Heather Dinich singes the NCAA- BIG TIME

[The Franchise]

F#cking Sands cracks me up. My dude is relentless.

 

[Ethnicsands]

F#cking Sands cracks me up. My dude is relentless.

I'm under fire merely for having disputed the notion that DS has been flawless in respect of the football program, this investigation, or both.

If these attacks continue, I'm going to have to go all Pete Ariz on these mofos and start quoting Rick Ross.

 

[The Franchise]

F#cking Sands cracks me up. My dude is relentless.

I'm under fire merely for having disputed the notion that DS has been flawless in respect of the football program, this investigation, or both.

If these attacks continue, I'm going to have to go all Pete Ariz on these mofos and start quoting Rick Ross.

Is Aziz another one of these alter ego posters? I can't keep up with the ***gotry of all the double names around here.

 

[Ethnicsands]

F#cking Sands cracks me up. My dude is relentless.

I'm under fire merely for having disputed the notion that DS has been flawless in respect of the football program, this investigation, or both.

If these attacks continue, I'm going to have to go all Pete Ariz on these mofos and start quoting Rick Ross.

Is Aziz another one of these alter ego posters? I can't keep up with the ***gotry of all the double names around here.

He's the fourteen year old recruiting guru who routinely steps in it in the most humiliating of ways on the WEZ board.

 

[DCH]

Oh, good, another Donna Shalala thread.

 

[Chrisarg72]

I agree with Ethnic here for the most part. Under that woman's watch there have been 3 huge mistakes, from a football perspective, that have really set this program back (even before the Shapiro fiasco)

Extending Coker
Hiring Shannon
Extending Shannon.

Two coaches who you can argue are among the worst to be handed the keys to a division 1 program anywhere in the country over the last 15 years. Two coaches who were never even considered for another major job, despite the fact their resume's read "U of M head coach". ****...one of those 2 is even rocking a National Championship title.

Conversely I'm fully aware that overall from the school's perspective she's done A LOT of good for the school. She excels in the political forum....so this is where I expect her to come through and make up for those mistakes by using her "power/connections" to make this NCAA investigation go away.

But let's please stop acting like she's played this beautifully. At the end of the day we're staring at an investigation that hasn't gone away and all indications are the NCAA is still going to try to rape us. If this is all part of that master plan and she's about to turn the turn on the NCAA...well....we're watching.

If that turns out to be the case I think most rational Cane fans will forgive her for those 3 aforementioned sins....at least I will. But at this point I'm still skeptical.

You are confusing the Athletic Director with the President of the university. Those three errors were AD errors, Shalala just gives the AD the signed check, the AD chooses who it goes to. The President of the university has more important things to do, as in run the university

LMAO. You are seriously claiming that DS didn't have a role in the hiring of Coker and Shannon (and Golden)? Wow.

Ya she did, she signed the check. PErsonally I think Shalala obviously cares about the football team, but not as a fan. She is not opposed to the institution like Foote, but by no means is it her greatest priority. Her greatest priority is too build an amazing school, with great academic resources and prestige. That is her primary job. Is football part of it? Yes it brings revenue and creates a campus atmosphere which is irreplaceable, but by no means is it number one on her list. Nor should it be, she is the president of a University, not the GM of an NFL team. She is not an expert on football, she hasn't studied or played the game. She also probably doesnt keep up with trends around the CFB world. You know who does? The AD, the guy who is director of ATHLETICS. His biggest job is to monitor all that stuff, his biggest priority is football and basketball coaches and based on the results depends if he holds his job. All Shalala does is choose the AD, and tell him how much he can spend. The AD can ask for more, or less, but except for a rabid alumni being president, football coaching decisions is usually left to the AD, with Shalala just signing off on it.

 

[monkey1371]

I agree with Ethnic here for the most part. Under that woman's watch there have been 3 huge mistakes, from a football perspective, that have really set this program back (even before the Shapiro fiasco)

Extending Coker
Hiring Shannon
Extending Shannon.

Two coaches who you can argue are among the worst to be handed the keys to a division 1 program anywhere in the country over the last 15 years. Two coaches who were never even considered for another major job, despite the fact their resume's read "U of M head coach". ****...one of those 2 is even rocking a National Championship title.

