FSU 2012 Offense - James Coley

[Dees Brown]

Lu

Did you check the one year he was of at FIU to see run/pass ratio?

 

[Morey161]

He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.

 

[pook187]

Lu

Did you check the one year he was of at FIU to see run/pass ratio?

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[88]

Lu

Did you check the one year he was of at FIU to see run/pass ratio?

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FIU run/pass in 2007 - 430-347

That's a 55% run percentage.

I'm pretty sure i remember reading a little while back that the last 10 champions have maintained a 55-45 run-pass ratio. So running the ball no less than 55%. Bamas was 63% last season, which you'd expect with that defense. The lowest I saw since 2007 (the extent of their database) was 58%.

 

[LuCane]

He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.

That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.

 

[bransuperpower]

Did he call the plays? i would say look at execution not play calling that's not his job at fsu

 

[skyman]

He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.

That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.

I dont think Morris decision making will be an issue. He was very good with the ball last year and seems to make good decisions. Morris has issues with being erratic and needs to be rode hard in regards to his mechanics. I dont think he will ever be a breadbasket passer but hopefully he can tighten up on just the small things (touch on passes to crossers or down middle, etc)

 

[CanesFanatUT]

Did he call the plays? i would say look at execution not play calling that's not his job at fsu

I do not think he called any plays at Free Shoes.

 

[LuCane]

He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.

That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.

I dont think Morris decision making will be an issue. He was very good with the ball last year and seems to make good decisions. Morris has issues with being erratic and needs to be rode hard in regards to his mechanics. I dont think he will ever be a breadbasket passer but hopefully he can tighten up on just the small things (touch on passes to crossers or down middle, etc)

Decision making is more than just protecting the ball. The decision making we need from Morris is the ability to make at least consistent 2nd looks and not hold the ball too long to get his OLine in trouble.

I agree his biggest issues are footwork, though. Check out his passes when he's on balance vs. when he overstrides.

 

[LuCane]

Did he call the plays? i would say look at execution not play calling that's not his job at fsu

I do not think he called any plays at Free Shoes.

It's been said about 3-5x in this thread that he didn't call plays. We're looking at how their offense was setup and what types of concepts they used. Not much else to talk about these days. *shrug*

 

[hollyhood27]

He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.

That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.

I dont think Morris decision making will be an issue. He was very good with the ball last year and seems to make good decisions. Morris has issues with being erratic and needs to be rode hard in regards to his mechanics. I dont think he will ever be a breadbasket passer but hopefully he can tighten up on just the small things (touch on passes to crossers or down middle, etc)

Decision making is more than just protecting the ball. The decision making we need from Morris is the ability to make at least consistent 2nd looks and not hold the ball too long to get his OLine in trouble.

I agree his biggest issues are footwork, though. Check out his passes when he's on balance vs. when he overstrides.

An off topic comment about footwork. I was told at a clinic this comment.About 10% of the time when a QB throws the ball, they have a clean pocket. Pretty much saying footwork is important but also pointless in sense.

 

[robertpaige]

Utilizing the TEs changes the whole complexion of the defense. Keeps the LBs honest and limits their ability/willingness to blitz. We need to get back to the days of using the TE predominantly. Dorsey always threw to the TE and it opened up everything else.

This. That's probably going to be the main difference between the offenses. Florida St. only hit their TE Nick O'Leary a total of 21 times with only 250 yards and three touchdowns. If we can get our TE's to combine for 50 catches this season I think it'll be clear that our offense is much better under Coley than FSU's, although I put 100% of that fault on Jimbo.

 

[LuCane]

He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.

That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.

I dont think Morris decision making will be an issue. He was very good with the ball last year and seems to make good decisions. Morris has issues with being erratic and needs to be rode hard in regards to his mechanics. I dont think he will ever be a breadbasket passer but hopefully he can tighten up on just the small things (touch on passes to crossers or down middle, etc)

Decision making is more than just protecting the ball. The decision making we need from Morris is the ability to make at least consistent 2nd looks and not hold the ball too long to get his OLine in trouble.

I agree his biggest issues are footwork, though. Check out his passes when he's on balance vs. when he overstrides.

