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For the people worrying about killing kaaya confidence

So yall are ok with a 5th year senior who cant beat out a true freshman because he has experince.

Heaps last 2 years as as starter 19tds 17ints about 50% on completions. I'm not ok with it.

If he would had started whole seasons he would have thrown 15+ ints both years.

This guy is not good and has only been in the offense for almost 2 months.

Kaaya has had the playbook since the spring so he has more experince with this offense than heaps.

I hope williams can come back before nebraska if heaps is the guy.
 
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weownfsu said:
Worrying about killing his confidence is dumb. If the kid is the guy who is going to be a big time QB here, his confidence won't be shattered because he faces some hard times as a freshman.
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Top 10 NFL draft picks lose confidence when they are thrown to the wolves before they are ready. It isn't that uncommon.
 
When you look at the landscape of college football those numbers aren't world beater numbers. And the record of those teams reflect that.
 
252cane said:
So yall are ok with a 5th year senior who cant beat out a true freshman because he has experince.
How do you know that?
Heaps last 2 years as as starter 19tds 17ints about 50% on completions. I'm not ok with it.
I'm not okay with it either, so what's that got to do with Heaps today and with this team?
If he would had started whole seasons he would have thrown 15+ ints both years.
Maybe, but you don't KNOW that.
This guy is not good and has only been in the offense for almost 2 months.
Insofar as you know.
Kaaya has had the playbook since the spring so he has more experince with this offense than heaps.

I hope williams can come back before nebraska if heaps is the guy.
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So yall are ok with a 5th year senior who cant beat out a true freshman because he has experince.

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motorcitycane said:
Some of y'all never watched PSU games last season. Hackenburg was and is the goods. He will be a the B1G's first QB first rounder in the draft since 1995.
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I like Hackenburg a lot but I did watch a lot of their games and also saw along with the flashes of greatness a complete junk game by him 9 weeks into the season at Minnesota where they lost by 2 tds. I'm just saying that he isn't the perfect case to point to as complete justification to start Kaaya (something that I'm in favor of).
 
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Heaps is going to be the starter so all the is irrelevant. Golden is not going to go with a FR. His defensive philosophy is his philosophy...a defensive philosophy. Prevent, play percentages, not much gut
 
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This philosophy is completely rubbish and has been dispelled by numerous studies.

You will know exactly what you have from the day the kids steps on the field. If the kid loses confidence, which happens to players at all ages, it is a character and mental make up issue that would effect them regardless of the scenario. QBa who start as freshman and never develop results from them being a mediocre qb, period. Studies show overperformers in freshman campaigns and under performers generally regress to the mean of mediocrity. That reason is simple...most college QBa are average. Players who progress each year are superstars who would have the same success regardless of when they start a game.

The issue is that in general, a freshman QBs performance will not be spectacular in most cases and will effect overall team performance. Which is why starting a freshman QB is not always great for the team, especially if you don't have too.

Jacory had a lot of confidence his freshman year and became a mental midget by the time he left. Stephen Morris waited his turn and had many period of bad qb play that often seemed like a lack of confidence.

Ken Dorsey was thrust into action versus VT as a freshman and started last three games. Regardless of competitor, you immediately knew we had a great QB.

If Kaaya is the goods, he will show it from day 1. Like Sam Bradford, colt McCoy, etc. he will struggle some but will learn from his bad performances and develop. If he is mediocre. He will struggle some and then continue to struggle, because he wasn't going to be any better than average anyways.
 
CaneSB said:
This philosophy is completely rubbish and has been dispelled by numerous studies.

You will know exactly what you have from the day the kids steps on the field. If the kid loses confidence, which happens to players at all ages, it is a character and mental make up issue that would effect them regardless of the scenario. QBa who start as freshman and never develop results from them being a mediocre qb, period. Studies show overperformers in freshman campaigns and under performers generally regress to the mean of mediocrity. That reason is simple...most college QBa are average. Players who progress each year are superstars who would have the same success regardless of when they start a game.

The issue is that in general, a freshman QBs performance will not be spectacular in most cases and will effect overall team performance. Which is why starting a freshman QB is not always great for the team, especially if you don't have too.

