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At this point in time, we could admit it was a TD and that would not change the result. So we could be gloating that 22 years after the Fiasco Bowl we finally got a makeup call. But that’s not the case. No one ever caught the ball! That’s facts. For once Miami was not screwed over by the Tobacco Road refs. And I am here to say you can call it the Cam Ward effect. Even the biased ACC higher ups want a Heisman winner. Ward is the only guy that wins that in the ACC. So you can be sure someone made sure that the right call was made here.
 
At the end of the day, this was one of the worst officiated games, in its totality, that we have had. Yeah some calls have been more significant, but there were really bad calls in every quarter.
And I am someone who takes the angle that refs don’t have huge impacts on games.
Cam Ward’s 3 TO and us being dominated along the lines were still more impactful, but ****, these were up there.
 
The legitimate complaints about the Hail Mary were one, the call was ruled a catch after 5-10 seconds of discussion by the refs, meaning they were unsure and should have ruled incomplete pass, and two, no reason for overturning the call was given at the time. Usually a reason is given.

And F-VT (Boo-Hoo)
 
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CaneBorn1983 said:
Surely you know somebody who can turn my analysis into a frame by frame video analysis. Make it happen!
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For the Cam Ward fumble call, it's on Page 6:


TheOriginalCane

Thread 'Video re-watch - terrible calls by the refs - huge impact'

Watch these plays again. It's truly indefensible.

1. Third and goal, Miami about to go up 21-7. Markel Bell is matched up against Keyshawn Burgos. Bell has at least 4 inches and 100 pounds on Burgos. There is NO HOLDING. Burgos spins his body until his BACK is against Bell, then he falls down. The ref waits forever to throw the flag, until Cam throws the ball. The replay is clear. Even the announcer questions the call. But the phantom holding stands, taking a touchdown off the board, and the very next play is an interception.

2. Fourth down, VaTech about to go up 24-14. The...
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CaneBorn1983 said:
If you look at this frame by frame (which I'm certain the replay booth was doing), it's clear that the ball was never secured by anyone prior to contacting the ground AND even if we assumed the ball was secured, it's clear that control was not maintained through contact with the ground, which is a requirement for a completed pass.

At best, the VT player had the ball trapped between his forearms as he was hitting the ground. That's clear because Horton is actually holding the VT player's right hand with his right hand (meaning the VT player's right hand could not have been securing the ball. You can also clearly see that the VT player's left hand was not on the ball as his glove (with the Nike logo on the back of it) is beyond the tip of the ball with the back of his hand (not his palm) facing the ball. You can then clearly see that the ball immediately starts moving as soon as the pile hits the ground and that it was not a result of Horton jarring it loose as Horton's right hand is still holding the right hand of the VT player and his left hand is away from the ball.

I guarantee the replay booth zoomed in on this and looked at it frame by frame and concluded the same thing I've done here. That's likely why it took 5+ minutes to look at this. It's clear as day though. Absolutely indisputable evidence that it was an incomplete pass.
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Eric Mac Lane said on his pod the replay booth had a clear video, that wasn’t shown on the broadcast or in the stadium, that was irrefutable proof of no catch… This fits that description.

Why the **** wouldn’t they blast it everywhere?
 
CaneBorn1983 said:
Surely you know somebody who can turn my analysis into a frame by frame video analysis. Make it happen!
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I'll try to get the pix later.

Let's set the stage.

1. There is ONE ref in position. He is about 10 yards to the inside of the play, underneath the goalposts. Normall, on a Hail Mary where "feet in bounds" will be an issue, you would expect him to run towards the plan and have eyes on the end line and the feet. This ******* lump just stands there watching the play like he's a fan. That very same ref casually jogs over to the pile a few seconds after everyone lands. He is actually beaten to the pile by a ref who has run in from outside the end zone, meaning all refs were 10-20 yards away from the play when it happened, a TERRIBLE position to be in to check feet-in-bounds and/or control of the ball at the time of the catch. I'm not sure I've ever seen refs be SO out of position for the MOST consequential play when you know EXACTLY where the ball is going.

2. After Isaiah Horton has run the ball OUT of the end zone, a third ref jogs into the scrum. Keep in mind, there were EIGHT players there, 5 defenders and 3 receivers. That is 36% of all the players on the field for that play, and yet no ref is on the spot to make the call. One ref is 10 yards away yanking his pud underneath the goalposts. The fastest ref comes from outside the end zone (presumably he was watching the near pylon). The latest ref seems like he jogged in from the far pylon. And yet THIS is the braintrust of ****nuts who are going to belatedly, and from a distance, decide if a catch was made that they simply DID NOT see, with the possible exception of the pud-puller under the goalposts.