An off topic comment about footwork. I was told at a clinic this comment.About 10% of the time when a QB throws the ball, they have a clean pocket. Pretty much saying footwork is important but also pointless in sense.

Whoa? Footwork or being on balance doesn't mean you need a clean pocket?

 

[hollyhood27]

That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.

I dont think Morris decision making will be an issue. He was very good with the ball last year and seems to make good decisions. Morris has issues with being erratic and needs to be rode hard in regards to his mechanics. I dont think he will ever be a breadbasket passer but hopefully he can tighten up on just the small things (touch on passes to crossers or down middle, etc)

Decision making is more than just protecting the ball. The decision making we need from Morris is the ability to make at least consistent 2nd looks and not hold the ball too long to get his OLine in trouble.

I agree his biggest issues are footwork, though. Check out his passes when he's on balance vs. when he overstrides.

An off topic comment about footwork. I was told at a clinic this comment.About 10% of the time when a QB throws the ball, they have a clean pocket. Pretty much saying footwork is important but also pointless in sense.

Whoa? Footwork or being on balance doesn't mean you need a clean pocket?

You know what I meant. But there are also plenty of throws that you have to make when off balance. Sometimes your platform is bad and you have delivery the ball accurately.

( I agree with you but throwing from different platforms has been mine main focus for my Q's this offseason)

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

An off topic comment about footwork. I was told at a clinic this comment.About 10% of the time when a QB throws the ball, they have a clean pocket. Pretty much saying footwork is important but also pointless in sense.

There are standards off footwork applied to plays on the move outside the pocket, as well as, for avoiding crowded pockets and reacting to pressure that comes from a particular direction.

 

[LuCane]

I dont think Morris decision making will be an issue. He was very good with the ball last year and seems to make good decisions. Morris has issues with being erratic and needs to be rode hard in regards to his mechanics. I dont think he will ever be a breadbasket passer but hopefully he can tighten up on just the small things (touch on passes to crossers or down middle, etc)

Decision making is more than just protecting the ball. The decision making we need from Morris is the ability to make at least consistent 2nd looks and not hold the ball too long to get his OLine in trouble.

I agree his biggest issues are footwork, though. Check out his passes when he's on balance vs. when he overstrides.

An off topic comment about footwork. I was told at a clinic this comment.About 10% of the time when a QB throws the ball, they have a clean pocket. Pretty much saying footwork is important but also pointless in sense.

Whoa? Footwork or being on balance doesn't mean you need a clean pocket?

You know what I meant. But there are also plenty of throws that you have to make when off balance. Sometimes your platform is bad and you have delivery the ball accurately.

( I agree with you but throwing from different platforms has been mine main focus for my Q's this offseason)

Got it. There's a lot of talk about different arm angles now, etc. Yet, Stephen struggles sometimes when he's barely moving. Gets really tight. Actually, some of his best throws have been when he has to roll out or climb in the pocket.

 

[Bird4um]

I think we will miss fish. Badly.

Feel he is for recruiting not X's and O's.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Man, we used to be known for our tight ends.

Tight ends catching the ball? Holy crap! That opens up EVERYTHING! Tight ends that can CATCH, will eat your lunch, and when you have two in the game, it sure helps the running game as well as opens up the downfield out routes for the wide receivers - if you have speed. Which we got.

You get the tight ends catching a few balls early - the opposing defensive coordinator will be pulling his hair out.

 

[Biscuits]

I don't think you can read much of anything into Coley's ability to call a solid game based on feel from how FSU has performed over the past few years. As has been noted several times, Jimborch called the plays. There's no telling if he followed a script for the first fifteen plays every game, if he went off the reservation, or if he ever relied on Coley for anything more than general game-planning.

All we know at this point is that Coley isn't ******* with the offense too much. Here's hoping he can call a decent game.

 

[Morey161]

He didn't call the plays so you can't tell much from the offense. Also our offensive talent next year is better than he has ever had in his entire career.

That's not true. You can tell some about the concepts used and we, on a message board, can speculate as to which of those concepts he'll use more or less when he is the one who selects the plays on gameday.

Agreed about our offensive talent next year. What will make the difference, though, is whether Stephen Morris' decision-making.

I am talking more about the flow of the offense and things like that. He can call the plays completely different and it could look like a totally different offense. It's all about calling the right plays at the right time.