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Good article on our situation

OzarCaneSaw said:
We dodged three bullets with three sub par, far inferior teams and got monkey stomped by another with VaTech. The reason we absolutely need to win out is for recruiting purposes. My guess is that we will give up an average of 450+ yards over the next 3 games, regardless of win/loss. When you don't cause three and outs, you do not give your offense the opportunity to win games. Period. In spite of us playing what amounts to a prevent defense, we only have 2 losses. Thankfully we've had a weak *** schedule and our offense scored when needed.
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In all three of those close games it was the offense stinking up the field while the defense was keeping the team in the games. Did you forget about the 4 INT UNC game where Morris couldn't hit the side of a barn? You clowns are acting like the defense has been the problem all season long. **** we can thank the defense for the win against UF. Thank god they managed 5 turnovers and stopped a 4th and short because the offense was dead in the focking water.
 
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Consigliere said:
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What does SOS rank over 5 mean?
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fei

the site where he is basing his statistical information from.
 
The Franchise said:
Dorsett's loss is being overhyped by people looking for reasons for our failures. Coley's a better overall WR and just as good at getting open deep.
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Our most productive WR goes down at our thinnest unit & it's an overhyped loss? Hurns. Waters. Coley. That's it. No Scott. No Lewis. (not the real one anyway) No Carter/Lockhart. You don't win a lot of games with 3 viable WR's.
 
Very interesting article. Gave voice (in a more well-regarded form) to a lot of our concerns.

My only issue with it was the ending. He chose to focus on winning these last three games as if that would allow us to replicate our past turnaround.
I'd rather he have spent that time focusing on HOW to turn it around. And whether or not Golden and company have shown any inclination to do so.

Even if we win out, if we come back next year with the same philosophy and scheme.....we're hoping for marginal improvement. But we'll never be elite playing with this approach.
 
Not sure if everyone buys in, but this is a thoughtful, sobering, analytical view of Golden and the program.

It's hard for anyone to look into the future and determine the long-term significance of the next three games. The writer is citing past performance and a historical perspective. Having said that, if we don't win out I suspect it'll impact the program significantly. The Golden charm won't fly, patience lost, the honeymooon will definitely be over and there'll be a vastly different opinion of where the program is at.

Here's hoping for a solid finish.
 
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bottom line

we suck, we played bad teams and struggled and even lost...we are not that good...luck to be 7-2...

okay...
 
ilovelamp51 said:
The Franchise said:
Dorsett's loss is being overhyped by people looking for reasons for our failures. Coley's a better overall WR and just as good at getting open deep.
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Our most productive WR goes down at our thinnest unit & it's an overhyped loss? Hurns. Waters. Coley. That's it. No Scott. No Lewis. (not the real one anyway) No Carter/Lockhart. You don't win a lot of games with 3 viable WR's.
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How many WRs do we actually play at once? I don't think Dorsett's that great. He's pretty much a one-trick pony, and Coley can make up for that one trick, and run other routes better than Dorsett. He's a far better overall talent. Hurns is dynamite this year, and Waters is a very good 3rd receiver. Scott is available but not playing for some reason, so we can't be struggling that badly for depth.

On top of all that, if the corches had some imagination, they'd split Sandland out and create some mismatches with him.
 
Gamineal said:
bottom line

we suck, we played bad teams and struggled and even lost...we are not that good...luck to be 7-2...

okay...
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Its a team thats has no margin for error and commits a ton of them

also, I think its a great article, the only difference I see with 2009 though, is that Shannon was starting to lose recruiting steam, it seems as though Golden is trending the other way
 
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mapcane said:
Golden and Doh! are using the same ****ing excuses that every coach uses when their scheme and coaching is exploited and bent over the table like a two-bit hooker: namely, that it's the player's fault for not know their assignments. Dudes, most of our starters have been learning this scheme since at least August 2012. We don't start ANY freshmens. It's all sophomores and up. If you can't teach and properly implement a scheme over the span of almost two full ****ing seasons, including two fall camps and two spring camps, then something is wrong with your scheme, your coaching, and you're only recruiting dudes who score a 4 on the Wonderlic.

This season we have been a ****ing sham. I've felt it all along, and even expressed discomfort with the way we beat the Gaytors, but I've held out in overly criticizing anything unless we lost. But now that we have been humiliated twice in row, including once by a mediocre-at-best squad, it's time to be honest about what we're seeing on the field. We're seeing no facking progress. We got lucky that we played UF in a year where they are more than just "down," they're downright bad and just got lit up by Vandy. Otherwise, besides that win, what have we done? We beat USF and Savannah St, two teams that Central would woodshed, handily; looked like *** against FA-****ing-U; and then we've struggled against all of the mediocre ACC teams we've played (Wake, UNC, GT). And since those bull**** 7 wins, we've looked like a team that hasn't practiced all year. It's a joke.

I like Golden. I think he's incredibly organized and motivated, which are really the keys to good recruiting. But there is no evidence that he can coach our guys up. None. This year we have not beaten one, not one, good team. We're going to fail to win the ****ing Coastal Division of the ACC. These are his recruits; his kids. His last recruiting class was a ****ing **** -- not one immediate starter or major, bigtime contributor from the class thus far. His evaluations in his earlier classes look pretty ****-poor. He's fortunate because he can hide behind the unknown -- meaning, he can argue that recruiting has suffered greatly because of sanctions, but we really don't know that. How many of the kids we lost have come out and said that?

