Golden has ruined the football program

He hasn't ruined the university, but he's one of the worst head coaches in all of college football. Our only hope is that he leaves to Penn St, although I don't see how they'd be dumb enough to hire someone who performed so absolutely ineptly this season. This season was a downright failure, despite the fact that we brought back the entire offense and it's his third season here.

I'm done with him. I hope his fat *** leaves asap.

Always respected your opinion as I've thought you an intelligent and quality posted since Grassy. You were a Golden guy for a long time. In general, I agree that this season was a colossal failure. However, I think more falls on the coordinators than Golden.

While I realize it may be his schemes, the OC and DC were complete failures and, aside from Coley's seemingly decent ability to recruit, I don't see what either brings to the table. I think they need to go before Golden.

Is there anything specific about Golden that you dislike? He is a great CEO (always says the right thing, embraces the program history, etc), but has proved to be an awful gameday coach. My hope is if he takes the CEO role for what it is and hires new coordinators, it might be a good thing for the program. Can I get your thoughts on this?
 
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He's just the latest. Every coach since Butch has been a useless ****.

And people wanted him out after year 3 too. Heavily impacted his decision to leave Miami for the NFL.

That's bull****. He chased the money. He chops it up there as one of his worst decisions. His words.

"You live a little bit in fear. I thought, 'Well, today they love me, but in 1997 they were flying a plane over the stadium, 'Get Rid of Butch Davis!' It didn't take long to keep reminding yourself that this 80-20 stuff wasn't fair. We made one more stab and called [Miami AD] Paul Dee and he went to the trustees and asked them to make it fair. Finally, we made the change. I wished I hadn't have, but we did." - Butch Davis
 
Fk it! Fire everyone...drop everyone's scholarships and burn the fcking school down. I hate everyone...we'll never be anything...The U will never rise to greatness...fk'em all!!!!!!!

You're absolutely right. It's dead...we're all dead. We're doomed.

This is what happens when you only win nine games.
 
This is what the school wants. Don't let this "Donna loves football" nonsense fool you.

They would rather have winless seasons and football players going to class and graduating and staying out of trouble, than a national title the way we used to win them (and yes, we used to finesse players through class and take kids who had no business being in college).....

They WANTED this.

ok smart guy she came around in 2002 and the football program has went to ****? Explain to me how she actually cares again? It was be long until football Alumni start truning their back to her and stop donating money so she can put it on her next big project
 
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This is what the school wants. Don't let this "Donna loves football" nonsense fool you.

They would rather have winless seasons and football players going to class and graduating and staying out of trouble, than a national title the way we used to win them (and yes, we used to finesse players through class and take kids who had no business being in college).....

They WANTED this.
this you are wrong on, mistakes have been made but you are beyond wrong on the intent of the outcome. But believe what you want.

The hired back to back coaches who's biggest skill is keeping their players in line and in class. Randy did it by stalking kids and stifling them with scowls. Al does it by convincing the kids that the way to go about things is by being soft, non-aggressive, and more concerned with things other than football.

The days of this U allowing kids to not go to class and still get grades, or look the other way about a kid smoking pot or missing curfew, or having no business in a college environment, or talking **** on the field, or choosing the weight room over the chemistry lab, are OVER. This is what football is like at most ACC schools. Letting the admin fool you into thinking football is in ANY WAY a priority is how we are in this mess in the first place.

Don't **** on me and tell me it's raining. Johnny Football was taking two classes last year during football season, and both were online. Accept that if you want to be an elite program, THATS HOW IT"S DONE. And then ask yourself if you really think Shalala and the BOT (who all fancy themselves as Harvard grads despite all of them being grads of suntan you) would allow any of our players to take two classes a semester, both online. They wouldn't. Neither would Duke, Wake, GT, UVA, or BC. As you saw at UNC, they went out of their way after years of futility to make it easy on the kids passing class. You CANNOT field a major college program at a decent to good academic school and simultaneously ask the players to be real students. It's just not feasible.

Do you think ANY of those FSU players do anything school related? They don't. There was a recent Times article about it. Same for USC, OSU, Oregon, the entire SEC outside of Vandy, Louisville, and on and on.

So we as fans (and alum which sadly I am), have to draw a line in the sand: would we rather our kids go to class, or win football games. Both is NOT possible here. This isn't Stanford where we can nationally recruit the smartest kids in the country and play advanced NFL concepts with a bunch of highly self motivated brilliant kids. We will NEVER be that. And for every Stanford is a dozen other good schools that simply CANNOT compete b/c of the demands of their student athletes.

