For those experts out there - Emory's arm strength Q?

[hcanes100]

I'm hoping he learned a ton from Cam

 

[Bunker Mentality]

Timing and accuracy >> Arm strength

Mario will have us right.

 

[dk72]

Emory does not have a strong arm. I could deal with the weak arm if he weren't also a statue.

QBs like that are MUCH easier to defend against.

Where is this "statue" narrative coming from? He's definitely a pocket passer and not a big runner, but he is far from being immobile, and can scramble when necessary. He's definitely far more mobile than Kaaya was, and than Malik Murphy is now. Probably on par with Van Dyke in mobility, if not more. His senior year of HS he had almost 250 yds rushing.

Same with the arm strength narrative. He doesn't have a rocket arm, but it's certainly adequate and not weak as some are trying to claim. I think his closest comparison would be Ryan Finley in physical attributes and abilities, who was an effective college QB that even got drafted and hung around the league for a few years.

 

[SCarolina Ibis]

Where is this "statue" narrative coming from? He's definitely a pocket passer and not a big runner, but he is far from being immobile, and can scramble when necessary. He's definitely far more mobile than Kaaya was, and than Malik Murphy is now. Probably on par with Van Dyke in mobility, if not more. His senior year of HS he had almost 250 yds rushing.

Same with the arm strength narrative. He doesn't have a rocket arm, but it's certainly adequate and not weak as some are trying to claim. I think his closest comparison would be Ryan Finley in physical attributes and abilities, who was an effective college QB that even got drafted and hung around the league for a few years.

I'm not the only one saying any of this. Literally everyone.. even the Emory fan club acknowledges that he's a statue. And the consensus is that he has much less mobility than Mendoza. Which.. ****.

"Better mobility that Kaaya" is an extremely low bar. That's like saying I walk faster an 80 year old. That doesn't mean I walk fast.

What is his "adequate" arm strength based on? There's nothing on film to support that statement. We can go back to high school tape. There's nothing to support it there either. And those are his HIGHLIGHTS. I also watched him play live 3x his senior year. He short hopped the ball to his recievers, hit them below their knees and "ran" for literally no gains.

I mean.. Did you see what @Memnon had to say about him? Or where dmoney called him "a game manager". I assume not or this probably wouldn't be a discussion.

 

[NE Canes]

Arm strength is so much more than throwing the ball a long distance. That’s actually the least important thing. If you’re inside the five and the defense is compressed, can you squeeze the ball into a tiny window before the defender can react? Can you pull the ball on an RPO/ wide receiver screen and hit the field side receiver before the defender reads screen? Can you hit the slant against man coverage in that split second between when the receiver crosses the DB’s face and when he gets too close to the linebacker? These are things you need to do as a FBS quarterback. If you have a noodle arm, you can’t and you’re limiting your offense.

Mostly Correct.

Arm strength is about getting the ball to the opposite sideline. Especially before a DB closes. A QB can't float the ball out there. When pro scouts look at arm strength this is what they are looking for. A QB will not smell the NFL if they cannot make this throw.

Not distance at all.

 

[24/7canes]

No one,.. is going to replace Ward. I’ll say it again for the people in the back.
NO ONE IS REPLACING WARD.

WELL FCK THANKS FOR EVERYTHING DEBBIE DOWNER WER PRETTY MUCH FCKED FOR NEXT 20 YEARS . Bama won titles with Noodle limp **** qbs who never did a thing in the NFL. We need to build a team that plays together and not oner based on 1 fcking player. Dorsey had a sorry *** arm and should haVE PROBLY WON 3 titles with him. Tell me im wrong. he lost his first ever game and then went undfeated and we all know 100% we would have won that title. Won next one then got faked by Terry Porter on his last. So again why do we need a rocket slinger as a qb. Play fcking smart and dont loose the fcking game. Cam probably won and lost 2 games each. it is what it is. we weren't ready. It's that fcking simple.