3. Then, between the camera following Horton and the Hard Rock party staff turning out the lights, we cannot see the "call on the field". However, by the time we see VaTech's lane holding up his arms in the fake-TD motion, not one single other ref has shown up to huddle and discuss the play. Fortunately, ESPN gave us gratuitous shots of VaTech players taunting the Miami players with Cam's "celebration" thing that he does.

4. Let's break down the play from the front. We have a 5-3 player advantage, though OJ Frederique doesn't participate in the action. Thus, SEVEN players all jump for the ball at the same time. There is an Oreo white creme center of three VaTech players in white jerseys. The 2 guys that you can clearly see are Felton and Gosnell. The chocolate cookie bracket has Dyoni Hill and Meesh Powell to the inside (towards the goalposts), Isaiah Horton to the back, and Jadais Richard to the outside (towards the sideline).

5. It looke like Hill has a shot. He jumps highest, but too soon and farthest from the end line. His hand swats at, but does not make contact with, the ball. Meesh Powel comes in from the side and his left hand makes contact at the same time Felton's does. The opposing forces seem to push the ball a bit closer to Felton. It also looks like Gosnell and Horton may have made some minor contact at this initial point. Lane may have touched it too, but his momentum carries him the farthest from the ball of the VaTech players, and Meesh falls the farthest from the ball of the UM players.

6. Now the ball is tumbling downwards, its in-air flight has ceased, and 7 guys (six if you exclude Dyoni Hill who jumped the highest, but too soon) are trying to get their hands on the pigskin. At FIRST TOUCH, one point of the ball is facing towards the QB and you can see a white stripe. As the ball is MOSTLY going towards Felton, it gets rotated, so that the points of the ball are facing either sideline, and now the strip faces towards the QB, but from a side view. This is the point where Horton side-corrals the ball with his forearm and begins to prevent Felton from getting firm control. It is important to note at this point that most of the feet are touching the ground, with the notable exception of Gosnell. BUT NOBODY HAS FIRM CONTROL.

7. Now you have the jostling. As Horton's butt hits the ground, his forearm grasp of the ball is dislodged due to physics. The ball keeps moving downwards and appears to be making its way to Felton, who landed before Horton and thus is not bouncing back upwards a bit at the same time Horton is. At this point, the ball is roughly BETWEEN Felton and Horton, but the motion of the ball has been heading towards Felton. Unfortunately, Horton now falls backward, which is when his elbow and backside make contact with out-of-bounds. Any "not in firm control" touching by Horton at this point will render the pass incomplete, as NOBODY has secured the ball through the contact with the ground. And as Horton falls backwards, the ball begins to clearly move towards Felton, THOUGH THE BALL IS STILL SQUIRMING AROUND.

8. Now Felton attempts to curl his body to hug the ball, much as you would do for a fumble. But at this point, Horton has returned from the grave like The Undertaker, and begins to get handsy. So here is the important part about control of the ball surviving a player's contact with the ground. From the side view, AT FIRST you can see Felton trying to wedge the ball between his right forearm above the ball and his left forearm under the ball. Neither of his Nike-gloved hands are controlling the ball. And the way you can tell that is by FOLLOWING THE STRIPE on the ball. FIRST, the ball is sideways, with each point facing away from Felton's body to his left and right, while the fat part of the ball is against his breastplate. SECOND, you can see the ball squirting to Felton's right and downward towards Horton's junk. The reason you can follow the movement is because the white stripe disappears behind Horton's gracefully upward leaning thigh.

9. Now Felton realizes he is ******* this up. He's got to put a ring on this football. He's got to lock that **** down. But now Horton's miraculous adidas-gloved left hand comes into play. Horton firmly reaches around the ball and begins to pull down and to the left. DOWN AND TO THE LEFT. And because he is out-of bounds, this is the moment that the pass becomes incomplete and the play ends. Even if Felton were to belatedly acquire firm control after this, IT IS TOO LATE. And this is where the ball pops upward. Even the most dishonest VaTech player cannot possibly deny that NOBODY has the ball at this point. Meaning, the catch has not survived the contact with the ground, there was NOT firm control throughout the catch, descent, and contact with the ground. Game over.

10. After this, Horton does a sit-up to cradle the ball to his chest, while Felton and Gosnell are desperately swiping at the largest third ******** you've ever seen. Elephantitis of the football nuts. And if Horton wasn't already out of bounds, we could have called this one the Crotch Catch. But it doesn't matter what happens here BECAUSE THE BALL IS ALREADY INCOMPLETE. To quote a very funny SNL sketch with Jesse Jackson, "THE QUESTION IS MOOT!" Game over, man, game over. It's over, Johnny, it's over. The Germans have bombed Pearl Harbor.



I'll try to use a bigger screen to get pictures of all these great family memories, but until then, rewatch the video and ask yourself if a single word is wrong.

Spoiler alert, the answer is "no".
 