I can verify this. Donna has the program exactly where she wants it. The kids go to class and stay out of the news blobs. That what she and the admin want and thats what they get. The football powers know what it takes to be an elite program and we are not doing it.
 
He's just the latest. Every coach since Butch has been a useless ****.

And people wanted him out after year 3 too. Heavily impacted his decision to leave Miami for the NFL.

That's bull****. He chased the money. He chops it up there as one of his worst decisions. His words.

"You live a little bit in fear. I thought, 'Well, today they love me, but in 1997 they were flying a plane over the stadium, 'Get Rid of Butch Davis!' It didn't take long to keep reminding yourself that this 80-20 stuff wasn't fair. We made one more stab and called [Miami AD] Paul Dee and he went to the trustees and asked them to make it fair. Finally, we made the change. I wished I hadn't have, but we did." - Butch Davis

If Butch is moving his lips, odds are he is lying. He knows he effed up by not signing the contract. Dee put that contract on his desk 3 weeks before he left, stated so in the media many times that the extension was there and the contract was set, just waiting for Butch to sign it. Now, 13 years later after Dee is dead and cant fend for himself, the story has slightly changed for the fork tongued hero. I'll say this, Butch and his agent know how to spin a story and keep his name out there to the bitter end.
 
He hasn't ruined the university, but he's one of the worst head coaches in all of college football. Our only hope is that he leaves to Penn St, although I don't see how they'd be dumb enough to hire someone who performed so absolutely ineptly this season. This season was a downright failure, despite the fact that we brought back the entire offense and it's his third season here.

I'm done with him. I hope his fat *** leaves asap.

Always respected your opinion as I've thought you an intelligent and quality posted since Grassy. You were a Golden guy for a long time. In general, I agree that this season was a colossal failure. However, I think more falls on the coordinators than Golden.

While I realize it may be his schemes, the OC and DC were complete failures and, aside from Coley's seemingly decent ability to recruit, I don't see what either brings to the table. I think they need to go before Golden.

Is there anything specific about Golden that you dislike? He is a great CEO (always says the right thing, embraces the program history, etc), but has proved to be an awful gameday coach. My hope is if he takes the CEO role for what it is and hires new coordinators, it might be a good thing for the program. Can I get your thoughts on this?

One of THE most important responsibilities for a good head coach is the ability to spot and surround himself with good assistants/play callers.

He's horrible at this...and there's not sugar coating it, it's a HUGE ******* problem. I'll tell you what boggles my mind...he's been carrying this deadbeat DC with him since practically the beginning of his career and has not yet arrived to the conclusion that the guy sucks.

Sorry folks....if you read between the lines it's pretty obvious these 2 ****tards are a package deal. So with that being said I recommend that each and every one of you pray to the dear Lord that Penn State comes calling.

But you know what else sucks...even if that happened the person making the call on who his replacement would be is the same person that:

Hired Coker
Extended Coker
Hired Shannon
Took forever to fire Shannon
And brought Chick Fil A Temple guy with the his side kick Albert Einstein

I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO faith that this pathetic administration is capable of making a solid football decision. We need a young, aggressive, ****head of a coach....what we'll get is a politically correct public relations figurehead.
 
There is a reason Jimbo Fisher called the plays and not Coley......it's obvious to us now. This offense has struggled MIGHTILY since Fisch left, and Morris has been awful since then.

And wasn't it ironic that the Louisville Dline and LBs tonight looked and played like the Dlinea and LBs of past Miami teams, harassing the QB and blowing up plays in the backfield? What do our coaches do? Continue running this AWFUL 3-4 2gap scheme that does not work for us, puts our guys in bad situations, and easily gets picked apart by decent coaches. In the very first quarter the commentators were talking about what FSU took advantage of and Lousiville did the exact same thing! It's called gameplanning.....and our coaches are terrible at making adjustments!

If Al doesn't right this thing quickly he will not last. I really like the guy personally and think he is one **** of a recruiter, but what separates him from other great coaches is being a great x's and o's guy and great gameday coach. Al is not a great defensive or offensive mind, and it shows. Bad hires at both positions have killed us this year. Saban is great b/c he runs that defense. No matter who comes or goes, that defense will not change b/c it is his....and it's great. Pete Carroll ran that defense at USC, so it was the same concept. Then he had guys like Kiffin, Sark and Chow run the O. That's Jimbo's offense at FSU. Chizik SUCKS at Auburn after Malzahn left.....Gus comes back and with the same players, he is in the national championship game. With how often and quickly coordinators come and go these days, i think the era of figureheads like JoePa, Bowden, Mack Brown, etc who work strictly as CEO's is over. You need to be a great x's and o's guy or you will struggle unless ou hit home run hires consistently at your coordinators positions.
 
