Has Golden lost the team?

[HurricaneU]

I said in the game day thread I thought Al was losing this team. I think he can hold on. However, that defense **** sure gave up on Duhnofrio. Offensive players have no confidence in the defense and what is worse, the defensive players have no confidence in themselves, each other or their coaches.

Al needs to act decisively or he will lose the rest of the team going forward.

 

[Coach Macho]

I was asking myself the same thing.

The kids on defense don't even look like they care anymore. They don't look like they believe in the coaches.

 

[Cribby]

The defense has quit two weeks in a row. It's quite obvious by their body language.

It actually looks like they're totally *** whipped and defeated .

 

[BoxingRobes]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

 

[NVA CANE]

This season is over and these Players specifically on the defensive side of the ball are done. They give zero ***** about golden his pillars or his 400 page bull**** binder. It's Over.

 

[LA\^/]

I think the players on defense don't put forth the effort to learn whatever the **** coach D is teaching them. And since they don't understand, they don't use their instincts and instead have to read then react. Most of them are prolly frustrated as ****, which is why we saw them basically give up today.

I still believe the system CAN work, just not with these players. But since they aren't going anywhere and they aren't buying in, you almost have to change it or else it's only going down hill from here.

We don't have the leaders on this team to pick each other up. Everyone collectively gives no ***** on defense. No passion whatsoever on that side.

 

[SBAMACANE]

Program was set back at least 2 steps today. I'm afraid we would lose to the Sun belt champions now. Our Program has hit rock bottom. No other way to spin it. And yes, he has lost the team. I will go even further. If AG doesn't fire Dorito, Program will be off course for another 2 years.

 

[The Franchise]

I was asking myself the same thing.

The kids on defense don't even look like they care anymore. They don't look like they believe in the coaches.

Anyone who didn't see that is blind. They were going through the motions and have clearly cashed in their chips. They put up virtually no resistance and looked like a bunch of guys who know they stand no chance.

 

[SmokeyRone]

Send Fat Albert packing right ******* now!

 

[The Franchise]

This season is over and these Players specifically on the defensive side of the ball are done. They give zero ****s about golden his pillars or his 400 page bull**** binder. It's Over.

I betcha if anyone actually looked inside that stupid binder there'd be a bunch of retarded crayon drawings and boogers smeared all over the pages.

 

[guccinikes]

someone needs to find out what was said at halftime, or what wasnt done, up till halftime all three games were close...adjustments or the speech idk...from what i saw, fla st halftime spech or adjustment was the same one players heard for tech and then today...same thing over and over you start tunning it out, looking at each other, asking when they will be put in a positionto win by their coaches...perhaps even worse, they start thinking thes dam coaches are putting them in a position to lose...imagine that...duke and the team want to try something and expose a weakness, and instead they are told trust the process, stfu and stay in your place

 

[LuCane]

Like I said in the "some of the players hate the coaches" thread, I don't know if those gossip stories are true, but I know what I saw on the field. That defense looked like they did not want to be on the field, much less play enthusiastically for an ACC championship.

 

[Notsince1985]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm so sick of this talent argument. Of course the talent is not where it needs to be, no one will argue it is, but our talent is not THIS bad. Duke's QB had 0 TD and 7 INT in the last 2 games. Duke's offense was pathetic all year aside from one game (Pitt). They put up 48 points and 550 yards. VT was horrendous on offense and put up 42 points and 500+ yards in a monsoon, and then went back to being pathetic against a horrible Maryland team at home. A Maryland team that lost to FSU 63-0 and Wake 34-10. You cannot tell me all these other crappy *** ACC teams (and C-USA teams that shut down VT too) have better talent than Miami.

 

[NVA CANE]

Like I said in the "some of the players hate the coaches" thread, I don't know if those gossip stories are true, but I know what I saw on the field. That defense looked like they did not want to be on the field, much less play enthusiastically for an ACC championship.

I wouldn't be surprised if they would willingly forfeit 2 wins to not have that extra practice in the bowl season and play in that bowl game. These kids don't believe in the scheme and they are done with it and the coaches

 

[The Franchise]

Like I said in the "some of the players hate the coaches" thread, I don't know if those gossip stories are true, but I know what I saw on the field. That defense looked like they did not want to be on the field, much less play enthusiastically for an ACC championship.

Exactly what I saw. You can tell when a team has cashed in when they get pushed around so easily like we did today. Puke seemed like they gained at least 4 yards on every rush, and their QB ran at will right up the middle. He basically walked in for all of his TDs almost untouched right up the middle, and no one punished him. I don't even think he hit the ground on any of those TD runs between the Guards.

 

[The Franchise]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm so sick of this talent argument. Of course the talent is not where it needs to be, no one will argue it is, but our talent is not THIS bad. Duke's QB had 0 TD and 7 INT in the last 2 games. Duke's offense was pathetic all year aside from one game (Pitt). They put up 48 points and 550 yards. VT was horrendous on offense and put up 42 points and 500+ yards in a monsoon, and then went back to being pathetic against a horrible Maryland team at home. A Maryland team that lost to FSU 63-0 and Wake 34-10. You cannot tell me all these other crappy *** ACC teams (and C-USA teams that shut down VT too) have better talent than Miami.

Yeah. The talent debate is old and tired. Anyone still clinging to it should go sit in a running car in the garage tonight.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm so sick of this talent argument. Of course the talent is not where it needs to be, no one will argue it is, but our talent is not THIS bad. Duke's QB had 0 TD and 7 INT in the last 2 games. Duke's offense was pathetic all year aside from one game (Pitt). They put up 48 points and 550 yards. VT was horrendous on offense and put up 42 points and 500+ yards in a monsoon, and then went back to being pathetic against a horrible Maryland team at home. A Maryland team that lost to FSU 63-0 and Wake 34-10. You cannot tell me all these other crappy *** ACC teams (and C-USA teams that shut down VT too) have better talent than Miami.

