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JD08 said:
My point was that all of the past artificial measures you mentioned are whitewashed by the affordability that Bright Futures offers. It allows UF to portray itself as academically exclusive based on merit alone and not any past history designed to make it that way. They stacked the deck to set them up for this.

Bright Futures effectively guarantees a steady supply of academically gifted students destined for FL's public universities. The best are going to want to go to UF, which is academically the best of the bunch. That's raised the status of UF for the past 23 years, allowing them to be even more exclusive. In effect, they created their own supply of top potential students.
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OK, gotcha, my bad.

Yes, I believe that Bright Futures stacked up with all the other issues, and it has helped to create artificial "selectivity" at UF.

But you are right, all of these things have really skyrocketed over the past 20-30 years.

Think about this:

1980 - 9.7 million population (+2.8 million from 1970)
1990 - 12.9 million population (+3.2 million)
2000 - 16.0 million population (+4.9 million)
2010 - 18.8 million population (+2.8 million)

And now the population is about to exceed 22 million (we are at 21.5 million currently, an increase of 2.7 million in 10 years). And then you make the tuition (effectively) cheaper with Bright Futures? Wow.

In that time, the ONLY new state university that was created was Florida Gulf Coast. In 1991. (And, no, I'm not counting Florida Poly in Lakeland, as it is tiny and is only teaches STEM subjects).

We have essentially added the population of an entire US state (and I'm talking about the smaller US states that are ranked anywhere from 30 to 50 in population) EVERY SINGLE DECADE for five decades.

It's insane. We should have built a new state university in every decade from 1980 until now. But we haven't.

****, states like Iowa (3.1 million population) and Mississippi (3.0 million population) have 2 Power Five universities, while Florida GROWS by nearly 3 million people every decade for 50 years, and we only have 3 Power Five universities.

Fvck "Flagship Florida" UiF. And F$U. Their "selectivity" is fake. Skyrocketing population (and Bright Futures) means that millions of kids apply to UiF and F$U and get "rejected".
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
OK, gotcha, my bad.

Yes, I believe that Bright Futures stacked up with all the other issues, and it has helped to create artificial "selectivity" at UF.

But you are right, all of these things have really skyrocketed over the past 20-30 years.

Think about this:

1980 - 9.7 million population (+2.8 million from 1970)
1990 - 12.9 million population (+3.2 million)
2000 - 16.0 million population (+4.9 million)
2010 - 18.8 million population (+2.8 million)

And now the population is about to exceed 22 million (we are at 21.5 million currently, an increase of 2.7 million in 10 years). And then you make the tuition (effectively) cheaper with Bright Futures? Wow.

In that time, the ONLY new state university that was created was Florida Gulf Coast. In 1991. (And, no, I'm not counting Florida Poly in Lakeland, as it is tiny and is only teaches STEM subjects).

We have essentially added the population of an entire US state (and I'm talking about the smaller US states that are ranked anywhere from 30 to 50 in population) EVERY SINGLE DECADE for five decades.

It's insane. We should have built a new state university in every decade from 1980 until now. But we haven't.

****, states like Iowa (3.1 million population) and Mississippi (3.0 million population) have 2 Power Five universities, while Florida GROWS by nearly 3 million people every decade for 50 years, and we only have 3 Power Five universities.

Fvck "Flagship Florida" UiF. And F$U. Their "selectivity" is fake. Skyrocketing population (and Bright Futures) means that millions of kids apply to UiF and F$U and get "rejected".
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Yep - and they want that out of state tuition $$, which is why it makes it more selective and hard to get into if you’re from the state of Florida.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Second-tallest SEC midget.

Only reason that UiF and UGa are up that high is due to exploding state population and the (until recently) lack of any other comparable options within the state.

Vandy is the only true high-quality university in the SEC.
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It's just the bold. It's not fair to other schools, really.

If a state just keeps getting bigger, and the school doesn't expand its enrollment proportionally (and they never do), the school can get more and more selective without doing...anything.

And the fact is, the states of Florida and Georgia ain't slowing down any time soon.
 
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JD08 said:
My point was that all of the past artificial measures you mentioned are whitewashed by the affordability that Bright Futures offers. It allows UF to portray itself as academically exclusive based on merit alone and not any past history designed to make it that way. They stacked the deck to set them up for this.

Bright Futures effectively guarantees a steady supply of academically gifted students destined for FL's public universities. The best are going to want to go to UF, which is academically the best of the bunch. That's raised the status of UF for the past 23 years, allowing them to be even more exclusive. In effect, they created their own supply of top potential students.
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TheOriginalCane said:
OK, gotcha, my bad.

