How Curtis Porter can change Al Golden's effectiveness

[rsa coral gables]

good analysis by the OP. much appreciated.

 

[88]

Derosier and Kamalu need to be thrown into the fire at DT because Moore, King, and Grimble just aren't going to cut it.

Moore was just a true freshman, lets give him a little more time. People were ready to write off Pierre his freshman year.

 

[rok]

David Gilbert might be just as important. We're one stud DE away from having a legit DL.

 

[marshallrc13]

David Gilbert might be just as important. We're one stud DE away from having a legit DL.

Why do I not remember this David Gilbert guy at all???

 

[rok]

Derosier and Kamalu need to be thrown into the fire at DT because Moore, King, and Grimble just aren't going to cut it.

Moore was just a true freshman, lets give him a little more time. People were ready to write off Pierre his freshman year.

Haven't written anyone off yet but we need depth. Especially considering that CP and Luther are gone after this year.

 

[michaeldiamond74]

Senior transfer from Wisconsin. Has a foot injury that is hopefully sound. Hasn't been fully admitted yet but has already graduated so it should pass
pretty easily I would imagine. Beast if healthy.

David Gilbert might be just as important. We're one stud DE away from having a legit DL.

Why do I not remember this David Gilbert guy at all???

 

[JHallCanes]

Derosier and Kamalu need to be thrown into the fire at DT because Moore, King, and Grimble just aren't going to cut it.

Moore was just a true freshman, lets give him a little more time. People were ready to write off Pierre his freshman year.

Haven't written anyone off yet but we need depth. Especially considering that CP and Luther are gone after this year.

I've mentioned this before but I am optimistic about Moore. He was the first DT really recruited by Golden, though Pierre was his guy right away. Moore and Jontavious Carter are two guys I've had circled for a while because of the way they were recruited and when. Its not cut and dry yet but Golden's evaluations look good and Moore was at the top of the DT lost. Obviously he is still only a soph but I'm expecting a nice season out of him, certainly enough where we can start counting on him as a productive junior.

 

[The Franchise]

I was trying to tell guys last year how important Porter was and how badly he was missed. I'm not so sure he's one of those fragile guys that people are labeling him though. He had an appendix that exploded, which I'm pretty sure led to some complications that kept him out last year. That's not a football injury. Prior to that, I think he hurt his knee once, and that kept him out. He's not one of those dudes who is always dinged up and pulling himself out of games with sore hamstrings or other nagging injuries.

Porter is big-time. I think one of the concerns with him, though, is his conditioning and practice habits. Pretty sure he's one of those dudes that The Don struggles to motivate to work hard and get in good shape. If Porter gets himself in great cardiovascular condition he'll be our best DT since Wilfork. He's got that much natural ability and strength. This dude's country strong, and country strong doesn't wear off in the 4th quarter like weight room strong does sometimes.

LULZ at the dopes writing King and Moore off already.

 

[gcane44]

Derosier and Kamalu need to be thrown into the fire at DT because Moore, King, and Grimble just aren't going to cut it.

Moore was just a true freshman, lets give him a little more time. People were ready to write off Pierre his freshman year.

Haven't written anyone off yet but we need depth. Especially considering that CP and Luther are gone after this year.

I've mentioned this before but I am optimistic about Moore. He was the first DT really recruited by Golden, though Pierre was his guy right away. Moore and Jontavious Carter are two guys I've had circled for a while because of the way they were recruited and when. Its not cut and dry yet but Golden's evaluations look good and Moore was at the top of the DT lost. Obviously he is still only a soph but I'm expecting a nice season out of him, certainly enough where we can start counting on him as a productive junior.

I'm pretty sure Earl Moore was not at the top of our staff's 2012 DT recruiting board. Our staff missed out on quite a few guys before allowing Moore to pull the trigger.

Guys definitely higher than Moore on our board that we were actively recruiting for at least a year include:
Eddie Goldman
Jordan Watkins
Carlos Watkins
Nick James

I think Moore can be a solid contributor here, but I'd caution to temper expectations if you think he was a top of the recruiting board DT expected to dominate

 

[JHallCanes]

Derosier and Kamalu need to be thrown into the fire at DT because Moore, King, and Grimble just aren't going to cut it.