Again, as always, the key question is this: is Golden taking our talent and maximizing it, or not? I say NO, he's not. With someone like Art Briles at the helm, this team would have bukkaked VT. That's what this program needs. Not a spokesperson who handles the media well and wears cute ties. We need someone who can take South Florida talent and speed, and use it to create a schematic advantage over other teams. We need someone innovative. Recruiting alone is not enough. With our ****ty stadium situation, and our resources compared to other large schools, we're going to continue losing key local recruits to Bama, UGA, FSU, etc. That's not going to change. So, let's do the best we can to corral the local kids, and let's get someone who has shown the ability to implement schemes and football IQ in a manner that creates obvious results in excess of the actual talent on the field.

This is more of a directionless rant than anything else, but I'm just tired. I'm tired of getting my hopes up that this storied program can return to its previous heights, only to eventually be disappointed like the fat girl not being asked to prom.
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Artie Burns and Coley aren't contributing?

I agree with the gist of your post, but frankly relying on freshmen saviors doesn't work for anyone. What "key local recruits" are we losing exactly by the way? We just landed Moten tonight.....????

The gripes about everything else work, but lulz at the recruiting meltdown you just had.

No doubt about it we continue to **** the bed on the field it will affect recruiting. The biggest recruiting commitment we can land is firing dnofrio.
 
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Just because Golden has 2 full classes under his belt doesn't mean they we're filled with elite talent. Anyone pretending that we didn't miss out on some high level ballers because of the NCAA is in denial. Getting 1 standout WR and one standout DB or DL isn't considered having a great class full of talent. Look at our current class. We have 3 top flight DL commited. We have the potential to have 2-3 top flight WR commited. Al's vision of this program and what ppl want it to be today are two different things. All of the top programs today took years to build and we look at the finish product and want those results now. Over looking the fact those programs paid their dues and are playing majority of upper classmen now and reaping the benefits. Not to mention our starting QB has reached his talent ceiling of 59% completion.
 
One more loss and this season is a total failure.

Win out, and it's a dissapointing underachievement (not even close in the Coastal)
 
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Even if Miami drops another game 9-3 is about what I expected from this team. Losing 2 of your best playmakers on offense will hurt any team. Not having Duke has hurt this team just look at the pitiful running in the VT game. If Miami wins out and goes to a bowl game they have a chance at 11 wins even if they drop one on the way 10 wins is not that bad. Everyone got caught up in the 7-0 and forgot about the expectations coming into the season. A lot of " experts" were saying Miami would be lucky to win 7-8 games. There is no quality depth at key positions, RB, QB, DL, S, and LB. Losing Finnie and EJ hurt a lot. Golden covered the DL weakness in adding Gilbert, and Renfrow this off season. The defense is terrible and I think that is a mix of lack of depth, and coaching. Can I say that this season has been a success? At this point I can not say, but what I can say is this season at this point is not a disappointment as far as W-L record. And at the start of next year the W-L record will all that matter to people not canes fans. I have trust in Golden and I think at the moment he is the best thing for Miami. Next year is when I will start judging him if we dont at least make it to the ACC championship game.
 
Dghustla said:
Al's vision of this program and what ppl want it to be today are two different things. All of the top programs today took years to build and we look at the finish product and want those results now. Over looking the fact those programs paid their dues and are playing majority of upper classmen now and reaping the benefits. Not to mention our starting QB has reached his talent ceiling of 59% completion.
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I disagree. I, for one, am not asking for immediate results. I just want to see improvement. I want to see that we are heading in the right direction.
After 3 years, that isn't too much to ask for.......this defense hasn't improved at all. It blows.
 
Hegemon said:
Artie Burns and Coley aren't contributing?

I agree with the gist of your post, but frankly relying on freshmen saviors doesn't work for anyone. What "key local recruits" are we losing exactly by the way? We just landed Moten tonight.....????

The gripes about everything else work, but lulz at the recruiting meltdown you just had.

No doubt about it we continue to **** the bed on the field it will affect recruiting. The biggest recruiting commitment we can land is firing dnofrio.
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I am with you big man. The recruiting is being done right IMO.
 
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ilovelamp51 said:
SmokeyRone said:
Win out, and it's a dissapointing underachievement (not even close in the Coastal)
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So losing a tiebreaker is "not even close" ? Just dumb. 11-2 is underachieving? Dumb.
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Lamp,

I hear what you are saying but we haven't done that yet. Let's first beat Duke and go from there. After the way things looked last week, that is a tremendous task especially without Duke Johnson.
 
Whoa wait a minute..Beating Duke, UVA, and Pitt is all of a sudden a "tremendous task"? Wow. We are in the dumps. I will not line up the excuse machine for Al by saying Duke is a good enough football team that they can beat us JUST BECAUSE they beat Vtech. He needs to beat Duke. PERIOD. AND UVA. AND PITT!

Franchise, I disagree on Dorsett. There are ALOT of teams in the country that would love to have a 21 YPC "one trick pony". This corp misses him. And IMO Coley cannot dust past DBs at will like Dorsett even though Coley is the better all around receiver.

We get to 10 wins and I dont care what anybody on this board says...This season goes in the Win column.
 
Jassid82 said:
Whoa wait a minute..Beating Duke, UVA, and Pitt is all of a sudden a "tremendous task"? Wow. We are in the dumps. I will not line up the excuse machine for Al by saying Duke is a good enough football team that they can beat us JUST BECAUSE they beat Vtech. He needs to beat Duke. PERIOD. AND UVA. AND PITT!

We get to 10 wins and I dont care what anybody on this board says...This season goes in the Win column.
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All I am saying is before we assume we will go 10-2, let's actually go 10-2. We still don't have Duke Johnson, we still are having issues on defense and we have a QB who is prone to throwing INTs.

Individually, I think we SHOULD win each game. But with 2 games on the road (not that playing at No Life matters) and losing 2 straight, I see this as a tremendous task for this team.

Let's see what we can do because we need to stop the bleeding (i.e. win one game) before we win 3 straight.
 
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