Yes, I believe that Bright Futures stacked up with all the other issues, and it has helped to create artificial "selectivity" at UF.

But you are right, all of these things have really skyrocketed over the past 20-30 years.

Think about this:

1980 - 9.7 million population (+2.8 million from 1970)
1990 - 12.9 million population (+3.2 million)
2000 - 16.0 million population (+4.9 million)
2010 - 18.8 million population (+2.8 million)

And now the population is about to exceed 22 million (we are at 21.5 million currently, an increase of 2.7 million in 10 years). And then you make the tuition (effectively) cheaper with Bright Futures? Wow.

In that time, the ONLY new state university that was created was Florida Gulf Coast. In 1991. (And, no, I'm not counting Florida Poly in Lakeland, as it is tiny and is only teaches STEM subjects).

We have essentially added the population of an entire US state (and I'm talking about the smaller US states that are ranked anywhere from 30 to 50 in population) EVERY SINGLE DECADE for five decades.

It's insane. We should have built a new state university in every decade from 1980 until now. But we haven't.

****, states like Iowa (3.1 million population) and Mississippi (3.0 million population) have 2 Power Five universities, while Florida GROWS by nearly 3 million people every decade for 50 years, and we only have 3 Power Five universities.

Fvck "Flagship Florida" UiF. And F$U. Their "selectivity" is fake. Skyrocketing population (and Bright Futures) means that millions of kids apply to UiF and F$U and get "rejected".
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I remember Bright Futures was still relatively new when I started high school (2001). When I got to high school, there were some children of Lizards who wanted to go there, but I don't remember that many people who had UiF as a "dream school." The price just ended up too good to refuse for a lot of smart kids.

I argued even back then that UM should be trying something aggressive to counteract this, such as offering automatic entry to the top 5% or valedictorians/salutatorians in a 3-6 county area. I know it's gimmicky, but someone could iron out the details. We definitely should have done more, earlier, to try to keep the best of South Florida here.
 
JeddTheFisch said:
It's just the bold. It's not fair to other schools, really.

If a state just keeps getting bigger, and the school doesn't expand its enrollment proportionally (and they never do), the school can get more and more selective without doing...anything.

And the fact is, the states of Florida and Georgia ain't slowing down any time soon.
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This was my main point. JD08 is correct about Bright Futures, which certainly contributed, but UGa is also moving up in the rankings, and that one has nothing to do with BF scholarships.

Your statistical point is right on. In a state like Michigan, which has a static or declining population, a school like U-M (Michigan) could actually go DOWN on selectivity index, while maintaining an excellent academic program and reputation. Conversely, UiF, F$U, and UGa could RISE in the rankings without doing a single thing to improve their academic programs or reputations, simply by having an ever-increasing selectivity index.

Bizarre. And, look, I can acknowledge that UiF is a good school (F$U is not), but nobody can point to any specific academic initiatives that are driving the rankings movements of those 2 universities in the US News lists.
 
JeddTheFisch said:
I remember Bright Futures was still relatively new when I started high school (2001). When I got to high school, there were some children of Lizards who wanted to go there, but I don't remember that many people who had UiF as a "dream school." The price just ended up too good to refuse for a lot of smart kids.

I argued even back then that UM should be trying something aggressive to counteract this, such as offering automatic entry to the top 5% or valedictorians/salutatorians in a 3-6 county area. I know it's gimmicky, but someone could iron out the details. We definitely should have done more, earlier, to try to keep the best of South Florida here.
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Back in the early 80's, UF was where the kids went whose parents insisted they go to college. They'd come back a term or two later and enroll in Palm Beach Junior College.
 
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canenok said:
Will someone post and link the new WSJ rankings of Colleges and Universities? Miami is ranked #53, Ufag #56, and FSU #187. So much for all the flagship university in Florida and Harvard of the south Gayta talk. Thanks
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www.timeshighereducation.com

Wall Street Journal/Times Higher Education College Rankings 2020

The Wall Street Journal/Times Higher Education College Rankings gives students and their families the information that they need to help them choose where to study. The ranking of more than 800 universities is based on 15 individual performance indicators and responses from more than 170,000...
www.timeshighereducation.com www.timeshighereducation.com

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theribdoctor said:
www.timeshighereducation.com

Wall Street Journal/Times Higher Education College Rankings 2020

The Wall Street Journal/Times Higher Education College Rankings gives students and their families the information that they need to help them choose where to study. The ranking of more than 800 universities is based on 15 individual performance indicators and responses from more than 170,000...
www.timeshighereducation.com www.timeshighereducation.com

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Thank you, thought it was fitting for Gator tears! But ****, how Bad is FSU right now on and off the field!
 
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