Moore was just a true freshman, lets give him a little more time. People were ready to write off Pierre his freshman year.

Haven't written anyone off yet but we need depth. Especially considering that CP and Luther are gone after this year.

I've mentioned this before but I am optimistic about Moore. He was the first DT really recruited by Golden, though Pierre was his guy right away. Moore and Jontavious Carter are two guys I've had circled for a while because of the way they were recruited and when. Its not cut and dry yet but Golden's evaluations look good and Moore was at the top of the DT lost. Obviously he is still only a soph but I'm expecting a nice season out of him, certainly enough where we can start counting on him as a productive junior.

I'm pretty sure Earl Moore was not at the top of our staff's 2012 DT recruiting board. Our staff missed out on quite a few guys before allowing Moore to pull the trigger.

Guys definitely higher than Moore on our board that we were actively recruiting for at least a year include:
Eddie Goldman
Jordan Watkins
Carlos Watkins
Nick James

I think Moore can be a solid contributor here, but I'd caution to temper expectations if you think he was a top of the recruiting board DT expected to dominate

Eh, I didn't say he was at the top of our board nor did I say dominate. I see my wording could have been better there I suppose. What I'm saying is, the kid was brought in early as an early target when we needed DT's. I'm not saying he is or will be a world beater, simply suggesting that they obviously saw a fit for him in their plan and as we have gone along we have seen some positive examples of guys improving, Pierre in particular. It's tough for any true freshman DT to make a mark. Moore took lumps last year, I'm just saying that I expect him to be a solid contributor at the least here.

 

[gcane44]

Moore was just a true freshman, lets give him a little more time. People were ready to write off Pierre his freshman year.

Haven't written anyone off yet but we need depth. Especially considering that CP and Luther are gone after this year.

I've mentioned this before but I am optimistic about Moore. He was the first DT really recruited by Golden, though Pierre was his guy right away. Moore and Jontavious Carter are two guys I've had circled for a while because of the way they were recruited and when. Its not cut and dry yet but Golden's evaluations look good and Moore was at the top of the DT lost. Obviously he is still only a soph but I'm expecting a nice season out of him, certainly enough where we can start counting on him as a productive junior.

I'm pretty sure Earl Moore was not at the top of our staff's 2012 DT recruiting board. Our staff missed out on quite a few guys before allowing Moore to pull the trigger.

Guys definitely higher than Moore on our board that we were actively recruiting for at least a year include:
Eddie Goldman
Jordan Watkins
Carlos Watkins
Nick James

I think Moore can be a solid contributor here, but I'd caution to temper expectations if you think he was a top of the recruiting board DT expected to dominate

Eh, I didn't say he was at the top of our board nor did I say dominate. I see my wording could have been better there I suppose. What I'm saying is, the kid was brought in early as an early target when we needed DT's. I'm not saying he is or will be a world beater, simply suggesting that they obviously saw a fit for him in their plan and as we have gone along we have seen some positive examples of guys improving, Pierre in particular. It's tough for any true freshman DT to make a mark. Moore took lumps last year, I'm just saying that I expect him to be a solid contributor at the least here.

You did say he was "at the top of our DT l(i)st". But, besides that, I think your further clarification of your post is valid and I agree.

I do think Moore will get better every year here and I'm banking on him to be our 4th guy in the DT rotation and hopefully build off of his experience last season and become a solid contributor.

King, unfortunately, I have zero confidence in. Maybe he'll surprise me, but I think I'm just scarred by the clip of Menelik Watson throwing him around (and select other moments when he looked to be on skates)

 

[JHallCanes]

Haven't written anyone off yet but we need depth. Especially considering that CP and Luther are gone after this year.

I've mentioned this before but I am optimistic about Moore. He was the first DT really recruited by Golden, though Pierre was his guy right away. Moore and Jontavious Carter are two guys I've had circled for a while because of the way they were recruited and when. Its not cut and dry yet but Golden's evaluations look good and Moore was at the top of the DT lost. Obviously he is still only a soph but I'm expecting a nice season out of him, certainly enough where we can start counting on him as a productive junior.