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This is what the school wants. Don't let this "Donna loves football" nonsense fool you.

They would rather have winless seasons and football players going to class and graduating and staying out of trouble, than a national title the way we used to win them (and yes, we used to finesse players through class and take kids who had no business being in college).....

They WANTED this.

ok smart guy she came around in 2002 and the football program has went to ****? Explain to me how she actually cares again? It was be long until football Alumni start truning their back to her and stop donating money so she can put it on her next big project

Is this english? She came in 2001. The program is a joke now bc they put no effort into it, and couple that negligence with an emphasis on graduating players. That combination is why we just got trashed by LOUISVILLE.
 
He's just the latest. Every coach since Butch has been a useless ****.

And people wanted him out after year 3 too. Heavily impacted his decision to leave Miami for the NFL.

That's bull****. He chased the money. He chops it up there as one of his worst decisions. His words.

"You live a little bit in fear. I thought, 'Well, today they love me, but in 1997 they were flying a plane over the stadium, 'Get Rid of Butch Davis!' It didn't take long to keep reminding yourself that this 80-20 stuff wasn't fair. We made one more stab and called [Miami AD] Paul Dee and he went to the trustees and asked them to make it fair. Finally, we made the change. I wished I hadn't have, but we did." - Butch Davis

If Butch is moving his lips, odds are he is lying. He knows he effed up by not signing the contract. Dee put that contract on his desk 3 weeks before he left, stated so in the media many times that the extension was there and the contract was set, just waiting for Butch to sign it. Now, 13 years later after Dee is dead and cant fend for himself, the story has slightly changed for the fork tongued hero. I'll say this, Butch and his agent know how to spin a story and keep his name out there to the bitter end.

Maybe that's why Butch was also such a good recruiter. I used to hear back in the '80's that you had to lie to recruit well. I also heard that our OL coach, a really good guy named Tony Wise, was a lousy recruiter. Why? He couldn't lie.
 
This is what the school wants. Don't let this "Donna loves football" nonsense fool you.

They would rather have winless seasons and football players going to class and graduating and staying out of trouble, than a national title the way we used to win them (and yes, we used to finesse players through class and take kids who had no business being in college).....

They WANTED this.

ok smart guy she came around in 2002 and the football program has went to ****? Explain to me how she actually cares again? It was be long until football Alumni start truning their back to her and stop donating money so she can put it on her next big project

Is this english? She came in 2001. The program is a joke now bc they put no effort into it, and couple that negligence with an emphasis on graduating players. That combination is why we just got trashed by LOUISVILLE.

Just curious....anybody know what Louisville's graduation rate is? Arrest record? I don't know, just asking. How about Auburn? Alabama? I want to know if there is a negative correlation to graduation rates and a positive correlation with arrest records? We know that these positive and negative correlations hold up with FSU--poor graduation rates and high arrest records correlate with football success. How about the SEC powers? It might be hard to find out, because they probably cover up conduct problems in smaller college towns like Tuscaloosca and wherever Auburn is....God knows, I've heard of it. Just can't remember for the life of me.
 
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He's just the latest. Every coach since Butch has been a useless ****.

And people wanted him out after year 3 too. Heavily impacted his decision to leave Miami for the NFL.

That's bull****. He chased the money. He chops it up there as one of his worst decisions. His words.

I don't know which was more important, I've got to think the money was, but boy, he took endless abuse from fans, including probably some oldtimers here who used to post on Grassy. God, it was awful. I felt sorry for the guy. Calling him "Bush," "Botch,"....I remember he broke down and started to cry at a press conference the hate was so bad. People don't remember that. I'd look for an excuse to leave, too.

If you blame Butch for lying, you've got to remember, by being a college football fan, you've pretty much sold your soul to the devil. The proof of it is spending more than a few casual minutes passing through on a message board. College football is a dishonest, corrupt, unethical out of control monster driven by millions and millions of dollars. It is exploitative and both enhances and ruins the lives of many young men, particularly from poor backgrounds. It is what it is. It's not the kingdom of saints. At least I admit my addiction to this sometimes very unsavory business. I admit, I also have loved it over the past fifty years, particularly UM's golden years over the last thirty years, but my devotion is becoming weaker and weaker, with what I see of ruined lives (read up on Brayden Lenius' grandfather, and what pro football did to him because he was black and wanted to be a QB) and the damaged brains. (Google an article in the last year or so on former UM LB, Jay Brophy, and how just a few years at UM and with the Dolphins gave him a 70 year old's brain in the body of a man who is only about 50). A friend's son spent ten years in the NFL and now has migraines...wonder what his future holds.

