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Hey Mario [kneeling is a thing]

skyman said:
Joel Klatt on his show was saying this is something that can fracture trust of players in the coach, so its possible. You have shots of guys crying on sideline, your team leader on camera saying "what the **** are we doing?!" and Mario essentially throwing anyone under the bus immediately after in postgame remarks about two hands on the ball and ****.. Its not a good look..

Ill see if Klatt clipped it from his show and will post..
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Mario didn't throw anyone under the bus. He said they reminded Don to use two hands and they have a system for when to get into V and Both failed which was on him. Mario owned it and has at least 3 times to the public.

As for Matt Lee, he could have looked at that play clock himself on that last drive and stopped snapping it at 15 seconds left.
 
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90scane said:
Mario didn't throw anyone under the bus. He said they reminded Don to use two hands and they have a system for when to get into V and Both failed which was on him. Mario owned it and has at least 3 times to the public.

As for Matt Lee, he could have looked at that play clock himself on that last drive and stopped snapping it at 15 seconds left.
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Ehh his explanation in post game presser sound like alot of coppin pleas, if he just came out and said what he said this morning on Joe Rose I would agree.. Just say I ****ed up.. It was not about anyone else holding on the ball, getting carried away, or any other bs. He talks about accountability then doesnt accept 100% after the fact comes across as weak..

Lol at the center just snapping when he wants, maybe he could of gone to huddle and told tvd milk the clock and hold us in huddle more but most players do what they always do, majority of players dont even know where the playclock is, only the qb..
 
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Salt said:
How many of us before they ran that play, in that situation, were thinking to kneel? So I don't think that was the case at all. It may have been ultimately inconsequential if not fumbled but people who understand the rules of football were definitely questioning it.

I think someone already mentioned it. We have analysts up in the booth. We have analytics and football situations involving whether to go for a 2 point conversion or not, etc. This is one of those deals where analytics involving time, play clocks, and downs comes into play like other football situations. Someone needs to chime in and state the obvious, if not the head coach (maybe he has other things that are distracting him at the moment) but there is enough staff for someone to oversee this part.

Hopefully this now gets fixed. And it is a relatively easy fix to make.
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I just watched some Canes YouTubers. The take on it that makes sense is that Mario has never taken a knee. It's a philosophy thing to play hard for 60 minutes. He's trying to create a toughness mindset that he's done everywhere he has coached.

I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think there's too many things that can go wrong including injuries.

I don't think we'll see that philosophy moving forward.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
I just watched some Canes YouTubers. The take on it that makes sense is that Mario has never taken a knee. It's a philosophy thing to play hard for 60 minutes. He's trying to create a toughness mindset that he's done everywhere he has coached.

I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think there's too many things that can go wrong including injuries.

I don't think we'll see that philosophy moving forward.
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How can you understand it? He consciously decided to do the only thing that wouldn’t ensure a victory. “Hey, bro, I’m trying to instill toughness, so it’s worth risking the game, our season, the locker room, and my players’ health just so I can show how badass I am.” F-cking meathead.
 
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skyman said:
Ehh his explanation in post game presser sound like alot of coppin pleas, if he just came out and said what he said this morning on Joe Rose I would agree.. Just say I ****ed up.. It was not about anyone else holding on the ball, getting carried away, or any other bs. He talks about accountability then doesnt accept 100% after the fact comes across as weak..

Lol at the center just snapping when he wants, maybe he could of gone to huddle and told tvd milk the clock and hold us in huddle more but most players do what they always do, majority of players dont even know where the playclock is, only the qb..
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I heard the variances in the message but didn't think it was that bad.

Just watched and TVD uses an audible call vs clap. I also spent the time to calculate how much time we didn't burn on that last drive: 54 seconds could have been burned off the clock on around 5 plays that TVD called for it with 10-20 seconds left including the 2nd down run with 16 seconds on the play clock.
 
dycane said:
How can you understand it? He consciously decided to do the only thing that wouldn’t ensure a victory. “Hey, bro, I’m trying to instill toughness, so it’s worth risking the game, our season, the locker room, and my players’ health just so I can show how badass I am.” F-cking meathead.
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Not only that but Chaney got up slow on the second down run. TVD snapped it with 16 seconds left. Just that ONE play snap being at 1-3 seconds wins us the game as GT gets the ball with 5-10seconds.
 
Im currently at lunch in a small town in NC

Group of 5 guys eating at table beside me. One guy says "holy **** did yall see what miami did"

Next guy says "that coach should be fired immediately"


Im ******* dead!!
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
I just watched some Canes YouTubers. The take on it that makes sense is that Mario has never taken a knee. It's a philosophy thing to play hard for 60 minutes. He's trying to create a toughness mindset that he's done everywhere he has coached.

I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think there's too many things that can go wrong including injuries.

I don't think we'll see that philosophy moving forward.
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Sooo basically he is a caveman? Sounds about right.. The whole reason to play is to win the game, the game was already won! Take the W and move on to next one.. Especially in a one score game where you didnt play a clean game..
 
Number1CanesFan said:
I just watched some Canes YouTubers. The take on it that makes sense is that Mario has never taken a knee. It's a philosophy thing to play hard for 60 minutes. He's trying to create a toughness mindset that he's done everywhere he has coached.