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1mg of Epi said:
Eric Mac Lane said on his pod the replay booth had a clear video, that wasn’t shown on the broadcast or in the stadium, that was irrefutable proof of no catch… This fits that description.

Why the **** wouldn’t they blast it everywhere?
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To answer your final question first. Yes, the ACC should have done a better job of making an on-field announcement, and then repeat the statement every 30 seconds for the next 24 hours. Agreed.

Second, as I have alluded to in my earlier posts on this issue, WHAT ESPN SHOWS THE TV AUDIENCE IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT THE REPLAY OFFICIALS SEE. I don't know how many times THAT needs to get repeated.

Or, to put it another way, the ACC is not solely beholden to The Worldwide Leader to give them all the ESPN video. We've all heard of the "All 22" video. So CLEARLY, there are other cameras being used throughout the game that do not have the letters "ESPN" glued to the side. For VaTech fans and Miami HATERS to be soooooo arrogant as to presume that the ONLY video that the replay officials have is the precious ESPN video is just INSANE.

VaTech fans need to shut the **** up.

The booth had the video. They got the final call correct.

Now, why in the **** they still thought Cam fumbled in the first quarter, I have no idea.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I'll try to get the pix later.

Let's set the stage.

1. There is ONE ref in position. He is about 10 yards to the inside of the play, underneath the goalposts. Normall, on a Hail Mary where "feet in bounds" will be an issue, you would expect him to run towards the plan and have eyes on the end line and the feet. This ******* lump just stands there watching the play like he's a fan. That very same ref casually jogs over to the pile a few seconds after everyone lands. He is actually beaten to the pile by a ref who has run in from outside the end zone, meaning all refs were 10-20 yards away from the play when it happened, a TERRIBLE position to be in to check feet-in-bounds and/or control of the ball at the time of the catch. I'm not sure I've ever seen refs be SO out of position for the MOST consequential play when you know EXACTLY where the ball is going.

2. After Isaiah Horton has run the ball OUT of the end zone, a third ref jogs into the scrum. Keep in mind, there were EIGHT players there, 5 defenders and 3 receivers. That is 36% of all the players on the field for that play, and yet no ref is on the spot to make the call. One ref is 10 yards away yanking his pud underneath the goalposts. The fastest ref comes from outside the end zone (presumably he was watching the near pylon). The latest ref seems like he jogged in from the far pylon. And yet THIS is the braintrust of ****nuts who are going to belatedly, and from a distance, decide if a catch was made that they simply DID NOT see, with the possible exception of the pud-puller under the goalposts.

3. Then, between the camera following Horton and the Hard Rock party staff turning out the lights, we cannot see the "call on the field". However, by the time we see VaTech's lane holding up his arms in the fake-TD motion, not one single other ref has shown up to huddle and discuss the play. Fortunately, ESPN gave us gratuitous shots of VaTech players taunting the Miami players with Cam's "celebration" thing that he does.

4. Let's break down the play from the front. We have a 5-3 player advantage, though OJ Frederique doesn't participate in the action. Thus, SEVEN players all jump for the ball at the same time. There is an Oreo white creme center of three VaTech players in white jerseys. The 2 guys that you can clearly see are Felton and Gosnell. The chocolate cookie bracket has Dyoni Hill and Meesh Powell to the inside (towards the goalposts), Isaiah Horton to the back, and Jadais Richard to the outside (towards the sideline).

5. It looke like Hill has a shot. He jumps highest, but too soon and farthest from the end line. His hand swats at, but does not make contact with, the ball. Meesh Powel comes in from the side and his left hand makes contact at the same time Felton's does. The opposing forces seem to push the ball a bit closer to Felton. It also looks like Gosnell and Horton may have made some minor contact at this initial point. Lane may have touched it too, but his momentum carries him the farthest from the ball of the VaTech players, and Meesh falls the farthest from the ball of the UM players.

6. Now the ball is tumbling downwards, its in-air flight has ceased, and 7 guys (six if you exclude Dyoni Hill who jumped the highest, but too soon) are trying to get their hands on the pigskin. At FIRST TOUCH, one point of the ball is facing towards the QB and you can see a white stripe. As the ball is MOSTLY going towards Felton, it gets rotated, so that the points of the ball are facing either sideline, and now the strip faces towards the QB, but from a side view. This is the point where Horton side-corrals the ball with his forearm and begins to prevent Felton from getting firm control. It is important to note at this point that most of the feet are touching the ground, with the notable exception of Gosnell. BUT NOBODY HAS FIRM CONTROL.

