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gacaneaddict said:
Jeremiah Smith is already better than Marvin Harrison was at Ohio State.
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to be fair, Marvins Sophomore season and Smiths Freshman season were pretty similar.

Marvin:
77 catches 1263 yard, 16.4 clip, 14TDs in 13 games

Smith:

76 catches 1315 yards, 17.3 clip, 15TDs in 16 games

Marvin did it in 3 less games.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
CIS told me the Dawson is overrated/mid anyways & The #1 offense ALL Cam ward and nobody else. now ya'll dont want to lose him?
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I would prefer to keep Dawson for continuity but he’s not some untouchable coaching genius. His offense is great when the QB is dominating but so is everyone’s. I was less than impressed with his response to TVD’s issues. A great coach finds ways to work around player shortcomings.

I don’t dislike him. He’s better than most coordinators we’ve had. I just don’t think he’s anything special. He’s fine and he seems to get along well with Mario which isn’t the easiest thing to ask an OC to do.
 
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theribdoctor said:
to be fair, Marvins Sophomore season and Smiths Freshman season were pretty similar.

Marvin:
77 catches 1263 yard, 16.4 clip, 14TDs in 13 games

Smith:

76 catches 1315 yards, 17.3 clip, 15TDs in 16 games

Marvin did it in 3 less games.
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Aside from the obvious extra year experience, Harrison had CJ Stroud at quarterback. Smith had Will Howard. Harrison is a fine player but he’s not the athletic freak that JJ Smith is.

To me it’s comparing Harrison Sr. To Andre Johnson.
 
gacaneaddict said:
Not being a smart A, but you don't think Trader, Moore, Toney are elite? Of course they aren't Smith(who is in last 20 years), but I would say they are at least really close from prospect standpoint.

I think it's more SFE than Harline recruiting South Florida honestly, but that's me.
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Elite based on what?

If they were Elite, the Coaching staff & the fanbase wouldn't be clamoring for us to add another WR in the Portal for Spring.
 
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DTP said:
I would prefer to keep Dawson for continuity but he’s not some untouchable coaching genius. His offense is great when the QB is dominating but so is everyone’s. I was less than impressed with his response to TVD’s issues. A great coach finds ways to work around player shortcomings.

I don’t dislike him. He’s better than most coordinators we’ve had. I just don’t think he’s anything special. He’s fine and he seems to get along well with Mario which isn’t the easiest thing to ask an OC to do.
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And what great OC has worked around TVD's shortcomings?

Did he have a bounce back season in Wisconsin that we don't know about?
 
gacaneaddict said:
I mean I clearly distinguished Smith as above them, I would say elite elite

Toney had offers from Alabama, Florida, Oregon
Josh Moore's official visits were FSU, UF, UGA, Miami
Trader had offers from most all the big schools, but obviously had a tie to Miami.
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Now we are just making **** up.
 
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DTP said:
I would prefer to keep Dawson for continuity but he’s not some untouchable coaching genius. His offense is great when the QB is dominating but so is everyone’s. I was less than impressed with his response to TVD’s issues. A great coach finds ways to work around player shortcomings.

I don’t dislike him. He’s better than most coordinators we’ve had. I just don’t think he’s anything special. He’s fine and he seems to get along well with Mario which isn’t the easiest thing to ask an OC to do.
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TVD pretty much couldnt read defenses not much to work around lol you can try n keep him to one read but once defenses took that away he was cooked, not sure what u wanted the OC to do at that point other then bench him(which he essentially was) TVD also hasn’t figured it out anywhere else either so not sure that’s an indictment on Dawson.
 
Memnon said:
And what great OC has worked around TVD's shortcomings?

Did he have a bounce back season in Wisconsin that we don't know about?
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Maybe it's selective memory but I thought he had pretty good games under Lashley. It seemed the hurry up tempo and easy reads suited TVD better than having to go through his progressions in a more slowed down pace. And he is now back with Lashlee so will be interesting to see what happens over there because he is not a clear starter at SMU.
 
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gacaneaddict said:
Not being a smart A, but you don't think Trader, Moore, Toney are elite? Of course they aren't Smith(who is in last 20 years), but I would say they are at least really close from prospect standpoint.

I think it's more SFE than Harline recruiting South Florida honestly, but that's me.
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Toney hasn’t even stepped foot on a college field yet lol great prospect but there’s no way you can label him elite right now lol
 
Salt said:
Maybe it's selective memory but I thought he had pretty good games under Lashley. It seemed the hurry up tempo and easy reads suited TVD better than having to go through his progressions in a more slowed down pace. And he is now back with Lashlee so will be interesting to see what happens over there because he is not a clear starter at SMU.
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He did look good under lashlee but once the film was out and defenses realized he excelled versus man to man defense & playing zone and forcing him to make reads resulted in Interception parties that was all she wrote for Mr. TVD.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
He did look good under lashlee but once the film was out and defenses realized he excelled versus man to man defense & playing zone and forcing him to make reads resulted in Interception parties that was all she wrote for Mr. TVD.
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I think that was minimized some because as long as Lashlee had the pedal to the metal it was hard for defenses to adjust on the fly and make substitutions. Once Lashlee got you in a particular look his style of no huddle offense and tempo took advantage of it. Once things slowed down some under Dawson's offense you started to see the issues you are referring to.
 
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Salt said:
I think that was minimized some because as long as Lashlee had the pedal to the metal it was hard for defenses to adjust on the fly and make substitutions. Once Lashlee got you in a particular look his style of no huddle offense and tempo took advantage of it. Once things slowed down some under Dawson's offense you started to see the issues you are referring to.
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You’re right maybe lashlee can get him to be a decent system QB for him as he’s the only OC to get some type consistent play from him, but imo he’s just not all that good of a QB, we’ve seen him under another coaching staff @ wisky n by all accounts he couldn’t even really separate himself from the backup there smh I personally ain’t gonna scapegoat the coaching staff for him looking like 💩 here.
 
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