serious bag game.

 

[caneallday21]

South Florida recruiting has been far from a disappointment this year. Jeudy not comingssucks but Golden bit recruiting him from the jump puts you behind the 8 ball andthey barely missed iin the end and that's not on them in the end **** they put up a fight that nobody thought they could

 

[wudee]

didn't barely miss, jeudy & his coaches just made it seem like it to make sure he got all he wanted from bama

 

[AUcane]

It takes years to lay the ground work. This is the best coaching staff the U has had in the Last 15 years.
Amari cooper was never coming here, it was all about money.

yes and no. Look at Sony. Alf was recruiting him since the firggin 8th grade and the kid at the last minute bolted because he "liked Athens better". GTFOOH.

 

[TheSwagger1]

Skeptical it ever happens at this point. In most states you have family members and school communities fighting to keep the kid local and threatening awful things (grade problems, girlfriend problems, family problems) if they leave. In South Florida you have those same people pushing the kids the opposite direction. A lot of the things about the area that make the players such savages (rough upbringing, hustle "get mine" mentality, mercenary optimist/HS all-star teams) are also a big reason why they end up being savages somewhere else. Half these dumbasses continue throwing up a "305" while they play for teams like Florida State and Alabama. That says it all - they're not very bright and think loyalty is a hand sign or t-shirt.

 

[acento]

We can start by winning one, just ONE, meaningful ******* game in any given year. When was the last time we won a game that really mattered? Probably when kids like Jeudy were in 1st grade.

 

[TP801]

Skeptical it ever happens at this point. In most states you have family members and school communities fighting to keep the kid local and threatening awful things (grade problems, girlfriend problems, family problems) if they leave. In South Florida you have those same people pushing the kids the opposite direction. A lot of the things about the area that make the players such savages (rough upbringing, hustle "get mine" mentality, mercenary optimist/HS all-star teams) are also a big reason why they end up being savages somewhere else. Half these dumbasses continue throwing up a "305" while they play for teams like Florida State and Alabama. That says it all - they're not very bright and think loyalty is a hand sign or t-shirt.

Why should they be loyal? They owe nothing l anybody besides maybe their parents, and a few others

 

[CaneOil]

It's very simple...

In the streets you gotta pay like you weigh & to some of the Elite prospects, we looking kinda thin out here.

If this is the case then shut the program now. TimeBombs approach is more realistic.

I'd rather go after the programs that cheat, we all know who they are.

 

[kalinis]

richt is gonna change how players leave south florida, kids like pickney, Richards, and quarterman making freshman all American teams helps. kids today want to play early and win, with richt at Miami that can happen. at Georgia he had very few classes not rated in top 10 recruiting.

he knows how to evaluate and develop kids. just give him time. yr 3 is usually the year u see the rewards start to show. give the coach time to get his own players, he just won 8 games with a team guys like mandel of fox sports thought would be lucky to win 5, we have a much better staff then we have in years past, they know what they are doing

tom herman may win at texas right off bat but if he does its because of the talent Charlie strong brought there. some coaches get lucky like urban meyer at florida and have a team ready to win when take over talent wise and the coach who got fired was just an incompetent coach but great recruiter, that's not what happened here, golden was bad at both.

 

[TheSwagger1]

Skeptical it ever happens at this point. In most states you have family members and school communities fighting to keep the kid local and threatening awful things (grade problems, girlfriend problems, family problems) if they leave. In South Florida you have those same people pushing the kids the opposite direction. A lot of the things about the area that make the players such savages (rough upbringing, hustle "get mine" mentality, mercenary optimist/HS all-star teams) are also a big reason why they end up being savages somewhere else. Half these dumbasses continue throwing up a "305" while they play for teams like Florida State and Alabama. That says it all - they're not very bright and think loyalty is a hand sign or t-shirt.

Why should they be loyal? They owe nothing l anybody besides maybe their parents, and a few others

You have a bright future coaching Dade county football. Several have been able to parlay that into D1 gigs - at least for a short period of time. I wish you the best.

 

[252cane]

Not just a south florida problem its a state problem. Look at other states. Most of the top guys from georgia go to uga. A few might go to tenn or auburn, clemson and etc but most go to uga. Alabama top prospects go to bama or auburn. Louisiana and california are similar in that whoever lsu and usc want from instate they mostly get.

Florida is completely different. It seems guys are looking for a excuse to leave the state.

Here is a list of recruits from florida and you can look and see guys are all over the place.

2017 Top Florida Football Recruits

 

[marshallrc13]

Those other situations you mentioned are different. We are in Dade/Broward. We win and they stay period. Those other places don't have that luxury IMO. WIN and they will come and that's the bottom line.

 

[caneinpsl]

Skeptical it ever happens at this point. In most states you have family members and school communities fighting to keep the kid local and threatening awful things (grade problems, girlfriend problems, family problems) if they leave. In South Florida you have those same people pushing the kids the opposite direction. A lot of the things about the area that make the players such savages (rough upbringing, hustle "get mine" mentality, mercenary optimist/HS all-star teams) are also a big reason why they end up being savages somewhere else. Half these dumbasses continue throwing up a "305" while they play for teams like Florida State and Alabama. That says it all - they're not very bright and think loyalty is a hand sign or t-shirt.

