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One interesting fact that I was completely unaware of until a YouTuber pointed it out. In each of the previous 4 games, Mario has run the ball to end the game. No QB has taken a knee. The difference is, this was the only game where the lead was one score.

It's rather profound. If there were no "called" fumble, nobody would have given it a thought. Perhaps this is why Mario didn't think twice about running the ball. He never gave kneeling a thought. For whatever reason, it's not in his coaching DNA.

The thing I find disturbing is this is the 2nd time in his career where he failed to take a knee, a fumble occurred, and a loss ensued. His 2018 Oregon team lost to Stanford when he could have ran the clock out with a kneel down, but a fumble occurred and subsequent loss. The man has not learned his lesson. I find it so profound for such a person that prides himself on paying attention to details.

How you do anything is how you do everything. -- Mario Cristobal
 
Number1CanesFan said:
It's rather profound. If there were no "called" fumble, nobody would have given it a thought. Perhaps this is why Mario didn't think twice about running the ball. He never gave kneeling a thought. For whatever reason, it's not in his coaching DNA.

The thing I find disturbing is this is the 2nd time in his career where he failed to take a knee, a fumble occurred, and a loss ensued. His 2018 Oregon team lost to Stanford when he could have ran the clock out with a kneel down, but a fumble occurred and subsequent loss. The man has not learned his lesson. I find it so profound for such a person that prides himself on paying attention to details.

How you do anything is how you do everything. -- Mario Cristobal
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Disagree with the bolded part. Hasselbeck and the other dude were calling it out in real time in the ACC Network broadcast. It was an obvious stupid move and was one of those things where, even if you get away with it this time, you know it’s gonna backfire on you next time. Shotgun snap and handoff with :34 seconds left and no timeouts for the other team. There’s a reason everyone is piling on.

You’re right, the man hadn’t learned his lesson. We’re left wondering if he’s even learned it after this disaster.
 
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I needed a day before I could post about this atrocity.

Absolutely inexcusable.

Craziest thing i just happened to me on my team 2 weeks ago. Up 4 with 12 seconds left at the opponent 40. I run into the line and the RB was about to dive but I pressed the wrong button and I got hit sticked and my 10 year old son picked up the ball and ran it back for a crushing Madden loss. Infuriating. I broke a controller. But Mario is real ******* life.
 
rascon said:
Matt Lee knew why they ran. You can see it in that gif.
Someone needed to step up and tell Chaney “sorry you aren’t getting 100 tonight, we are in victory formation,“

The team is in trouble, because they know the truth.

Calling plays at the end is what I do in Madden, not what you do in real life.
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When I lose a couple straight in Madden and really want to get a win, I knee it and secure my **** so I can go to sleep a winner. It’s a way different sleep when you go to sleep a winner vs a loser. With the way that game went, TVD, refs, all of it, you secure the W.

Maybe this is the fire we needed. Maybe if we would’ve beat them by 21+ we would’ve gone in to chapel hill ****y. I’ll take this loss if it means we win out. But we could easily go off the rails and that is exactly why you secure the W when you can.
 
armandose23 said:
When I lose a couple straight in Madden and really want to get a win, I knee it and secure my **** so I can go to sleep a winner. It’s a way different sleep when you go to sleep a winner vs a loser. With the way that game went, TVD, refs, all of it, you secure the W.

Maybe this is the fire we needed. Maybe if we would’ve beat them by 21+ we would’ve gone in to chapel hill ****y. I’ll take this loss if it means we win out. But we could easily go off the rails and that is exactly why you secure the W when you can.
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You really think real time college football is similar to what you do in Madden? You need to think about that statement.
 
SJMPARMAN said:
You really think real time college football is similar to what you do in Madden? You need to think about that statement.
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Don’t understand what you’re trying to say? I’m saying that, even in Madden, I kneel it when I need a big win. Is that not what Mario was supposed to do there at the end?

I think I gave it sufficient thought to make the connection between the two (needing the win) before I made the statement. I think, you thought about the statement way too deeply and the analogy might’ve gotten a little hazy for you.

If you don’t think Mario should’ve called for a kneel there, don’t worry, you weren’t the only person at Hard Rock stadium that thought that way.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
One interesting fact that I was completely unaware of until a YouTuber pointed it out. In each of the previous 4 games, Mario has run the ball to end the game. No QB has taken a knee. The difference is, this was the only game where the lead was one score.

It's rather profound. If there were no "called" fumble, nobody would have given it a thought. Perhaps this is why Mario didn't think twice about running the ball. He never gave kneeling a thought. For whatever reason, it's not in his coaching DNA.

The thing I find disturbing is this is the 2nd time in his career where he failed to take a knee, a fumble occurred, and a loss ensued. His 2018 Oregon team lost to Stanford when he could have ran the clock out with a kneel down, but a fumble occurred and subsequent loss. The man has not learned his lesson. I find it so profound for such a person that prides himself on paying attention to details.

How you do anything is how you do everything. -- Mario Cristobal
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Didn’t a poster on here shared an article where Dawson is basically saying he’s going to be aggressive no matter the situation? Like if we’re trying to drain the clock, he’s still going pass. If so, that explains everything from running last night and the 4 games preceding last night.
 
lauderdaleballer said:
Didn’t a poster on here shared an article where Dawson is basically saying he’s going to be aggressive no matter the situation? Like if we’re trying to drain the clock, he’s still going pass. If so, that explains everything from running last night and the 4 games preceding last night.
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No. You're taking what he said completely out of context.

What Dawson was referring to is known as the 4-minute offense where basically you're trying to run the clock down to end the game. Most teams will just run the ball and wind up punting because the opposing team knows your trying to milk the clock by running the ball so they load the box. So, Dawson would remain aggressive and throw the ball when the defense overloads the box to stop the run rather than just running it 3 times and punting.