Conversely I'm fully aware that overall from the school's perspective she's done A LOT of good for the school. She excels in the political forum....so this is where I expect her to come through and make up for those mistakes by using her "power/connections" to make this NCAA investigation go away.

But let's please stop acting like she's played this beautifully. At the end of the day we're staring at an investigation that hasn't gone away and all indications are the NCAA is still going to try to rape us. If this is all part of that master plan and she's about to turn the turn on the NCAA...well....we're watching.

If that turns out to be the case I think most rational Cane fans will forgive her for those 3 aforementioned sins....at least I will. But at this point I'm still skeptical.

You are confusing the Athletic Director with the President of the university. Those three errors were AD errors, Shalala just gives the AD the signed check, the AD chooses who it goes to. The President of the university has more important things to do, as in run the university

LMAO. You are seriously claiming that DS didn't have a role in the hiring of Coker and Shannon (and Golden)? Wow.

Please cite the numerous examples of Presidents of Universities going against the recommendations of the AD in the hiring of a head Football and Basketball coaches?

According that quote....It must happen all the time.

The President of the University knows more about hiring Football and Basketball coaches that anybody else at a school.....


Amusing how Shalala was suppposed to disagree and challenge the recommendations of Paul Dee the AD since 1993 and oversaw the football team rebuild from severe sanctions to the most dominant team in the History of College Football.....

She was supposed to disregard his recommendations according to Ethnic.....The crap people post.:rollcanes:

 

[LuCane]

I agree with Ethnic here for the most part. Under that woman's watch there have been 3 huge mistakes, from a football perspective, that have really set this program back (even before the Shapiro fiasco)

Extending Coker
Hiring Shannon
Extending Shannon.

Two coaches who you can argue are among the worst to be handed the keys to a division 1 program anywhere in the country over the last 15 years. Two coaches who were never even considered for another major job, despite the fact their resume's read "U of M head coach". ****...one of those 2 is even rocking a National Championship title.

Conversely I'm fully aware that overall from the school's perspective she's done A LOT of good for the school. She excels in the political forum....so this is where I expect her to come through and make up for those mistakes by using her "power/connections" to make this NCAA investigation go away.

But let's please stop acting like she's played this beautifully. At the end of the day we're staring at an investigation that hasn't gone away and all indications are the NCAA is still going to try to rape us. If this is all part of that master plan and she's about to turn the turn on the NCAA...well....we're watching.

If that turns out to be the case I think most rational Cane fans will forgive her for those 3 aforementioned sins....at least I will. But at this point I'm still skeptical.

You are confusing the Athletic Director with the President of the university. Those three errors were AD errors, Shalala just gives the AD the signed check, the AD chooses who it goes to. The President of the university has more important things to do, as in run the university

LMAO. You are seriously claiming that DS didn't have a role in the hiring of Coker and Shannon (and Golden)? Wow.

Please cite the numerous examples of Presidents of Universities going against the recommendations of the AD in the hiring of a head Football and Basketball coaches?

According that quote....It must happen all the time.

The President of the University knows more about hiring Football and Basketball coaches that anybody else at a school.....

Well, then, **** my life. I love what Shalala has done for the University from an academic and brand standpoint, but in her 12 years here, she has hired:

Perry Clark
Larry Coker
Frank Haith
Randy Shannon
Al Golden
Jim Larranaga

I think the only reasonable conclusion from that list is that she needed to learn twice in each sport before going with what seems now like the correct selection.

Let's just say I hope she relies on someone else who "knows more about hiring Football and Basketball coaches."

 

[monkey1371]

Well, then, **** my life. I love what Shalala has done for the University from an academic and brand standpoint, but in her 12 years here, she has hired:

Perry Clark
Larry Coker
Frank Haith
Randy Shannon
Al Golden
Jim Larranaga

I think the only reasonable conclusion from that list is that she needed to learn twice in each sport before going with what seems now like the correct selection.

Let's just say I hope she relies on someone else who "knows more about hiring Football and Basketball coaches."

As Stated Above.....

Was she supposed to go against the word of Paul Dee?......Lets look at his track record at that point.

1) Hired Butch Davis.......Pretty **** good decision.
2) When hired had a Men's Baskeball coach with a 34-80 record after his 4th season......Did he fire him or give him more time? How did that work out with Leonard Hamilton?
3) Hired Jim Morris who went on to Win 2 National Titles in then next 8 years.

