For those that went to a practice

[plantcity3]

Well even of the coach is better a changing the plays. It's tips the D off that the play is being changed. Morris called the plays under Fisch and he didn't do any worse than Coley calling them. Some coaches use it as a ego trip. Too much control like it's a video game

How is it any different then a QB yelling out a bunch of random words? That should tip the D off too right? How do you even know when the play is being changed? Maybe we are just giving dummy signals so the D can start over thinking.

 

[Coach Macho]

The thing is...

It doesn't matter if the defense knows you changed your play. The OC is waiting to see what you line-up in and he's calling an offensive play that will expose it. The defense is at a disadvantage unless they disguise what they're doing presnap.

 

[drifters1234]

Complaining about the check with me stuff or the center tapping is a really good way to show you don't know very much.

the glaring problem with the OL tapping is that there was never any adjustment in the timing. Consequently, all year long we had defensive linemen knowing exactly when the snap was coming, and they consistently penetrated our OL, which was supposed to be a strength last year.

It was especially brutal in the bowl game; that, and our utter inability to adjust to Louisville's DL walking around pre-snap. We looked amateurish.

 

[sauce47]

Kaaya will be calling everything at the line In a few years like a young Peyton manning.

 

[Chuckles]

May be the latest notion to allow for last minute coach input but if I'm the defensive coach I give you a false look then change it after the "check with me." What do they do then, check again? Then I change the D again after the check with me, etc. etc. etc.. Let me know when Peyton Manning starts doing it.

Sounds like it is an advantage only against a dull-witted defensive coach, or a defense that couldn't defend whatever is run.

 

[Angry Ibis]

May be the latest notion to allow for last minute coach input but if I'm the defensive coach I give you a false look then change it after the "check with me." What do they do then, check again? Then I change the D again after the check with me, etc. etc. etc.. Let me know when Peyton Manning starts doing it.

Sounds like it is an advantage only against a dull-witted defensive coach, or a defense that couldn't defend whatever is run.

Peyton Manning is the example you use to convince everyone else that our Freshman QB should not look toward the sideline?

COME ON MANE!

 

[IndayArtHauz]

So if they get the call from a speaker inside of the helmet, is that also embarrassing?

 

[Torocane]

Do we still line up at the line of scrimmage and have the whole ****ing team look over to Coley to make the adjustment? Or are we actually letting our qb do the thinking? I hate that ****! Please tell me we have gone away from that , it makes us look soooooo incompetent. Especially when we check into a play that gets stuffed for a loss of three....lol

Tell me you are not implying we are the only ones to do this.
Because if you think that then you don't watch college football

 

[ProjectMKUltra5]

Complaining about the check with me stuff or the center tapping is a really good way to show you don't know very much.

the glaring problem with the OL tapping is that there was never any adjustment in the timing. Consequently, all year long we had defensive linemen knowing exactly when the snap was coming, and they consistently penetrated our OL, which was supposed to be a strength last year.

It was especially brutal in the bowl game; that, and our utter inability to adjust to Louisville's DL walking around pre-snap. We looked amateurish.

I get the check with me stuff but i don't get the logic behind the tapping the center. If its just a silent count for loud stadiums then why not use something else less predictable? OSU does the hand clap, but they do it more then once and mix it up, sometimes its once and sometimes its twice. There's so many visual cues you can use to snap the ball i dont get why we have to use the same one with the same timing almost every time its used. Hopefully that Coach Macho fella or somebody who really knows there football can explain the reasoning for why we do it the way we do.

 

[plantcity3]

Complaining about the check with me stuff or the center tapping is a really good way to show you don't know very much.

the glaring problem with the OL tapping is that there was never any adjustment in the timing. Consequently, all year long we had defensive linemen knowing exactly when the snap was coming, and they consistently penetrated our OL, which was supposed to be a strength last year.

It was especially brutal in the bowl game; that, and our utter inability to adjust to Louisville's DL walking around pre-snap. We looked amateurish.