What happened last night, is that the game was already decided and GT had no more timeouts to stop the clock. We had already executed our 4-minute offense successfully. The game was over. Go into victory formation, take a knee, then celebrate the win. There is no need to keep running plays.

I have no idea why Mario does this. I think Dawson needs to take some of the blame, but Mario is the head coach. He's in charge. Mario has to have some weird reason why he doesn't take a knee at the end of games. Whatever his reason, it's foolish and makes him look incompetent because you don't take unnecessary risks of a turnover and/or injuries to your players.
 
ddann said:
Disagree with the bolded part. Hasselbeck and the other dude were calling it out in real time in the ACC Network broadcast. It was an obvious stupid move and was one of those things where, even if you get away with it this time, you know it’s gonna backfire on you next time. Shotgun snap and handoff with :34 seconds left and no timeouts for the other team. There’s a reason everyone is piling on.

You’re right, the man hadn’t learned his lesson. We’re left wondering if he’s even learned it after this disaster.
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Yep the shot gun snap was ridiculous too for that time.... too many things can go wrong.
 
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OldhamA said:
The fact that GT could go 70 yards in about 10 seconds suggests that my worries were true - we're not good enough yet for all the talk. The secondary is still meh and the DLine is good, not great.
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This is what I find so difficult to reconcile. The passing offense we faced in GT came into the game as a top 10 passing attack and before they got the ball back and went 74 yards in 3 plays, our defense had held them to 77 yards passing for the game.

I think when we look at the defense just completely collapsing at the end we have to take into consideration that our offense was getting ready to snap the ball and end the game. The defensive players were already done with the game both physically, mentally and emotionally and for them to all of a sudden get called back out onto the field having to save a win was just too much for them.

Don't misunderstand. Even with the job the secondary did for 99% of the game I can still see that the defensive backfield is still a work in progress but I think they will continue to improve throughout the season.

I think the DL is solid and in my opinion they are playing way over their collective heads and that speaks volumes about Lance Guidry and the incredible job he has done. We are #9 in total defense and #1 in rush defense. Truly remarkable and it's really sad that Mario's lack of awareness will take away the focus that should be on our defense for the excellent performance they gave last night.
 
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Does anyone see a silver lining in Mario now running up the score a ton? Run Tempo when things are clicking and stop with the look to the sidelines ****. Also, more deep passes especially when the D is running robber roles at safety. Harrel on the GO was open all freaking night because they had that safety looking in the backfield on the RPO.

The second silver lining- they will be teaching Tyler how to run out the clock. It wasn't just the last 3 offensive plays that were bad (should have been kneeling). They wouldn't have even gotten to that 2nd down snap let alone 3rd down if Tyler stopped getting the ball with 10-15 seconds left on that drive. Don't leave the huddle until 15 seconds on the play clock and don't snap until 1-3 seconds left.
 
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90scane said:
Does anyone see a silver lining in Mario now running up the score a ton? Run Tempo when things a clicking and stop with the look to the sidelines ****. Also, more deep passes especially when the D is running robber roles at safety. Harrel on the GO was open all freaking night because they had that safety looking in the backfield on the RPO.

The second silver lining- they will be teaching Tyler how to run out the clock. It wasn't just the last 3 offensive plays that were bad (should have been kneeling). They wouldn't have even gotten to that 2nd down snap let alone 3rd down if Tyler stopped getting the ball with 10-15 seconds left on that drive. Don't leave the huddle until 15 seconds on the play clock and don't snap until 1-3 seconds left.
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I think he goes other way, more conservative.. slower pace, micromanage every snap, taking knee with multiple timeouts into half.. etc.

Also announcer was calling TVD all drive for having players hold their stance for 20+ seconds at line of scrimmage.. He called him out multiple times and it was true, said he should keep them in huddle until its time to line down and take clock down to 1 sec. We were snapping with soo much time on clock
 
90scane said:
If so, I can't see this ending well for him.
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Joel Klatt on his show was saying this is something that can fracture trust of players in the coach, so its possible. You have shots of guys crying on sideline, your team leader on camera saying "what the **** are we doing?!" and Mario essentially throwing anyone under the bus immediately after in postgame remarks about two hands on the ball and ****.. Its not a good look..

Ill see if Klatt clipped it from his show and will post..
 
Number1CanesFan said:
One interesting fact that I was completely unaware of until a YouTuber pointed it out. In each of the previous 4 games, Mario has run the ball to end the game. No QB has taken a knee. The difference is, this was the only game where the lead was one score.

It's rather profound. If there were no "called" fumble, nobody would have given it a thought. Perhaps this is why Mario didn't think twice about running the ball. He never gave kneeling a thought. For whatever reason, it's not in his coaching DNA.

The thing I find disturbing is this is the 2nd time in his career where he failed to take a knee, a fumble occurred, and a loss ensued. His 2018 Oregon team lost to Stanford when he could have ran the clock out with a kneel down, but a fumble occurred and subsequent loss. The man has not learned his lesson. I find it so profound for such a person that prides himself on paying attention to details.

How you do anything is how you do everything. -- Mario Cristobal
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How many of us before they ran that play, in that situation, were thinking to kneel? So I don't think that was the case at all. It may have been ultimately inconsequential if not fumbled but people who understand the rules of football were definitely questioning it.

I think someone already mentioned it. We have analysts up in the booth. We have analytics and football situations involving whether to go for a 2 point conversion or not, etc. This is one of those deals where analytics involving time, play clocks, and downs comes into play like other football situations. Someone needs to chime in and state the obvious, if not the head coach (maybe he has other things that are distracting him at the moment) but there is enough staff for someone to oversee this part.

Hopefully this now gets fixed. And it is a relatively easy fix to make.
 
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