Formation and Personnel Groups you'd like to see this season

[rok]

Coker T was what exactly? Was it Fulcher as the H-back with Franks and Mercer at TE? What was the personnel grouping?

 

[k9cane]

Coker T was what exactly? Was it Fulcher as the H-back with Franks and Mercer at TE? What was the personnel grouping?

It was two tight ends, fullback, tailback and 1 WR( who always seemed to go in motion) and the line and TE's were always in a very tight alignment

Now, mind you, this was with a team with Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss( Andre King as the 3rd WR) and Miami was running 1 WR sets from outside the red-zone. Just mind-boggling on many levels....

 

[rok]

99 team was a machine down the stretch once KD took over. You could tell after that VT game that stuff was going to change.

 

[Man Of Steel]

Red zone:

Walford te
Flowers lt
Feliciano lg
Mcdermott c
Linder rg
Henderson rt
Bunch T eligible

Hagens fb
Duke rb
Morris qb

Coley out wide

Take your pick, Duke with a power run or draw everyone in and throw the fade to Coley.

Either one should be all day.

 

[k9cane]

99 team was a machine down the stretch once KD took over. You could tell after that VT game that stuff was going to change.

Rok, just go to the last few games Dorsey started, we suddenly were running packages that we hadnt see all year with KK. There's a reason why Butch told him flat out, either compete in the spring and quit this moonlighting with baseball or hit the bricks.

I was told flat out by a coach,"Kenny Kelly, was NOT a student of the game."

 

[Dynasty]

The good ol Coker T days. It still has a place and can be effective inside the twenties. Fisch ran a version of it his first year. Instead of an off set I form, Fisch ran it from the normal l form.


Who can forget MFulcher as the winback aligned aside BFranks at TE with RMercier pulling to lead the power g series. Btw, the Coker T picked up that 4th and 2 against Psu in '99. Bad spot by the ref.

 

[theGOLDENera]

everyone seems to be sleeping on Herb Waters. might be our best overall WR by seasons end IMO. Dudes a beast

 

[k9cane]

The good ol Coker T days. It still has a place and can be effective inside the twenties. Fisch ran a version of it his first year. Instead of an off set I form, Fisch ran it from the normal l form.


Who can forget MFulcher as the winback aligned aside BFranks at TE with RMercier pulling to lead the power g series. Btw, the Coker T picked up that 4th and 2 against Psu in '99. Bad spot by the ref.

Dynasty, what's good?!?!

The thing that I hated about how Miami ran that set it was it always seem to be 'the stretch' play and they never seemed to run any type of boot or waggle option of off it. And beyond that, that UM line wasn't a good zone-blocking team that year

 

[Dynasty]

Life is good, bro. Hope everything is decent with you.

You are correct about the vaunted stretch play. UM tried waffle action off it, but KKelley was so erratic that the consistency just wasn't there.

 

[JerseyCanes]

To be Honest.. I wouldn't mind Going to Some form a PRO set Jumbo OL/TE packages that Whipple tried to Run. When He was committed to Run the ball -it worked pretty good. Problem was the SOB got Bored with it.. And tried some dumb **** after like 2 plays...

JC

 

[Canesfan1899]

Go unbalanced with SH and Flowers on one side and with Warlord on the opposite side, go playaction and Warlord on a seam route.

 

[DMoney]

I love the threat that Dorsett brings in the slot. He is unique with his long speed at that position. He killed NC State up the seam and should have done the same thing to Notre Dame.

 

[LuCane]

I love the threat that Dorsett brings in the slot. He is unique with his long speed at that position. He killed NC State up the seam and should have done the same thing to Notre Dame.

Same. That's why I keep mentioning him there. He's the ultimate "decoy" if the defense gives him proper attention. If not, he gets as open as he did against Notre Dame (1st play of the game; drop). It's that type of speed that can really make Safeties drop and create large holes in the intermediate game.

 

[zone3cane]

empty back..... 5 WR sets w/ Duke in the slot would be unstoppable.

 

[Dynasty]

I love the threat that Dorsett brings in the slot. He is unique with his long speed at that position. He killed NC State up the seam and should have done the same thing to Notre Dame.

Same. That's why I keep mentioning him there. He's the ultimate "decoy" if the defense gives him proper attention. If not, he gets as open as he did against Notre Dame (1st play of the game; drop). It's that type of speed that can really make Safeties drop and create large holes in the intermediate game.

Similar thinking...He is certainly a threat where ever he lines up. I like him outside because his speed will stretch the intermediate windows. On the field side most corners aren't going to align tight against him because he will blow past them. If they do align tight, there will be over the top help from the safety. In a trip set as an X receiver, Dorsett would command all sorts of attention. That type of attention would free up a lot of room for the slot receiver.

 

[LuCane]

I love the threat that Dorsett brings in the slot. He is unique with his long speed at that position. He killed NC State up the seam and should have done the same thing to Notre Dame.