Why should they be loyal? They owe nothing l anybody besides maybe their parents, and a few others

Then why flash the "305" when it means nothing like you claim? If that's their feeling it's ok, but then you aren't part of the "305". Your part of wherever you go. Hey, I can respect that. The 305 sure as heck ain't in Alabama. That's the home of Alabama Man!!!

 

[Dghustla]

In today's landscape it's about winning and putting up numbers and getting on kids super early. Kids want to play in a system they feel will put them on the national landscape and they want to play for winners. Also it can't be understated how critical building relationships with these kids at young age is. It's one of the reason Jimbo hit the ground running when he took over at FSU. He already had developed pipelines during the years he was OC selling kids that they would be his guys when he became HC.

There is so much media coverage and hype surrounding these kids and being that they are young they simply don't know how to separate the truth from a sales pitch. Many of them fall for the predatory practices of Urban Myer.

Props to a kid like Juedy who went about his recruitment in a business type fashion. Most of the kids love the attention.

I feel as though our recruting will change under Richt for the better. If you start recruting a kid in his Jr. year you are late to the party. He's planting seeds now so that kids are already associating themselves as "Miami" kids. But winning is the most important thing. The narrative surrounding this program would change dramatically if we could make it to an ACC champ game.

 

[Dghustla]

Skeptical it ever happens at this point. In most states you have family members and school communities fighting to keep the kid local and threatening awful things (grade problems, girlfriend problems, family problems) if they leave. In South Florida you have those same people pushing the kids the opposite direction. A lot of the things about the area that make the players such savages (rough upbringing, hustle "get mine" mentality, mercenary optimist/HS all-star teams) are also a big reason why they end up being savages somewhere else. Half these dumbasses continue throwing up a "305" while they play for teams like Florida State and Alabama. That says it all - they're not very bright and think loyalty is a hand sign or t-shirt.

Why should they be loyal? They owe nothing l anybody besides maybe their parents, and a few others

Then why flash the "305" when it means nothing like you claim? If that's their feeling it's ok, but then you aren't part of the "305". Your part of wherever you go. Hey, I can respect that. The 305 sure as heck ain't in Alabama. That's the home of Alabama Man!!!

Just becuase you leave Miami doesn't mean you aren't "MIAMI" anymore. Miami is the city where these kids grew up and they can and should rep that no matter where they are at.

Now if they are flashing the U and not playing for the U that is a different story.

 

[caneinpsl]

Skeptical it ever happens at this point. In most states you have family members and school communities fighting to keep the kid local and threatening awful things (grade problems, girlfriend problems, family problems) if they leave. In South Florida you have those same people pushing the kids the opposite direction. A lot of the things about the area that make the players such savages (rough upbringing, hustle "get mine" mentality, mercenary optimist/HS all-star teams) are also a big reason why they end up being savages somewhere else. Half these dumbasses continue throwing up a "305" while they play for teams like Florida State and Alabama. That says it all - they're not very bright and think loyalty is a hand sign or t-shirt.

Why should they be loyal? They owe nothing l anybody besides maybe their parents, and a few others

Then why flash the "305" when it means nothing like you claim? If that's their feeling it's ok, but then you aren't part of the "305". Your part of wherever you go. Hey, I can respect that. The 305 sure as heck ain't in Alabama. That's the home of Alabama Man!!!

Just becuase you leave Miami doesn't mean you aren't "MIAMI" anymore. Miami is the city where these kids grew up and they can and should rep that no matter where they are at.

Now if they are flashing the U and not playing for the U that is a different story.

No. If you go to Alabama, your repping Alabama. I get they are from here and all, but they are no longer repping S. Fla. They are doing their good on behalf of another place. It's Alabama pride. Both for the school and the region. I get what you are saying though. Divorcing "The U" from South Florida. But honestly is that really in the best interest of "the 305"? And if the best interests of "the 305" don't matter to you are you really repping your hometown?

 

[simplycanes]

Skeptical it ever happens at this point. In most states you have family members and school communities fighting to keep the kid local and threatening awful things (grade problems, girlfriend problems, family problems) if they leave. In South Florida you have those same people pushing the kids the opposite direction. A lot of the things about the area that make the players such savages (rough upbringing, hustle "get mine" mentality, mercenary optimist/HS all-star teams) are also a big reason why they end up being savages somewhere else. Half these dumbasses continue throwing up a "305" while they play for teams like Florida State and Alabama. That says it all - they're not very bright and think loyalty is a hand sign or t-shirt.