I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think there's too many things that can go wrong including injuries.

I don't think we'll see that philosophy moving forward.
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I get that philosophy too but at the end of the day the correct philosophy is to win the game. Once you arrive at that goal even if it's at 59:20 you do what you need to to secure the win. I would take playing hard for 59:20 if I were Mario in this particular scenario. Because playing hard for all that time only to lose it like that is demoralizing to a team.
 
skyman said:
Sooo basically he is a caveman? Sounds about right.. The whole reason to play is to win the game, the game was already won! Take the W and move on to next one.. Especially in a one score game where you didnt play a clean game..
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All I care about is not going to ultra-conservative BROBALL from here on out. Pass It Deep and Often to open the run. If that F'ing safety has his eyes in the backfield, we should have Harrell running Go routes all night long. If he doesn't have the speed then Ray Ray, Smith, Young, etc can do it or run 4 verts like Richt used to do. Let TVD play to his strength of throwing great long balls. Let our OL play to its strength of pass blocking with 4 rushers and run blocking with the back 7 worried about the deep threat.
 
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90scane said:
All I care about is not going to ultra-conservative BROBALL from here on out. Pass It Deep and Often to open the run. If that F'ing safety has his eyes in the backfield, we should have Harrell running Go routes all night long. If he doesn't have the speed then Ray Ray, Smith, Young, etc can do it or run 4 verts like Richt used to do. Let TVD play to his strength of throwing great long balls. Let our OL play to its strength of pass blocking with 4 rushers and run blocking with the back 7 worried about the deep threat.
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We’re definitely going broball this weekend. You can count on it.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
This is what I find so difficult to reconcile. The passing offense we faced in GT came into the game as a top 10 passing attack and before they got the ball back and went 74 yards in 3 plays, our defense had held them to 77 yards passing for the game.

I think when we look at the defense just completely collapsing at the end we have to take into consideration that our offense was getting ready to snap the ball and end the game. The defensive players were already done with the game both physically, mentally and emotionally and for them to all of a sudden get called back out onto the field having to save a win was just too much for them.

Don't misunderstand. Even with the job the secondary did for 99% of the game I can still see that the defensive backfield is still a work in progress but I think they will continue to improve throughout the season.

I think the DL is solid and in my opinion they are playing way over their collective heads and that speaks volumes about Lance Guidry and the incredible job he has done. We are #9 in total defense and #1 in rush defense. Truly remarkable and it's really sad that Mario's lack of awareness will take away the focus that should be on our defense for the excellent performance they gave last night.
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This is absolutely correct. Situational awareness is a big part of coaching, but you cannot coach human nature out of your players. You especially cannot expect your players to have situational awareness when you yourself have none.

We haven't taken a knee all season, we've kept running plays. Chaney is a RB, he fights for yards. He also doesn't have any particular issues with ball security. So, he did what a RB does when his number is called, he ran the ball and went for yards. That's the situation you created.

The defense played a very good football game. We outgained them significantly. Those last 70 yards were brutal, but they never should have existed until you created the opportunity. I understand staying focused until 0:00, and beyond (thanks Terry Porter), but it's human nature. Now the kids feel like **** for what was an otherwise great defensive game.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
This is what I find so difficult to reconcile. The passing offense we faced in GT came into the game as a top 10 passing attack and before they got the ball back and went 74 yards in 3 plays, our defense had held them to 77 yards passing for the game.

I think when we look at the defense just completely collapsing at the end we have to take into consideration that our offense was getting ready to snap the ball and end the game. The defensive players were already done with the game both physically, mentally and emotionally and for them to all of a sudden get called back out onto the field having to save a win was just too much for them.

Don't misunderstand. Even with the job the secondary did for 99% of the game I can still see that the defensive backfield is still a work in progress but I think they will continue to improve throughout the season.

I think the DL is solid and in my opinion they are playing way over their collective heads and that speaks volumes about Lance Guidry and the incredible job he has done. We are #9 in total defense and #1 in rush defense. Truly remarkable and it's really sad that Mario's lack of awareness will take away the focus that should be on our defense for the excellent performance they gave last night.
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The thing that makes it even worse is that it wasn't just running a play instead of kneeling. We were in the shotgun. On a day where the field was wet. Dawson went with the formation where the most things could go wrong. He was flirting with disaster.

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Number1CanesFan said:
I just watched some Canes YouTubers. The take on it that makes sense is that Mario has never taken a knee. It's a philosophy thing to play hard for 60 minutes. He's trying to create a toughness mindset that he's done everywhere he has coached.

I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think there's too many things that can go wrong including injuries.

I don't think we'll see that philosophy moving forward.
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Praying this is a joke.

The fact he didn't scrap it the first time he ****ed up a game is what's mindboggling.

That's assuming I believe it in the first place, which I don't.

What I do believe is that Mario doesn't give a rats *** about the nuances of coaching a complete football game. It's not where he spends any time.

The guy adheres to pretty much every other ludicrous aphorism and rule of thumb coaches have bathed themselves with for decades.

Most have been debunked by analytics, except this one. PE instructors who moonlight as the JV head coach know victory formation.
 
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