So you guys want to play this REVISIONIST HISTORY with what Paul Dee's track record was at that point 2000?

In what imaginary world should any president or any school been in a position to challenge Paul Dee's recommendations at that time?

Obviously she should have known not to trust Paul Dee at that point in time......Like I said....the crap people post.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Anyone who thinks DS had or has no role in hiring the head football coach is just misinformed, to use a polite term.

And anyone who thinks that role is nothing other than a thumbs up or thumbs down on the AD's recommendation is, again, just misinformed.

And DS was particularly supportive of the Shannon hiring, in any case. Dee was on his way out and DS loved the Randy Shannon 'story.'

I think a lot of folks here don't know much about management.

 

[monkey1371]

Anyone who thinks DS had or has no role in hiring the head football coach is just misinformed, to use a polite term.

And anyone who thinks that role is nothing other than a thumbs up or thumbs down on the AD's recommendation is, again, just misinformed.

And DS was particularly supportive of the Shannon hiring, in any case. Dee was on his way out and DS loved the Randy Shannon 'story.'

I think a lot of folks here don't know much about management.

Obviously you don't know anything about management either.....

How does it work? Lets apply actual practical, real world scenarios.

CEO of a large corporation....pick any industry. Technology, Marketing, Automotive, etc....

Lets use a fictional company that makes "Widgets"....

That CEO has multiple different departments reporting to them, Accounting, Marketing, Technology, Manufacturing, Operations, etc.....

Technology (which has a spotless record...AKA Paul Dee at that point) comes in and says we need to make a change to scale up. We have several choices in Database, Operating System and Software choices? However we recommend the following choice for the following reasons....

Ethnic.....Your position is that the CEO should know what the best course of action should be for the Technology department and know more about their area of expertise than they do correct?

HOW? Enlighten me....Then when accounting comes....The CEO should know more about Accounting then the Head of Accounting as well.

This is exactly what you expect of the President of a University.....It is Bizarro World.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Anyone who thinks DS had or has no role in hiring the head football coach is just misinformed, to use a polite term.

And anyone who thinks that role is nothing other than a thumbs up or thumbs down on the AD's recommendation is, again, just misinformed.

And DS was particularly supportive of the Shannon hiring, in any case. Dee was on his way out and DS loved the Randy Shannon 'story.'

I think a lot of folks here don't know much about management.

Obviously you don't know anything about management either.....

How does it work? Lets apply actual practical, real world scenarios.

CEO of a large corporation....pick any industry. Technology, Marketing, Automotive, etc....

Lets use a fictional company that makes "Widgets"....

That CEO has multiple different departments reporting to them, Accounting, Marketing, Technology, Manufacturing, Operations, etc.....

Technology (which has a spotless record...AKA Paul Dee at that point) comes in and says we need to make a change to scale up. We have several choices in Database, Operating System and Software choices? However we recommend the following choice for the following reasons....

Ethnic.....Your position is that the CEO should know what the best course of action should be for the Technology department and know more about their area of expertise than they do correct?

HOW? Enlighten me....Then when accounting comes....The CEO should know more about Accounting then the Head of Accounting as well.

This is exactly what you expect of the President of a University.....It is Bizarro World.

With all due respect, I have to tell you, you are drowning here. I know more than my share about management. Your analogy is so obviously flawed it's not worth responding to. It's just a fact that you're wrong, and you are clearly demonstrating your ignorance on the topic of management here.

 

[monkey1371]

Anyone who thinks DS had or has no role in hiring the head football coach is just misinformed, to use a polite term.

And anyone who thinks that role is nothing other than a thumbs up or thumbs down on the AD's recommendation is, again, just misinformed.

And DS was particularly supportive of the Shannon hiring, in any case. Dee was on his way out and DS loved the Randy Shannon 'story.'

I think a lot of folks here don't know much about management.

Obviously you don't know anything about management either.....

How does it work? Lets apply actual practical, real world scenarios.

CEO of a large corporation....pick any industry. Technology, Marketing, Automotive, etc....

Lets use a fictional company that makes "Widgets"....

That CEO has multiple different departments reporting to them, Accounting, Marketing, Technology, Manufacturing, Operations, etc.....