This has gone on for two years now...clearly it is. Individually, perhaps not this bad, but combining their collective lack of Miami talent and this scheme they are not fit for, it makes for a perfect storm of doo doo butter. D'Onofrio should have been fired already, but its not a one way street.

 

[Notsince1985]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm so sick of this talent argument. Of course the talent is not where it needs to be, no one will argue it is, but our talent is not THIS bad. Duke's QB had 0 TD and 7 INT in the last 2 games. Duke's offense was pathetic all year aside from one game (Pitt). They put up 48 points and 550 yards. VT was horrendous on offense and put up 42 points and 500+ yards in a monsoon, and then went back to being pathetic against a horrible Maryland team at home. A Maryland team that lost to FSU 63-0 and Wake 34-10. You cannot tell me all these other crappy *** ACC teams (and C-USA teams that shut down VT too) have better talent than Miami.

This has gone on for two years now...clearly it is. Individually, perhaps not this bad, but combining their collective lack of Miami talent and this scheme they are not fit for, it makes for a perfect storm of doo doo butter. D'Onofrio should have been fired already, but its not a one way street.

So Marshall has better talent? ECU? Memphis? North Carolina Central? Troy? Navy? UVA? All of those teams held Duke and VT to less points and yards than we did. We don't have to look like Bama or FSU. We just have to stop being embarrassed. Duke ran 4 freaking plays. VT ran 3. We looked like we'd never seen any of them before.

 

[LuCane]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm so sick of this talent argument. Of course the talent is not where it needs to be, no one will argue it is, but our talent is not THIS bad. Duke's QB had 0 TD and 7 INT in the last 2 games. Duke's offense was pathetic all year aside from one game (Pitt). They put up 48 points and 550 yards. VT was horrendous on offense and put up 42 points and 500+ yards in a monsoon, and then went back to being pathetic against a horrible Maryland team at home. A Maryland team that lost to FSU 63-0 and Wake 34-10. You cannot tell me all these other crappy *** ACC teams (and C-USA teams that shut down VT too) have better talent than Miami.

This has gone on for two years now...clearly it is. Individually, perhaps not this bad, but combining their collective lack of Miami talent and this scheme they are not fit for, it makes for a perfect storm of doo doo butter. D'Onofrio should have been fired already, but its not a one way street.

So Marshall has better talent? ECU? Memphis? North Carolina Central? Troy? Navy? UVA? All of those teams held Duke and VT to less points and yards than we did. We don't have to look like Bama or FSU. We just have to stop being embarrassed. Duke ran 4 freaking plays. VT ran 3. We looked like we'd never seen any of them before.

All of this. I still haven't seen anyone give a decent response to this perspective.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I don't think he lost the team or the team quit on him per se...but this team is defeated. This team fought, hard, when things got tough against teams like GaTech, UNC, and Wake (which should say a lot about Miami's talent level since we were in dog fights against mid-level BCS teams). FSU kicked us in the balls and we haven't been able to put up a fight since.

This team needs a serious injection of high end talent. We just don't have it. Our roster is littered with three-star talent that play a ton of snaps. While I can't really **** on a lot of the players, there is just a certain ceiling these types of players hit, and it isn't up to the University of Miami standard. It is not AJ Highsmith's fault we're trotting him out there for a majority of snaps, he was a QB three years ago. Jimmy Gaines was a MAC recruit. Justin Renfrow couldn't start at Virginia. David Gilbert was about to retire. What do you expect?

The coaching staff also needs to figure out what its identity is, especially on defense. Your recruiting pool is South Florida. We're running a defense that is typically run by teams that have big, thick, strong, slower down linemen with bigger, slower linebackers. Our recruiting base offers the opposite of that. In the defensive backfield, we play zone. Yet, our recruiting base is filled with players that grow up playing press coverage man-to-man with the best athletes in the country since they are 7 years old. You either need to recruit different types of players (why would you do that?) or change up what you're doing.

On offense, we've had a QB that has a downfield arm but can't hit anything in front of 15 yards with consistent accuracy, yet our offense is all about short stuff and taking the occasional "calculated" shot down field. We want to run between between the tackles behind a line that average 320 pounds...but we have running backs that are 5-9 190 pounds.

I'm so sick of this talent argument. Of course the talent is not where it needs to be, no one will argue it is, but our talent is not THIS bad. Duke's QB had 0 TD and 7 INT in the last 2 games. Duke's offense was pathetic all year aside from one game (Pitt). They put up 48 points and 550 yards. VT was horrendous on offense and put up 42 points and 500+ yards in a monsoon, and then went back to being pathetic against a horrible Maryland team at home. A Maryland team that lost to FSU 63-0 and Wake 34-10. You cannot tell me all these other crappy *** ACC teams (and C-USA teams that shut down VT too) have better talent than Miami.

This has gone on for two years now...clearly it is. Individually, perhaps not this bad, but combining their collective lack of Miami talent and this scheme they are not fit for, it makes for a perfect storm of doo doo butter. D'Onofrio should have been fired already, but its not a one way street.

So Marshall has better talent? ECU? Memphis? North Carolina Central? Troy? Navy? UVA? All of those teams held Duke and VT to less points and yards than we did. We don't have to look like Bama or FSU. We just have to stop being embarrassed. Duke ran 4 freaking plays. VT ran 3. We looked like we'd never seen any of them before.

The transitive property doesn't work in sports. We've been getting embarrassed for two years now. Both the talent and coordinator suck and/or aren't a fit for one another. You don't get a historically bad defense like this based on the lack of merit of one or the other.