I get the check with me stuff but i don't get the logic behind the tapping the center. If its just a silent count for loud stadiums then why not use something else less predictable? OSU does the hand clap, but they do it more then once and mix it up, sometimes its once and sometimes its twice. There's so many visual cues you can use to snap the ball i dont get why we have to use the same one with the same timing almost every time its used. Hopefully that Coach Macho fella or somebody who really knows there football can explain the reasoning for why we do it the way we do.

Tapping the center allows for the center to keep his full attention on the front and not have to look back at the QB. This way the center can call out any line shifts, slide the protection, etc. The tap signals that the QB is ready for the ball. The center can snap the ball whenever he is ready after the tap.

If the center snaps the ball as soon as he is tapped, then yes, the defense will time the snap everytime.

 

[Coach Macho]

May be the latest notion to allow for last minute coach input but if I'm the defensive coach I give you a false look then change it after the "check with me." What do they do then, check again? Then I change the D again after the check with me, etc. etc. etc.. Let me know when Peyton Manning starts doing it.

Sounds like it is an advantage only against a dull-witted defensive coach, or a defense that couldn't defend whatever is run.

And here is where you have the chess match between OC and DC.

 

[dg151]

May be the latest notion to allow for last minute coach input but if I'm the defensive coach I give you a false look then change it after the "check with me." What do they do then, check again? Then I change the D again after the check with me, etc. etc. etc.. Let me know when Peyton Manning starts doing it.

Sounds like it is an advantage only against a dull-witted defensive coach, or a defense that couldn't defend whatever is run.

You realize the stuff Coley does from the sideline is basically what Peyton does on the field right?

 

[frostycane]

Its not a matter of us doing it as much as it is our ability to make it work. Oregon does it but does not take so **** long that they also lose the quickness of getting the play off. We stand there for so ******* long sometimes, and maybe change the play but not the formation while the d then has time to adjust to our formation. To me its no different than the guard center tap. Go watch the **** Louisville game, they were getting a running start at the LOS as soon as they saw that tap....

Obviously ,I am just a dim witted fan, but I know when you have an advantage because your doing something and when you don't. And the way WE do the look over to the sideline, stand there for ten seconds while the D gets a ******* drink of water, yeah we do NOT get any advantage from our offensive "Pace" or "Tempo". Its like the Alabama or the Seahawks run a 3-4 blah blah blah bull**** to defend the defense. And yeah some coaches can make the 3-4 work, but offensively we aren't even sniffing the speed in which Oregon gets to the line, looks and snaps the **** ball. So don't waste my ****** time with the well Oregon does it.. when half you flamers that wrote that are the same ones that completely **** on anyone that says that MSU runs a 3-4 and it works for them......We dont run the same 3-4 as MSU and we sure as **** are NOT Oregon on offense....

 

[Gamineal]

watch the last 5 years of FSU football ( except last season),,,you will see this, and no TE use, stretch play etc...pretty vanilla

 

[Evenkeel24]

Hopefully, the OL won't tap the center's butt anymore either, that was a real give away.

Lol this was flat out embarrassing

 

[dg151]

Its not a matter of us doing it as much as it is our ability to make it work. Oregon does it but does not take so **** long that they also lose the quickness of getting the play off. We stand there for so ****ing long sometimes, and maybe change the play but not the formation while the d then has time to adjust to our formation. To me its no different than the guard center tap. Go watch the **** Louisville game, they were getting a running start at the LOS as soon as they saw that tap....

Obviously ,I am just a dim witted fan, but I know when you have an advantage because your doing something and when you don't. And the way WE do the look over to the sideline, stand there for ten seconds while the D gets a ****ing drink of water, yeah we do NOT get any advantage from our offensive "Pace" or "Tempo". Its like the Alabama or the Seahawks run a 3-4 blah blah blah bull**** to defend the defense. And yeah some coaches can make the 3-4 work, but offensively we aren't even sniffing the speed in which Oregon gets to the line, looks and snaps the **** ball. So don't waste my ****in time with the well Oregon does it.. when half you flamers that wrote that are the same ones that completely **** on anyone that says that MSU runs a 3-4 and it works for them......We dont run the same 3-4 as MSU and we sure as **** are NOT Oregon on offense....

The general point isn't tempo or speed, it's to see how the defense lines up against the formation you show and then call a play depending on that.