Technology (which has a spotless record...AKA Paul Dee at that point) comes in and says we need to make a change to scale up. We have several choices in Database, Operating System and Software choices? However we recommend the following choice for the following reasons....

Ethnic.....Your position is that the CEO should know what the best course of action should be for the Technology department and know more about their area of expertise than they do correct?

HOW? Enlighten me....Then when accounting comes....The CEO should know more about Accounting then the Head of Accounting as well.

This is exactly what you expect of the President of a University.....It is Bizarro World.

With all due respect, I have to tell you, you are drowning here. I know more than my share about management. Your analogy is so obviously flawed it's not worth responding to. It's just a fact that you're wrong, and you are clearly demonstrating your ignorance on the topic of management here.

Cop out.....Come tell me. Please explain how I am ignorant and my example is flawed.

Your post is the post that someone resorts to when they have been obviously destroyed in an argument and has no real response.....

- Please explain why a CEO should be an expert in EVERY SINGLE DISCIPLINE AND DIVISION OF A LARGE COMPANY and not rely on the respective heads of those departments to run them?
- Please explain why the President of a University should know more about hiring a football coach than the successful Athletic Director of the school?

with baited breath......

 

[Ethnicsands]

Anyone who thinks DS had or has no role in hiring the head football coach is just misinformed, to use a polite term.

And anyone who thinks that role is nothing other than a thumbs up or thumbs down on the AD's recommendation is, again, just misinformed.

And DS was particularly supportive of the Shannon hiring, in any case. Dee was on his way out and DS loved the Randy Shannon 'story.'

I think a lot of folks here don't know much about management.

Obviously you don't know anything about management either.....

How does it work? Lets apply actual practical, real world scenarios.

CEO of a large corporation....pick any industry. Technology, Marketing, Automotive, etc....

Lets use a fictional company that makes "Widgets"....

That CEO has multiple different departments reporting to them, Accounting, Marketing, Technology, Manufacturing, Operations, etc.....

Technology (which has a spotless record...AKA Paul Dee at that point) comes in and says we need to make a change to scale up. We have several choices in Database, Operating System and Software choices? However we recommend the following choice for the following reasons....

Ethnic.....Your position is that the CEO should know what the best course of action should be for the Technology department and know more about their area of expertise than they do correct?

HOW? Enlighten me....Then when accounting comes....The CEO should know more about Accounting then the Head of Accounting as well.

This is exactly what you expect of the President of a University.....It is Bizarro World.

With all due respect, I have to tell you, you are drowning here. I know more than my share about management. Your analogy is so obviously flawed it's not worth responding to. It's just a fact that you're wrong, and you are clearly demonstrating your ignorance on the topic of management here.

Cop out.....Come tell me. Please explain how I am ignorant and my example is flawed.

Your post is the post that someone resorts to when they have been obviously destroyed in an argument and has no real response.....

- Please explain why a CEO should be an expert in EVERY SINGLE DISCIPLINE AND DIVISION OF A LARGE COMPANY and not rely on the respective heads of those departments to run them?
- Please explain why the President of a University should know more about hiring a football coach than the successful Athletic Director of the school?

with baited breath......

Dude, you are a complete moron.

Your example is retarded. This is not a tech decision about what server to upgrade. And by the way, increasingly, any CEO who isn't in the loop on enterprise-level IT decisions is a CEO who is waiting to get fired.

This is a decision about hiring someone who is probably the most visible face of the University. Whose area of responsibility (football program) is a huge driver of donations and reputation and PR.

The strawmen you've created to try to slink out the back door here are also as weak as anything I've seen. Actually, weaker than any I've seen.

Who claimed the CEO should 'know more' than an AD about hiring someone? If a CEO wasn't involved in decisions other than when he or she knows the most about the matter being decided, they'd sit alone in a dark room. No one here has claimed the President has to know the most about that decision. The statement was that she was actively involved in the decision. If you don't understand that distinction, then you're truly the dumbest porster here.

Who claimed a CEO should be an 'expert' in 'EVERY SINGLE DISCIPLINE AND DIVISION OF A LARGE COMPANY'? No one, is who. Again, a retarded argument you made up here to try to spin and deflect. CEOs are involved in major decisions and decisions that relate to public perception of their operations. And if they're not, they're not doing their jobs. But DS was. That's not really disputable, IMO.