I'm pretty sure Earl Moore was not at the top of our staff's 2012 DT recruiting board. Our staff missed out on quite a few guys before allowing Moore to pull the trigger.

Guys definitely higher than Moore on our board that we were actively recruiting for at least a year include:
Eddie Goldman
Jordan Watkins
Carlos Watkins
Nick James

I think Moore can be a solid contributor here, but I'd caution to temper expectations if you think he was a top of the recruiting board DT expected to dominate

Eh, I didn't say he was at the top of our board nor did I say dominate. I see my wording could have been better there I suppose. What I'm saying is, the kid was brought in early as an early target when we needed DT's. I'm not saying he is or will be a world beater, simply suggesting that they obviously saw a fit for him in their plan and as we have gone along we have seen some positive examples of guys improving, Pierre in particular. It's tough for any true freshman DT to make a mark. Moore took lumps last year, I'm just saying that I expect him to be a solid contributor at the least here.

You did say he was "at the top of our DT l(i)st". But, besides that, I think your further clarification of your post is valid and I agree.

I do think Moore will get better every year here and I'm banking on him to be our 4th guy in the DT rotation and hopefully build off of his experience last season and become a solid contributor.

King, unfortunately, I have zero confidence in. Maybe he'll surprise me, but I think I'm just scarred by the clip of Menelik Watson throwing him around (and select other moments when he looked to be on skates)

Yeah I don't know if I'm just trying to find the silver lining to last year or what, but these young guys getting beat up last year could eventually be a good thing for them. I didn't have much faith in King either but he did play a lot of meaningful snaps last year. It was much much just a ****ed up situation all around but things certainly changed when Porter came back and Pierre started to break through. Luther Robinson is definitely no slouch either, we just need those guys to hold fort so some of these guys don't have to play as much as they did last year. The trenches are definitely grown man territory.

 

[LuCane]

Haven't written anyone off yet but we need depth. Especially considering that CP and Luther are gone after this year.

I've mentioned this before but I am optimistic about Moore. He was the first DT really recruited by Golden, though Pierre was his guy right away. Moore and Jontavious Carter are two guys I've had circled for a while because of the way they were recruited and when. Its not cut and dry yet but Golden's evaluations look good and Moore was at the top of the DT lost. Obviously he is still only a soph but I'm expecting a nice season out of him, certainly enough where we can start counting on him as a productive junior.

I'm pretty sure Earl Moore was not at the top of our staff's 2012 DT recruiting board. Our staff missed out on quite a few guys before allowing Moore to pull the trigger.

Guys definitely higher than Moore on our board that we were actively recruiting for at least a year include:
Eddie Goldman
Jordan Watkins
Carlos Watkins
Nick James

I think Moore can be a solid contributor here, but I'd caution to temper expectations if you think he was a top of the recruiting board DT expected to dominate

Eh, I didn't say he was at the top of our board nor did I say dominate. I see my wording could have been better there I suppose. What I'm saying is, the kid was brought in early as an early target when we needed DT's. I'm not saying he is or will be a world beater, simply suggesting that they obviously saw a fit for him in their plan and as we have gone along we have seen some positive examples of guys improving, Pierre in particular. It's tough for any true freshman DT to make a mark. Moore took lumps last year, I'm just saying that I expect him to be a solid contributor at the least here.

You did say he was "at the top of our DT l(i)st". But, besides that, I think your further clarification of your post is valid and I agree.

I do think Moore will get better every year here and I'm banking on him to be our 4th guy in the DT rotation and hopefully build off of his experience last season and become a solid contributor.

King, unfortunately, I have zero confidence in. Maybe he'll surprise me, but I think I'm just scarred by the clip of Menelik Watson throwing him around (and select other moments when he looked to be on skates)

Does anyone know King's age? He's coming into his third year. If he isn't stout enough this year...

It was painful to watch him (and the rest of the DL) tossed around as we all froze our asses off in Chicago. What a miserable experience.

