Has Golden lost the team?

[guccinikes]

too predictable in our scheme...it works when a team makes a mistake like fla...flaws are always covered when we win and i was on the train fa sho...exposed like montreal when we hang back and let the game come to is...who plays like that at this level? even madden when your boy hits you with the same play u switch to nickel or fire blitz or something just to change the look...golden cant make excuses like saying players didnt make a play...how could they?

 

[Duvalco.Cane]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

****. Nailed it.

 

[hoops156]

I think the players on defense don't put forth the effort to learn whatever the **** coach D is teaching them. And since they don't understand, they don't use their instincts and instead have to read then react. Most of them are prolly frustrated as ****, which is why we saw them basically give up today.

I still believe the system CAN work, just not with these players. But since they aren't going anywhere and they aren't buying in, you almost have to change it or else it's only going down hill from here.

We don't have the leaders on this team to pick each other up. Everyone collectively gives no ****s on defense. No passion whatsoever on that side.

**** the system. fire coach D or adjust to the talent u have. morris has no leadership qualities. he doesn't do anything to get this team fired up and his post game press conferences makes it sound like he's just ready to graduate.

 

[hoops156]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm so sick of this talent argument. Of course the talent is not where it needs to be, no one will argue it is, but our talent is not THIS bad. Duke's QB had 0 TD and 7 INT in the last 2 games. Duke's offense was pathetic all year aside from one game (Pitt). They put up 48 points and 550 yards. VT was horrendous on offense and put up 42 points and 500+ yards in a monsoon, and then went back to being pathetic against a horrible Maryland team at home. A Maryland team that lost to FSU 63-0 and Wake 34-10. You cannot tell me all these other crappy *** ACC teams (and C-USA teams that shut down VT too) have better talent than Miami.

Yeah. The talent debate is old and tired. Anyone still clinging to it should go sit in a running car in the garage tonight.

they bought that car from Al!

 

[bobbydigius]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm gonna ask a question, were you one of those this off season that thought our team was poised to possibly win the ACC? Cause all I remember is posters talking this and that about our talent and now it's a different tune. This really reminds me of the Coker collapse and how half of every board refused to see how Coker was a corch. We roled out a bunch of freshmen and sophs last year on defense and we sucked. This year we brought back those exact same players plus a DT that was supposed to be our best and we suck just as bad. I didn't expect us to be great, in fact I suspected that out defense was once again gonna be weak but not bottom of the barrel weak. Oh yeah, our defense quit. When Duke manhandles you it means we quit. Finally through all of this, if you truly still think it's all talent then that is just as bad because it tells me that our current HC at Miami can't even identify the right players to field a defense that doesn't continuously give up 500 yds per game, cause everybody else can. One way or the other it's embarrassing and unacceptable.

 

[Gatorhater]

Like I said in the "some of the players hate the coaches" thread, I don't know if those gossip stories are true, but I know what I saw on the field. That defense looked like they did not want to be on the field, much less play enthusiastically for an ACC championship.

I have always thought that when teams make the same mistakes repeatedly it is the coaches. We have been seeing that on D for three years now. It might not be the Xs and Os but coaching means a lot. Look at USCw. I think when FSU pounded us, the team flipped the Kool Aid cooler over and are not drinking what is being served anymore-- especially on D. Without Duke on the field leading, we have nothing going for us. I thought the defense looked like it wanted to be somewhere else last week. This week I didn't notice because I was someplace else already. Spent the game at the slots in one of our many local casinos. At least there I had a chance of winning. Looks to me like Al has gone from owning the whole town three weeks ago to living in a broken marriage with Mark that nobody else wants any part of.

 

[Notsince1985]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

****. Nailed it.

****, you bought this crap? And the crap the coaches are spewing? He didn't nail ****.

 

[Notsince1985]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm so sick of this talent argument. Of course the talent is not where it needs to be, no one will argue it is, but our talent is not THIS bad. Duke's QB had 0 TD and 7 INT in the last 2 games. Duke's offense was pathetic all year aside from one game (Pitt). They put up 48 points and 550 yards. VT was horrendous on offense and put up 42 points and 500+ yards in a monsoon, and then went back to being pathetic against a horrible Maryland team at home. A Maryland team that lost to FSU 63-0 and Wake 34-10. You cannot tell me all these other crappy *** ACC teams (and C-USA teams that shut down VT too) have better talent than Miami.

This has gone on for two years now...clearly it is. Individually, perhaps not this bad, but combining their collective lack of Miami talent and this scheme they are not fit for, it makes for a perfect storm of doo doo butter. D'Onofrio should have been fired already, but its not a one way street.

So Marshall has better talent? ECU? Memphis? North Carolina Central? Troy? Navy? UVA? All of those teams held Duke and VT to less points and yards than we did. We don't have to look like Bama or FSU. We just have to stop being embarrassed. Duke ran 4 freaking plays. VT ran 3. We looked like we'd never seen any of them before.

The transitive property doesn't work in sports. We've been getting embarrassed for two years now. Both the talent and coordinator suck and/or aren't a fit for one another. You don't get a historically bad defense like this based on the lack of merit of one or the other.

It does to an extent. When Logan Thomas is horrible against every single team he faces except Miami, you have a problem. When Duke's offense cannot score or move the ball against anyone except Miami, you have a problem. I'm not saying Memphis is better than Miami because they lost to Duke by less. But you trust me, you're kidding yourself if you don't think there is a major issue when a horrible Maryland team makes VT look bad at home, but Miami makes them look like the '99 Rams in Miami. Or when Memphis can shut down Duke, but Miami makes look the '84 Marino led Dolphins.

The transitive property doesn't work for one week comparisons, but when VT's offense is bad over an entire season, and then they shine against Miami and when Duke's offense is bad over an entire season and then they shine against Miami, and when Wake's offense is bad over an entire season and they shine against Miami, etc. It works.

 

[Notsince1985]

The worst part, and the most telling to me, and why I should have never made this thread, because now, thinking about it, it is clear as day, is that the defense won't even play for each other. They won't even play for the team. They won't even play for the school. Do they hate Dorito and the situation that much? Are they fed up that much? Dammit mang. Pride is gone.

 

[PGCountySoulCane]

AG is a good guy. Not much debate on that, but if he's having an issue treading water right now it's due to being stubborn. You can't do everything you want regardless of the outcome. Nobody would call the man stupid but a mistake is a mistake. A mistake made repeatedly is stupidity.

The "It starts with me and we have to get it fixed" excuse is now tiring to me. Players are to blame for roughly half of all this, but the fact that the staff REFUSES to change after seeing the season literally being ripped from your control against VT is not the sign of a good leader. I was not a fan of AG when he got here because I felt that he had accomplished nothing but camaraderie at Temple with B. Pierce and M. Wilkerson being anomalies. As a fan you have to support everything under the banner, so I did. After 3 years you can no longer blame Randy. It's old and unfounded especially when he has been cutting Randy players left and right since he has been here, some deservedly and some not.

Question now is, will AG be the leader he demands from his players? Can't fit a square peg in a round hole.

 

[Dingaan1828]

I guess it would be inappropriate to self-impose another bowl ban.