Jacory had a lot of confidence his freshman year and became a mental midget by the time he left. Stephen Morris waited his turn and had many period of bad qb play that often seemed like a lack of confidence.

Ken Dorsey was thrust into action versus VT as a freshman and started last three games. Regardless of competitor, you immediately knew we had a great QB.

If Kaaya is the goods, he will show it from day 1. Like Sam Bradford, colt McCoy, etc. he will struggle some but will learn from his bad performances and develop. If he is mediocre. He will struggle some and then continue to struggle, because he wasn't going to be any better than average anyways.
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I agree that if Kaaya is the goods, it won't matter how soon he starts for his personal development. It's the part of your post that I bolded that really matters for us.
 
252cane said:
So yall are ok with a 5th year senior who cant beat out a true freshman because he has experince.

Heaps last 2 years as as starter 19tds 17ints about 50% on completions. I'm not ok with it.

If he would had started whole seasons he would have thrown 15+ ints both years.

This guy is not good and has only been in the offense for almost 2 months.

Kaaya has had the playbook since the spring so he has more experince with this offense than heaps.

I hope williams can come back before nebraska if heaps is the guy.
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While I understand what you are trying to say there are so many unknowns in your post (i.e. opinions) that you are trying to state as undeniable facts you would have been better off not even posting to begin with.
 
Heaps is going to start and remind people why he was so highly rated coming out of high school by showing the f*%k out. With all the talent we have on offense, Heaps going to look like Mf'n Brees.
 
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shayleon said:
Heaps is going to start and remind people why he was so highly rated coming out of high school by showing the f*%k out. With all the talent we have on offense, Heaps going to look like Mf'n Brees.
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lulz - I like your optimism. Let's hope there is reason for it.
 
CaneSB said:
Ken Dorsey was thrust into action versus VT as a freshman and started last three games. Regardless of competitor, you immediately knew we had a great QB.

If Kaaya is the goods, he will show it from day 1. Like Sam Bradford, colt McCoy, etc. he will struggle some but will learn from his bad performances and develop. If he is mediocre. He will struggle some and then continue to struggle, because he wasn't going to be any better than average anyways.
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You immediately knew Dorsey was great in that Vag Tech game? He was awful.
 
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If tradition is coming back, Heaps will be ok--IMO many of the great QB's were great because the Miami Offense was far superior than its opponents defenses and just beat the **** out of them in all facets of the game. If the OL comes through and if Heaps is the starter, the surrounding cast of weapons are capable of making the offense Miami-like, if so, IMO this team can be very good, and with the recruiting trending up we are headed in the right direction.
 
I think Heaps storyline this season will be similar to Tom Savage....transfered multiple times until he found the right fit. The offensive talent available on miami exceeds Kansas and BYU combined. He's experienced, accurate and has a pretty good arm. He wasnt ranked number 1 out of HS for nothing. He may not actually be number one but he def aint no scrub. Im surprised more Cane fans arent as optimistic about how good Heaps can be with this offense. JMO..
 
The Franchise said:
CaneSB said:
Ken Dorsey was thrust into action versus VT as a freshman and started last three games. Regardless of competitor, you immediately knew we had a great QB.

If Kaaya is the goods, he will show it from day 1. Like Sam Bradford, colt McCoy, etc. he will struggle some but will learn from his bad performances and develop. If he is mediocre. He will struggle some and then continue to struggle, because he wasn't going to be any better than average anyways.
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You immediately knew Dorsey was great in that Vag Tech game? He was awful.
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Mistated. I meant to say from the VT game and his final 3 games of the season. He wasnt playing against great comp, think he has Temple and Rutgers in there, but he followed up the "confidence" destroying game with 803 yards and 10 touchdowns on 74-of-120 passing...converted 63 percent of Miami's third down attempts. Keep in mind VT went 11-1 and played against FSu for National Championship.

Your use 'awful' makes wonder if you expecting something different?
 
If UM's first 3 games were all at home against the 99 versions of Temple, Rutgers, and Syracuse, it wouldn't matter who we started at QB.
 
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