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FSU 2012 Offense - James Coley

Morey161 said:
LuCane said:
Morey161 said:
He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.
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That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.
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I am talking more about the flow of the offense and things like that. He can call the plays completely different and it could look like a totally different offense. It's all about calling the right plays at the right time.
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I miss pounding the rock between the tackles and wearing teams down. But generally speaking, to do that you need an above average defense and we don't have that at this point.
 
Concept wise: Just from the interviews and his work on Saban's staff, I'll guess fewer trick plays, and more running in the red zone.

I think all of the FSU system is Jimbo's, and Coley could make suggestions. But I don't think he had much input on the concepts. Maybe Coley takes some of the stuff he liked, and brings it with him. But like Fisch was, Coley is a complete unknown.

I worry about Coley in tight game situations. His lack of experience is something the team will have to work through. Game planning is one thing ... Play calling, in the moment, is completely different. I thought Fisch got better in year 2 ... But he still wasn't all the way there. Coley's gonna need a few years.
 
We have a senior QB in Morris that I'm hoping the coaches give full reign of the offense to.

When's the last time we had a QB truly manage a game in his own (check offs, audibles, etc)

Dorsey?
 
Impossible to judge Coley based on what fsu did while he was there. Makes for a good discussion on the internets at a boring time of the year, but Jimbozo was running that offense. Now, if we are guessing that Coley will take what fsu did and try to do it here, then I'd hate that. fsu is one of those offenses that looks good on paper, but if you actually watched them you'd know that they piled up their big numbers against some really bad teams. That offense was everything I hate right down to the horizonticality that it's based on.

We can only hope that part of Coley's reason for wanting to leave to take less money was that he wanted to run his own offense. Then, we have to hope that he will be successful running his own offense. So, at the end of the day, we have to overcome to levels of hope and guessing for him to be a good OC here. Like I've said before though: You'd have to be really really inept to f#ck up what we have coming back this year.
 
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FlaSportsFan88 said:
pook187 said:
Dees Brown said:
Lu

Did you check the one year he was of at FIU to see run/pass ratio?
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FIU run/pass in 2007 - 430-347

That's a 55% run percentage.

I'm pretty sure i remember reading a little while back that the last 10 champions have maintained a 55-45 run-pass ratio. So running the ball no less than 55%. Bamas was 63% last season, which you'd expect with that defense. The lowest I saw since 2007 (the extent of their database) was 58%.
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That's why looking at stats can mess you up. Winning teams run the ball at the end of games because: a. they're often killing overmatched opponents and don't want to run up the score; b. they often have great defenses and want to play to that strength; and c. they often have leads and want to shorten the game at the end by running clock. This is how run percentage stats get skewed.

Take a look at the NFL where there is parity. Where teams are evenly matched, the throwing game is HUGE. Great teams can't usually beat other great teams without being able to throw the ball very well. Bama was a heavy run team, but look at how they got it done in a couple close games. They had to rely on McCarron to sling it to win. McCarron's a helluva QB.
 
skyman said:
LuCane said:
Morey161 said:
He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.
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That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.
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I dont think Morris decision making will be an issue. He was very good with the ball last year and seems to make good decisions. Morris has issues with being erratic and needs to be rode hard in regards to his mechanics. I dont think he will ever be a breadbasket passer but hopefully he can tighten up on just the small things (touch on passes to crossers or down middle, etc)
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True. El Girafe' would get himself into trouble when he got sloppy. Then, it would feed on itself. He'd miss a few passes and it would f#ck up his confidence and he'd miss more. It was usually because he got nonchalant with his foot work. At the end of last season, he wasn't having those issues. He wasn't slipping into funks that would last an entire quarter or two.
 
I'm just hoping the lack of TE use at FSU is because of Jimbob's play-calling and not because of Coley's game-planning.
 
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Well fsu didnt ask EJ to much…fsu offense under ponder was elite…jimbo gets results and has just sent 2 qbs in 4 years in the first round possibly so Production of the qb and play on the field has been there for fsu…talk to many noles and they only want to run the ball more but overall Jimbos offense was top 20 nearly every year on adjusted stats and completion percentages from Ponder and EJ was pretty **** good
 
Coley at fsu was nothing more than eyes in the skies and everybody know jimbo wasnt letting him touch his qbs…not coleys fault but he was there to learn concepts and recruit not to be an A+ coach… no knock on him just what it is even with his title of qb and oc it was just a way to give coley more money…Coley paid his dues and wants to showcase it at miami and you cant blame him
 
themonsta15 said:
Well fsu didnt ask EJ to much…fsu offense under ponder was elite…jimbo gets results and has just sent 2 qbs in 4 years in the first round possibly so Production of the qb and play on the field has been there for fsu…talk to many noles and they only want to run the ball more but overall Jimbos offense was top 20 nearly every year on adjusted stats and completion percentages from Ponder and EJ was pretty **** good
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Last season FSU played the easiest schedule I think I've ever seen them play in 30 years. Their Total offense was 19th in the country because they ran up the score and stats against scrubs. Against solid defenses in 2012 they were not what I would expect from an FSU offense in the 6th season with their OC and a 5th year Senior at QB. Jimbo has never impressed me and I would never consider him an offensive guru.

Total Offense since the Jimbo experiment started. That's hardly a top 20 offense every year...
2012- 19th
2011- 77th
2010- 60th Ponders Senior Year
2009- 28th
2008- 51st
2007- 80th
 
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