Same. That's why I keep mentioning him there. He's the ultimate "decoy" if the defense gives him proper attention. If not, he gets as open as he did against Notre Dame (1st play of the game; drop). It's that type of speed that can really make Safeties drop and create large holes in the intermediate game.

Similar thinking...He is certainly a threat where ever he lines up. I like him outside because his speed will stretch the intermediate windows. On the field side most corners aren't going to align tight against him because he will blow past them. If they do align tight, there will be over the top help from the safety. In a trip set as an X receiver, Dorsett would command all sorts of attention. That type of attention would free up a lot of room for the slot receiver.

Right. In other words, we want to see him running a lot of posts and 9s this year. His fellow WRs will thank him kindly and, here's the big hope: Morris will be able to hit those crosses in stride. From some of the short clips shown from camp, he still fires the ball in there and often stops the WR dead in his tracks.

 

[DMoney]

I love the threat that Dorsett brings in the slot. He is unique with his long speed at that position. He killed NC State up the seam and should have done the same thing to Notre Dame.

Same. That's why I keep mentioning him there. He's the ultimate "decoy" if the defense gives him proper attention. If not, he gets as open as he did against Notre Dame (1st play of the game; drop). It's that type of speed that can really make Safeties drop and create large holes in the intermediate game.

Similar thinking...He is certainly a threat where ever he lines up. I like him outside because his speed will stretch the intermediate windows. On the field side most corners aren't going to align tight against him because he will blow past them. If they do align tight, there will be over the top help from the safety. In a trip set as an X receiver, Dorsett would command all sorts of attention. That type of attention would free up a lot of room for the slot receiver.

The interesting thing about the WR group is that there is no true slot guy. Dallas Crawford is probably our best slot guy and he is technically a running back.

I like Dorsett there just because he commands so much respect down the seam and he has the quickness to exploit that two-way release. We needed his speed on the outside last year, but with Malcolm Lewis back, Stacy Coley and Herb "4.4" Waters we have enough speed on the outside to stretch the field now.

 

[zone3cane]

The interesting thing about the WR group is that there is no true slot guy.

I think thats what makes this current group of WR stand out so much..... it's their versatility. There isnt one WR on the roster that is limited to only being a slot receiver, but we have plenty of receivers that can play the position.

Phillip Dorsett, Malcolm Lewis, Stacy Coley, and Herb Waters all possess the necessary skill set to play in the slot which is a match-up nightmare for def. coordinators b/c not every CB that may be able to match-up with these receivers on the outside, can play the nickel.

 

[Dynasty]

I love the threat that Dorsett brings in the slot. He is unique with his long speed at that position. He killed NC State up the seam and should have done the same thing to Notre Dame.

Same. That's why I keep mentioning him there. He's the ultimate "decoy" if the defense gives him proper attention. If not, he gets as open as he did against Notre Dame (1st play of the game; drop). It's that type of speed that can really make Safeties drop and create large holes in the intermediate game.

Similar thinking...He is certainly a threat where ever he lines up. I like him outside because his speed will stretch the intermediate windows. On the field side most corners aren't going to align tight against him because he will blow past them. If they do align tight, there will be over the top help from the safety. In a trip set as an X receiver, Dorsett would command all sorts of attention. That type of attention would free up a lot of room for the slot receiver.

The interesting thing about the WR group is that there is no true slot guy. Dallas Crawford is probably our best slot guy and he is technically a running back.

I like Dorsett there just because he commands so much respect down the seam and he has the quickness to exploit that two-way release. We needed his speed on the outside last year, but with Malcolm Lewis back, Stacy Coley and Herb "4.4" Waters we have enough speed on the outside to stretch the field now.

That's why I asked in an earlier thread whether or not SColey could play the slot. Dorsett can rip the top off of any secondary with his speed. The issue is whether he can handle the physical pounding inside and operate in traffic. Other than deep routes from the slot what else does Dorsett bring to the table? The slot requires an athletic shake and mover type receiver. Someone who can get in and out breaks while making plays when contact is coming. I'm not sure Dorsett is that type. MLewis and Hurns are probably better suited for the slot, but I don't think they bring they bring the explosiveness and initial quickness that Coley does. The only question about Coley is as a true freshman can he handle the physicality of the position.

 

[DMoney]

That's why I asked in an earlier thread whether or not SColey could play the slot. Dorsett can rip the top off of any secondary with his speed. The issue is whether he can handle the physical pounding inside and operate in traffic. Other than deep routes from the slot what else does Dorsett bring to the table? The slot requires an athletic shake and mover type receiver. Someone who can get in and out breaks while making plays when contact is coming. I'm not sure Dorsett is that type. MLewis and Hurns are probably better suited for the slot, but I don't think they bring they bring the explosiveness and initial quickness that Coley does. The only question about Coley is as a true freshman can he handle the physicality of the position.

Dorsett is our quickest receiver, IMO, even though it hasn't translated to making guys miss with the ball in his hands.

Hurns is interesting in the slot. He is very quick in and out of his breaks for a bigger guy, and he's tougher than Dorsett.