Honestly, bruh, you are truly an idiot.

 

[LuCane]

Well, then, **** my life. I love what Shalala has done for the University from an academic and brand standpoint, but in her 12 years here, she has hired:

Perry Clark
Larry Coker
Frank Haith
Randy Shannon
Al Golden
Jim Larranaga

I think the only reasonable conclusion from that list is that she needed to learn twice in each sport before going with what seems now like the correct selection.

Let's just say I hope she relies on someone else who "knows more about hiring Football and Basketball coaches."

As Stated Above.....

Was she supposed to go against the word of Paul Dee?......Lets look at his track record at that point.

1) Hired Butch Davis.......Pretty **** good decision.
2) When hired had a Men's Baskeball coach with a 34-80 record after his 4th season......Did he fire him or give him more time? How did that work out with Leonard Hamilton?
3) Hired Jim Morris who went on to Win 2 National Titles in then next 8 years.

So you guys want to play this REVISIONIST HISTORY with what Paul Dee's track record was at that point 2000?

In what imaginary world should any president or any school been in a position to challenge Paul Dee's recommendations at that time?

Obviously she should have known not to trust Paul Dee at that point in time......Like I said....the crap people post.

So in your world, a leader gets credit for good decisions, but pushes blame to others for bad decisions (on the heels of previous bad decisions)?

Drop the attitude. No one has answered you with commentary personally attacking you. It's neither welcomed or needed around here. Your ellipses don't exactly place you in the strongest of lights to begin with...........

 

[CaneWasher]

With all due respect, I have to tell you, you are drowning here. I know more than my share about ___________. Your analogy is so obviously flawed it's not worth responding to. It's just a fact that you're wrong, and you are clearly demonstrating your ignorance on the topic of __________ here.

This is going to be my standard response from now on. I can be a condescending prick without actually saying anything. Ethnic (sic) has made it work for nearly 13,000 posts.

 

[monkey1371]

Ethnic,

So what are *****ing about then.....She was involved. So what?

Yes or No....Should she have gone against the word of Paul Dee back in 2000 in hiring Coker and why?

 

[Ethnicsands]

Ethnic,

So what are *****ing about then.....She was involved. So what?

Yes or No....Should she have gone against the word of Paul Dee back in 2000 in hiring Coker and why?

First of all, I didn't come here *****ing. You have a bunch of idiots who are throwing around statements like she's been God's gift to the football program, and I disagree.

Secondly, her being involved is significant. She's the Chief Executive. It means she bears responsibility for the bad decisions. She'd tell you that herself, if she's honest.

Thirdly, your narrow question is self-serving and deceptive. I think hiring Coker was a dumb decision, but I'll grant her that one partly because it led to a title and partly because she didn't know what she didn't know back then. Extending him was questionable, hiring Shannon was truly an awful, unjustifiable decision, extending Shannon was a dumb decision, etc.

 

[Ethnicsands]

With all due respect, I have to tell you, you are drowning here. I know more than my share about ___________. Your analogy is so obviously flawed it's not worth responding to. It's just a fact that you're wrong, and you are clearly demonstrating your ignorance on the topic of __________ here.

This is going to be my standard response from now on. I can be a condescending prick without actually saying anything. Ethnic (sic) has made it work for nearly 13,000 posts.

You're welcome to send me a nickel every time you try to emulate me, but I have to caution you, you're not talented or knowledgeable enough to pull it off.

 

[LuCane]

Ethnic,

So what are *****ing about then.....She was involved. So what?

Yes or No....Should she have gone against the word of Paul Dee back in 2000 in hiring Coker and why?

I think most get your point, but I would have genuinely questioned the rationale in the same way I did back then. It was a shortsighted decision. If I'm CEO of a company whose brand is heavily affected by a particular specialty (here, athletics), I ensure the decision is made as thoroughly as possible instead of solely relying on my VP of _______ (as you've indicated she did with Paul Dee).

But, what I'm more upset about is that decision/mistake was followed up by the decision to promote Randy Shannon from within a failed culture. And, as far as we know, she played a significant role in giving Randy and his organized binder an opportunity. She's accountable for that mistake. I don't know how that can be argued.