Why should they be loyal? They owe nothing l anybody besides maybe their parents, and a few others

Dade County football is what it is, and they have the opportunities they do because of the University of Miami. Their handlers and coaches are capitalizing on them by selling access to them from abroad. They don't personally owe anyone anything so in that sense you're correct, but they've bought into that mentality for the wrong reasons. Watch Catholic vs. Convicts 30 for 30. ND was the model of who you were supposed to be in CFB America, UM was Dade County, it was flashing the 305 more than these kids today could ever handle. The University of Miami was the only place where that was OK. That's the problem.

 

[westcoastcanes]

This "it takes years of building relationships" is a load of bull **** that people need to stop spewing.

New coaches come into jobs and have a great first recruiting class all the ******* time.

 

[kalinis]

for the record Miami is never gonna get every 4 or 5 star in south florida its never gonna happen never has. what is happening is richt is starting to get more of them then previous staffs. he actually recruits most of his kids south florida. goldens last 2 classes had what 15 guys from south florida out of what 40, that's just bad

the truth is this staff is already doing better then the last 2, and they will only get better then longer they are here building relationships and making the connections they need to make.

Miami will start to get most of the 4 and 5 stars they want watch , its gonna happen , richt will make Miami relevant again and make them 10 game winners when that starts kids will be lining up to come here.

 

[Rellyrell]

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm not buying these stories about how all the top players wanted to come to Miami but al screwed it up. I don't doubt that al could have screwed it up, but these guys were never interested in Miami. Maybe it's money, or just that they grew up with us sucking, but the top kids aren't taking Miami seriously. Things look better with Richt, but we still aren't viewed as being as serious as bama and osu.

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Coker, Shannon, and Golden were all bad game-day coaches who couldn't motivate a stripper to get naked, among their other particularized failings. Kids don't want to play for bad coaches. But Golden was a particularly big fail. Look at 2013 and 2015 in particular: respectively, you had only five of 18 and eight of 22 signees from the Tri-County area. He'd get all these top recruits early on (at least partially as a hedge against getting fired) and then they'd commit elsewhere because of his ineptitude on Saturdays.

Don't lecture me about how bad al sucked, I remember vividly.

It's not personal, just calling it as I see it. You're not wrong with respect to this generation of kids not knowing firsthand how great we were in our prime, but the fact remains that we've been in decline and Golden poured gas on the fire.

Can't argue that al wasn't a huge contribute to where we are today, I just think people are over doing it. It's easy to blame al for everything, but it looks more and more like money is the issue from where I'm standing. We don't seem to be getting the crazy recruiting bump that say fsu got when they switched coaches. All the feedback from HS coaches and players is possitive, I think people really like and respect Richt and the staff and we all see the work they're putting in. But we don't seem to be flipping the kind of kids al couldn't touch or getting interest from the top 100 of so recruits, and I have to wonder why. I'm not saying our class won't be pretty good, and god knows we can cruise the coastal and compete for the ACC on what we've got, but at some point we have to start getting more 4* and some of the 5* kids if we want another NC. And I wonder if that can be done without a serious bag game.

I need to put things in perspective [MENTION=6001]kryptonite[/MENTION]...you're my guy, but I want you to follow your boy really quick:

-FSU recruiting bump: Jimbo took over a program coached by a legendary coach, who won two national titles. Even though that last National Title came in 1999, FSU was still winning the mediocre ACC Atlantic (at that time) and was limping into BCS bowl games. Jimbo could also flash a National Title Ring from his days at LSU. Plain and simple, Jimbo took over a team that was still deemed relevant in many arenas, even winning a bowl game w/ a weak 7-6 record before he took the helm.
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-Miami: Richt is taking over a program that just got off of full restrictions and have been in the dumps for 13 years. He's also coming behind two horrid coaches. One coach who refused to recruit ALL So Fla, and the other coach who not only did a poor job in recruiting So Fla, in general, but had us 0-5 against our arch rival and had us blown the F out of the water on national TV. Furthermore, what has Richt truly accomplished? Sure he's won 70% of this games, but he's only been to 3 bowl games of significance in his 15 year career and has no hardware to show.

Richt also has his work cut out for him. At UGA, there was no competition to recruit top talent from the GA, so do we "really" know how good of a recruiter he is? Now, he has to recruit against FSU, UF, OSU, Clemson, and Bama...all who are either winning their division or in the playoffs. So, yes, building relationship w/ coaches is great, but So. Fla recruits are all about what have you done for me lately.

We're going to lose the pay-off battle, so the only counter action would be winning on the field, and often. I had some reservations about Richt; w/ the crap he's inherited, you need a strong personality, eye for talent, and that mouth piece to turn it around. That's why I wanted Herman or Butch. The whole soft spoken, Christian-man theme, may not cut it here. I think our class winds up being solid, but not elite. I predicted this anyway, b/c we kept Golden one year too late. Unless we had hired a proven coach w/ hardware, it was going to be an uphill battle with both the 16 and 17 classes. However, he has a real shot for the 18 class, but only if the on-the-field product matches our talent. If it doesn't, if we don't win AT LEAST the Coastal next year, look for class of 18 to be shoddy as well.