So, Butch was probably only performing the profession he selected as he learned in order to be successful.

It's probably pretty bad in the pros. When I was in law school back in the late 70's, a friend of mine who worked as a law clerk at the NFL Players Association said he had been at an arbitration concerning the Dolphins having cut a player while he was recovering from injury and my friend said Shula lied through his teeth. He felt he should tell me since he knew I was a Dolphin fan (we were in school in DC, so there were very few.)
 
@BillWhiteheadFL: If Greg Schiano were coaching #Canes, that Victory Formation would not have gone unpunished.
 
Lulz at Golden ruined the program. This things been a steaming bag of **** for 10 years. Only constant is Donna over that time.
 
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This post is false. Our players have improved and have got better each year.

We have to be honest about UM's situation. Shapiro and the NCAA sanctions (Investigation) were crippling to Miami. I say sanctions because of how the investigation was handled it was equal to a sanction maybe even worse. A combination of the firing of Randy and his lack of recruiting along with the media and the "death penalty" hype idestroyed our 2010 and 2011 recruiting class.

Go take a look at our 2010 and 2011 recruting class. Golden was hired on December 12, 2010 and was left with a weak committ list for the 2011 class. But go take a look at those two classes and it will show you why UM is struggling. Over 70% of the players in the 2010 (Randys final class) and 2011 class has never played a down, no longer in school or were bust.

I would be surprised if Miami has more than about 63 players who suit up for each game including injured players. Goldens 2012 and 2013 classes are panning out. Those players are making an impact on the field. Generally it takes three solid recruiting classes to build depth. We have two really good recruting classes and the 2014 class is loaded.
 
Its gonna take a **** good coach/program builder to get this program back on its feet. A CFB program is never fully dead (Notre Dame is a perfect example), but we are as dead of a program as can possibly be. It will take a very very good program builder to resuscitate this program.

Someone who has built a program from this sort of hole. Someone like:

Leavitt
Schiano
Petrino
Butch
 
He hasn't ruined the university, but he's one of the worst head coaches in all of college football. Our only hope is that he leaves to Penn St, although I don't see how they'd be dumb enough to hire someone who performed so absolutely ineptly this season. This season was a downright failure, despite the fact that we brought back the entire offense and it's his third season here.

I'm done with him. I hope his fat *** leaves asap.

Always respected your opinion as I've thought you an intelligent and quality posted since Grassy. You were a Golden guy for a long time. In general, I agree that this season was a colossal failure. However, I think more falls on the coordinators than Golden.

While I realize it may be his schemes, the OC and DC were complete failures and, aside from Coley's seemingly decent ability to recruit, I don't see what either brings to the table. I think they need to go before Golden.

Is there anything specific about Golden that you dislike? He is a great CEO (always says the right thing, embraces the program history, etc), but has proved to be an awful gameday coach. My hope is if he takes the CEO role for what it is and hires new coordinators, it might be a good thing for the program. Can I get your thoughts on this?

One of THE most important responsibilities for a good head coach is the ability to spot and surround himself with good assistants/play callers.

He's horrible at this...and there's not sugar coating it, it's a HUGE ****ing problem. I'll tell you what boggles my mind...he's been carrying this deadbeat DC with him since practically the beginning of his career and has not yet arrived to the conclusion that the guy sucks.

Sorry folks....if you read between the lines it's pretty obvious these 2 ****tards are a package deal. So with that being said I recommend that each and every one of you pray to the dear Lord that Penn State comes calling.

But you know what else sucks...even if that happened the person making the call on who his replacement would be is the same person that:

Hired Coker
Extended Coker
Hired Shannon
Took forever to fire Shannon
And brought Chick Fil A Temple guy with the his side kick Albert Einstein

I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO faith that this pathetic administration is capable of making a solid football decision. We need a young, aggressive, ****head of a coach....what we'll get is a politically correct public relations figurehead.

Again, not sticking up for him one bit. Tonight was a letdown and the whole season was a failure. But to break down what I see, starting with the coordinators then AG:

Coley blows. I said it since week one and can bring up threads to prove it. His horizontal passing game reminded me of Nix, save for the few times when the freak that is Stacey Coley bailed him out. Never used middle of field. Didn't play to the strengths of his OL. Awful hire. However, contrastingly to Jedi's point, AG's one good hire was Fisch and it was a shame to lose him. Woulda been a different team with him, but that's water over the bridge.