 

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

His arm is stronger than what I saw when we were recruiting him but it’s still below average. Quarterbacks don’t need rocket launcher arms but there is a minimum threshold to where a weaker arm will actually hurt you if you fall below that point. I don’t know if Emory is below that threshold. Offenses spread the field much wider today so it’s not just a matter of throwing vertically but being able to throw the ball horizontally with good enough quickness. If you can’t get the ball out quick enough on a WR screen, you’re not a starting caliber quarterback.

Check down Charlie’s don’t perform well enough to rely on in today’s game. It’s really had to find a good quarterback in college football with a below average arm. You better be one **** of an athlete/improviser if you don’t have a live arm.

@filmcane Prepare to be flamed…. You’re not allowed to believe our QBs have the ability to grow. Especially Emory into anything SOLID enough for our fans.

I’m not an Emory apologist. I want Mateer or another proven Stud if we can acquire one, but based off of very limited film against the two best D’s in the ACC last year the True Freshmen did not appear good enough for our fans.

With him recovering from injury in Spring/Summer he still wasn’t 100% but out Poff in the 3rd place with ease.

It’s not worth the debate. They hate him for real and want no success for the poor kid.

 

[DTP]

@filmcane Prepare to be flamed…. You’re not allowed to believe our QBs have the ability to grow. Especially Emory into anything SOLID enough for our fans.

I’m not an Emory apologist. I want Mateer or another proven Stud if we can acquire one, but based off of very limited film against the two best D’s in the ACC last year the True Freshmen did not appear good enough for our fans.

With him recovering from injury in Spring/Summer he still wasn’t 100% but out Poff in the 3rd place with ease.

It’s not worth the debate. They hate him for real and want no success for the poor kid.

Why did you quote me?

 

[Negro-Wan Kanobi]

I note a lot of irreplaceable folks in cemetaries.

No one will duplicate Ward - but someone WILL play at QB next season - and I have this from a good, reliable source.

At times, I think we underachieved due to the team relying too much on Ward to carry the team - and he tried! He tried!

If everyone played balls out like Ward did - we'd be sitting in the cat seat right now.

But we didn't.

Coaches relied on Ward - and didn't fully do their job.

That part.
That's pretty sad, if you really sit and think and ponder on the bolded part.

 

[Negro-Wan Kanobi]

OP asked for “experts” and got CiS instead

He was hoping for @Lance Roffers probably.

 

[DTP]

He needs a perfect pocket cause he’s not throwing on the run and he’s not throwing off platform. Ceiling with Emory is probably 30 ppg

His extreme lack of athletic ability makes his lack of arm strength a bigger concern. If you’re going to be a 100% pocket passer. You have to be able to get the ball where it needs to be quickly.

I’m still trying to think of a good college quarterback in recent history that had a below average arm and couldn’t run. I keep thinking Graham Mertz but he wasn’t a good college quarterback

 

[DTP]

Also I loved Steve Walsh and Ken Dorsey but can we stop making almost 40 year old comparisons? Today’s game is not the same as it was 25 years ago and it’s miles away from where it was 35 years ago. This is like Notre Dame fans saying they should go back to a wing T offense because Paul Hornung was so awesome.

 

[The U is back to work]

 

[252cane]

Where is this "statue" narrative coming from? He's definitely a pocket passer and not a big runner, but he is far from being immobile, and can scramble when necessary. He's definitely far more mobile than Kaaya was, and than Malik Murphy is now. Probably on par with Van Dyke in mobility, if not more. His senior year of HS he had almost 250 yds rushing.

Same with the arm strength narrative. He doesn't have a rocket arm, but it's certainly adequate and not weak as some are trying to claim. I think his closest comparison would be Ryan Finley in physical attributes and abilities, who was an effective college QB that even got drafted and hung around the league for a few years.

Took him 20 minutes to get that first down vs fsu. The dude is a slug

 

[dk72]

I'm not the only one saying any of this. Literally everyone.. even the Emory fan club acknowledges that he's a statue. And the consensus is that he has much less mobility than Mendoza. Which.. ****.

"Better mobility that Kaaya" is an extremely low bar. That's like saying I walk faster an 80 year old. That doesn't mean I walk fast.