 

[dk72]

I was trying to tell guys last year how important Porter was and how badly he was missed. I'm not so sure he's one of those fragile guys that people are labeling him though. He had an appendix that exploded, which I'm pretty sure led to some complications that kept him out last year. That's not a football injury. Prior to that, I think he hurt his knee once, and that kept him out. He's not one of those dudes who is always dinged up and pulling himself out of games with sore hamstrings or other nagging injuries.

Porter is big-time. I think one of the concerns with him, though, is his conditioning and practice habits. Pretty sure he's one of those dudes that The Don struggles to motivate to work hard and get in good shape. If Porter gets himself in great cardiovascular condition he'll be our best DT since Wilfork. He's got that much natural ability and strength. This dude's country strong, and country strong doesn't wear off in the 4th quarter like weight room strong does sometimes.

LULZ at the dopes writing King and Moore off already.

You're absolutely right about Porter. Labeling him as fragile or injury prone is unfair, and simply incorrect. As you mentioned, the two extended absences he had came from a burst appendix, and the other medical issue wasn't his knee, it was with his finger. I recall people knocking him because it was only a finger. Problem is he broke it badly and the bone protruded through the skin. It then got massive infections, twice, that kept him out for a long period of time because it would not heal due to the infection. Call him cursed, call him unlucky, but his absences had nothing to do with being injury prone.

 

[deleted3746]

I was trying to tell guys last year how important Porter was and how badly he was missed. I'm not so sure he's one of those fragile guys that people are labeling him though. He had an appendix that exploded, which I'm pretty sure led to some complications that kept him out last year. That's not a football injury. Prior to that, I think he hurt his knee once, and that kept him out. He's not one of those dudes who is always dinged up and pulling himself out of games with sore hamstrings or other nagging injuries.

Porter is big-time. I think one of the concerns with him, though, is his conditioning and practice habits. Pretty sure he's one of those dudes that The Don struggles to motivate to work hard and get in good shape. If Porter gets himself in great cardiovascular condition he'll be our best DT since Wilfork. He's got that much natural ability and strength. This dude's country strong, and country strong doesn't wear off in the 4th quarter like weight room strong does sometimes.

LULZ at the dopes writing King and Moore off already.

You're absolutely right about Porter. Labeling him as fragile or injury prone is unfair, and simply incorrect. As you mentioned, the two extended absences he had came from a burst appendix, and the other medical issue wasn't his knee, it was with his finger. I recall people knocking him because it was only a finger. Problem is he broke it badly and the bone protruded through the skin. It then got massive infections, twice, that kept him out for a long period of time because it would not heal due to the infection. Call him cursed, call him unlucky, but his absences had nothing to do with being injury prone.

Whatever the reason is, Porter hasn't been a reliable contributor up to this point. He has never played a full season and hasn't played more than 4 games since 2009.

Time to produce.

 

[rok]

Porter's career numbers:

15 games played
24 tackles (12 solo)
4 TFL
0 sacks

He's the best kept secret in college football. Guy is going to crush people's skulls.

 

[LuCane]

Porter's career numbers:

15 games played
24 tackles (12 solo)
4 TFL
0 sacks

He's the best kept secret in college football. Guy is going to crush people's skulls.

And, yet, he's our best alternative, no? I'm not saying he's going to do one thing or another. I'm saying he's our best chance.

 

[rok]

Porter's career numbers:

15 games played
24 tackles (12 solo)
4 TFL
0 sacks

He's the best kept secret in college football. Guy is going to crush people's skulls.

And, yet, he's our best alternative, no? I'm not saying he's going to do one thing or another. I'm saying he's our best chance.

I meant every word. He's really good, he just hasn't been able to prove it.

 

[Consigliere]

Porter's career numbers:

15 games played
24 tackles (12 solo)
4 TFL
0 sacks

He's the best kept secret in college football. Guy is going to crush people's skulls.

You shorted him a 1/2 TFL

 

[Consigliere]

Porter's career numbers:

15 games played
24 tackles (12 solo)
4 TFL
0 sacks

He's the best kept secret in college football. Guy is going to crush people's skulls.

And, yet, he's our best alternative, no? I'm not saying he's going to do one thing or another. I'm saying he's our best chance.

The guy makes a difference when he is in the game. That is the bottom line.