D'oh has to be one of the worst in game coaches I've ever seen. Nothing I can say that hasn't been said over and over this year. Trying to implement the 3-4 was a massive failure with the personnel we had. AG let me down, but I can live with one more year of him if D'oh gets the walking papers this week (more like today). If it is a package deal like you say, well, we are facked cause Donna ain't firing AG anytime soon.

On to AG. Player development was as bad as I've seen under any coach, ever. We clearly regressed at every position. Decision making (4th downs, etc) shows he clearly had a ******. Didn't make a halftime adjustment all season, which resulted in us being out coached every week. On a similar note, gameplan/scheme coming into games never had any effect - the other team did what they wanted, and we never dictated the tempo all year (aside maybe Fla, who turned out to be an abortion).

I thought AG was the guy. Fire D'oh and he buys one more year in my book. But I hate to say it - this program might never win another title, with or without golden.
 
He's just the latest. Every coach since Butch has been a useless ****.

And people wanted him out after year 3 too. Heavily impacted his decision to leave Miami for the NFL.

That's bull****. He chased the money. He chops it up there as one of his worst decisions. His words.

I don't know which was more important, I've got to think the money was, but boy, he took endless abuse from fans, including probably some oldtimers here who used to post on Grassy. God, it was awful. I felt sorry for the guy. Calling him "Bush," "Botch,"....I remember he broke down and started to cry at a press conference the hate was so bad. People don't remember that. I'd look for an excuse to leave, too.

If you blame Butch for lying, you've got to remember, by being a college football fan, you've pretty much sold your soul to the devil. The proof of it is spending more than a few casual minutes passing through on a message board. College football is a dishonest, corrupt, unethical out of control monster driven by millions and millions of dollars. It is exploitative and both enhances and ruins the lives of many young men, particularly from poor backgrounds. It is what it is. It's not the kingdom of saints. At least I admit my addiction to this sometimes very unsavory business. I admit, I also have loved it over the past fifty years, particularly UM's golden years over the last thirty years, but my devotion is becoming weaker and weaker, with what I see of ruined lives (read up on Brayden Lenius' grandfather, and what pro football did to him because he was black and wanted to be a QB) and the damaged brains. (Google an article in the last year or so on former UM LB, Jay Brophy, and how just a few years at UM and with the Dolphins gave him a 70 year old's brain in the body of a man who is only about 50). A friend's son spent ten years in the NFL and now has migraines...wonder what his future holds.

So, Butch was probably only performing the profession he selected as he learned in order to be successful.

It's probably pretty bad in the pros. When I was in law school back in the late 70's, a friend of mine who worked as a law clerk at the NFL Players Association said he had been at an arbitration concerning the Dolphins having cut a player while he was recovering from injury and my friend said Shula lied through his teeth. He felt he should tell me since he knew I was a Dolphin fan (we were in school in DC, so there were very few.)

People are very naïve.

All coaches lie. They lie and they're cutthroat. Especially the successful ones.

Erickson, JJ, Saban,..., they all lied about going to the NFL. Bobby Bowden lied about leaving West Virginia. Lou Holtz lied to numerous schools before bolting to better opportunities (and usually leaving his previous school under NCAA investigation). Of all the Miami coaches, Schnelly left UM in the biggest lurch. Howard left during the summer when it was next to impossible for Miami to be able to hire a replacement (it was unbelievably fortunate that Sam was able to hire JJ). And Schnelly essentially screwed up our '84 season by having Sam promise he wouldn't fire any UM coaches for one year.

It was no secret Butch had aspirations to leave Miami and go to the NFL. Butch knew it. Paul Dee knew it. Every knowledgeable fan knew it. Butch's plan was to coach 3-5 more seasons, win a couple NCs, and get a huge payout by taking a premier NFL job.

And Dee and Davis always had a frosty relationship. And yes, Davis was a very arrogant man. But back '00, the football, basketball and baseball programs were doing well. Paul Dee felt infallible back then and he decided to play hardball with Davis's agent in the contract negotiations with a massive buyout provision. The problem was Dee misplaced his hand because Davis had all the leverage. So when Dee didn't want to back down, Davis got ****ed and took the Cleveland job.

And in retrospective, it was a terrible mistake by Dee. If Davis had stayed another 3-4 years, the talent would've kept stockpiled. Our player development would have continued. And Davis had promoted Chuck Pagano as DC. Pagano could've been groomed as a replacement to Davis. Unlike Coker who had a cardboard personality, Pagano would've made a great HC selection in the mid 2000s to replace Davis.
 
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