What is his "adequate" arm strength based on? There's nothing on film to support that statement. We can go back to high school tape. There's nothing to support it there either. And those are his HIGHLIGHTS. I also watched him play live 3x his senior year. He short hopped the ball to his recievers, hit them below their knees and "ran" for literally no gains.

I mean.. Did you see what @Memnon had to say about him? Or where dmoney called him "a game manager". I assume not or this probably wouldn't be a discussion.

Funny thing is, if you go back and read his recruiting profiles and articles about him as a recruit, they point out exactly the things I had posted. As for being a "statue" I read in one profile that he was a state qualifier in high school track at a couple of running events. As is the standard here, a lot of posters dramatically over exaggerate things in one direction or another in order to support their biases. Average arm becomes weakest arm ever, average mobility becomes slower than grandpa. If the way people here are describing him were true he wouldn't have been a high 3 star QB invited to (and quite successful in) the Elite 11. He wouldn't have recruiting profiles that specifically point out that he has good but not great arm strength and decent mobility. He is very much a Ryan Finley clone, who while not good enough to make it in the NFL for more than a few seasons, was drafted, and was an effective college QB. Not saying Williams would be a star player, don't know yet if he'd develop the mental processing speed and knowledge of defenses necessary to elevate his game, but the claims about his physical limitations are absolutely exaggerated taking adequate and claiming its terrible.

 

[TheShredder]

WELL FCK THANKS FOR EVERYTHING DEBBIE DOWNER WER PRETTY MUCH FCKED FOR NEXT 20 YEARS . Bama won titles with Noodle limp **** qbs who never did a thing in the NFL. We need to build a team that plays together and not oner based on 1 fcking player. Dorsey had a sorry *** arm and should haVE PROBLY WON 3 titles with him. Tell me im wrong. he lost his first ever game and then went undfeated and we all know 100% we would have won that title. Won next one then got faked by Terry Porter on his last. So again why do we need a rocket slinger as a qb. Play fcking smart and dont loose the fcking game. Cam probably won and lost 2 games each. it is what it is. we weren't ready. It's that fcking simple.

We don't recruit close to the way Bama recruits. They had 20 5*s, they had a good DC and Saban. We have Wario and a **** defense. Think next time big brain

 

[Ispyin]

I feel like we've established that Emory has the leadership and smarts to lead the team, but it seems like there has been a little shade on his arm strength. I'm no expert on arm strength and it's clear even for amateur such as I that Cam has a stronger throwing arm than Emory, but my real question for the pros out there is - is his arm strength adequate to run a pass heavy O or do we HAVE to get another QB with a strong enough arm?

Personal opinion - I think his arm strength is enough to lead the O, but curious as to what you fellas think.....

You’re very kind. Or very funny.

“Experts”

On CIS

 

[canefan96]

Emory went 8 for 23 in the game against FSpuke, his arm strength is not what I’m concerned about.

 

[BigWindyCane1]

IMHO, Emory deserves an opportunity. If the Canes get a portal QB, it should be to compete with Emory. If the Canes don’t start giving the players they recruit a chance to compete, it will adversely impact recruiting in the long run and HS players will stop committing to Mario. I think we saw a little of that this recruiting class.

The Canes recruited Emory, he came in and played as an unprepared true freshman and led the team. This year, he was outstanding in mop up duty against Ball State. If the starters played a little better and more consistently this season, Emory would have gotten more reps this season, especially in ACC play.

I look at the 12 QBs in the CFP playoff this season. No QB is nearly as good as Cam Ward or even Shadeur Sanders, but the 12 teams are balanced on offense and defense. Poff was not good enough to lead the Canes, but Emory is very capable of running a balanced offense. If we need a Cam Ward every year in order to win, then the Canes will never be an elite program

 

[305407cane]

His extreme lack of athletic ability makes his lack of arm strength a bigger concern. If you’re going to be a 100% pocket passer. You have to be able to get the ball where it needs to be quickly.

I’m still trying to think of a good college quarterback in recent history that had a below average arm and couldn’t run. I keep thinking Graham Mertz but he wasn’t a good college quarterback

Emory has 10/10 intangibles. But we put ourselves in a box with him.