7. Now you have the jostling. As Horton's butt hits the ground, his forearm grasp of the ball is dislodged due to physics. The ball keeps moving downwards and appears to be making its way to Felton, who landed before Horton and thus is not bouncing back upwards a bit at the same time Horton is. At this point, the ball is roughly BETWEEN Felton and Horton, but the motion of the ball has been heading towards Felton. Unfortunately, Horton now falls backward, which is when his elbow and backside make contact with out-of-bounds. Any "not in firm control" touching by Horton at this point will render the pass incomplete, as NOBODY has secured the ball through the contact with the ground. And as Horton falls backwards, the ball begins to clearly move towards Felton, THOUGH THE BALL IS STILL SQUIRMING AROUND.

8. Now Felton attempts to curl his body to hug the ball, much as you would do for a fumble. But at this point, Horton has returned from the grave like The Undertaker, and begins to get handsy. So here is the important part about control of the ball surviving a player's contact with the ground. From the side view, AT FIRST you can see Felton trying to wedge the ball between his right forearm above the ball and his left forearm under the ball. Neither of his Nike-gloved hands are controlling the ball. And the way you can tell that is by FOLLOWING THE STRIPE on the ball. FIRST, the ball is sideways, with each point facing away from Felton's body to his left and right, while the fat part of the ball is against his breastplate. SECOND, you can see the ball squirting to Felton's right and downward towards Horton's junk. The reason you can follow the movement is because the white stripe disappears behind Horton's gracefully upward leaning thigh.

9. Now Felton realizes he is ******* this up. He's got to put a ring on this football. He's got to lock that **** down. But now Horton's miraculous adidas-gloved left hand comes into play. Horton firml reaches around the ball and begins to pull down and to the left. DOWN AND TO THE LEFT. And because he is out-of bounds, this is the moment that the ball becomes incomplete and the play ends. Even if Felton were to belatedly acquire firm control after this, IT IS TOO LATE. And this is where the ball pops upward. Even the most dishonest VaTech player cannot possibly deny that NOBODY has the ball at this point. Meaning, the catch has not survived the contact with the ground, there was NOT firm control throughout the catch, descent, and contact with the ground. Game over.

10. After this, Horton does a sit-up to cradle the ball to his chest, while Felton and Gosnell are desperately swiping at the largest third ******** you've ever seen. And if Horton wasn't already out of bounds, we could have called this one the Crotch Catch. But it doesn't matter what happens here BECAUSE THE BALL IS ALREADY INCOMPLETE. To quote a very funny SNL sketch with Jesse Jackson, "THE QUESTION IS MOOT!" Game over, man, game over. It's over, Johnny, it's over. The Germans have bombed Pearl Harbor.



I'll try to use a bigger screen to get pictures of all these great family memories, but until then, rewatch the video and ask yourself if a single word is wrong.

Spoiler alert, the answer is "no".
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A picture is worth a thousand words.

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TheOriginalCane said:
To answer your final question first. Yes, the ACC should have done a better job of making an on-field announcement, and then repeat the statement every 30 seconds for the next 24 hours. Agreed.

Second, as I have alluded to in my earlier posts on this issue, WHAT ESPN SHOWS THE TV AUDIENCE IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT THE REPLAY OFFICIALS SEE. I don't know how many times THAT needs to get repeated.

Or, to put it another way, the ACC is not solely beholden to The Worldwide Leader to give them all the ESPN video. We've all heard of the "All 22" video. So CLEARLY, there are other cameras being used throughout the game that do not have the letters "ESPN" glued to the side. For VaTech fans and Miami HATERS to be soooooo arrogant as to presume that the ONLY video that the replay officials have is the precious ESPN video is just INSANE.

VaTech fans need to shut the **** up.

The booth had the video. They got the final call correct.

Now, why in the **** they still thought Cam fumbled in the first quarter, I have no idea.
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In 253 we thought he was down.
 
NJshoreCane said:
OK Brent, now that deflection time is over, you can tell us why :
1. You called for the fake FG, and,
2. How your D gave up 2 TD's in the last 8;40 to lose it.
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Let’s not forget about the decision he made to squib kick the ball to CJ on the kickoff right before the end of the first half. That was another brilliant call!

That kick finally gave CJ a chance for a return and he came real close to his first college football special team house call before he got tripped up around mid field.

They kick it deep and through the end zone and I’m not so sure we had enough time to get into FG range.

That 56 yard bomb by Borregales at the end of the first half turned out to be the difference in the game. You the man Brent!!

 
insaneinthecane said:
Let’s not forget about the decision he made to squib kick the ball to CJ on the kickoff right before the end of the first half. That was another brilliant call!

That kick finally gave CJ a chance for a return and he came real close to his first college football special team house call before he got tripped up around mid field.

They kick it deep and through the end zone and I’m not so sure we had enough time to get into FG range.

That 56 yard bomb by Borregales at the end of the first half turned out to be the difference in the game. You the man Brent!!

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If it's the same kicker, didn't the dude just kick a 58 yarder?
Put the **** thing in the West endzone, 5th row!

He's LUCKY the game was, so-called,"controversial".
I hope they didn't let him off the hook.
 
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