Final spring observations

[westcoastcanes]

OL a mess, no big time WR, LB spotty, DB a mess, no big time RB

How is this possible in year 5 at freaking Miami?

Rb edwards, Yearby, walton is better than any other running back group in the ACC outside of maybe fsu..... Arguably better

Lb Kirby, grace,Mccord, Owens,- top 4 better again better than anyone in the ACC.... Including fsu who's depth is horrid at the position

Db a group of elder, howard, burns, bush, carter can compete with anyone in the nation talent wise.. Top 2 in the ACC

Wideout group- top 3 in the ACC once again with coley, scott, waters, lewis, berries...

Again tell me more how we don't have big time talent in those spots? Each of the guys I named were blue chip recruits coming out of highschool except for edwards. It's no where near as bad as you and some in the thread are making it seam.... Just looking for something to talk sh*t about imo....

Oline group is a work in progress but kehoe knows how to get it done by the season

I love your eternal optimism. we all deal with death, depression, and personal sorrow differently, denial is a stage some people prefer to remain in, while others move on and face reality.

I guess the problem Is you are simply exaggerating the talent level. Blue chip recruit doesn't always mean elite player. bama and FSU have several 4-5 stars bust in each class. Also, talent level isn't correllated to wins with Al Golden. FSU and Loiuville were the only teams with more talent last year. Clemson and FSU will be the only teams with a higher recruiting ranking average this year.

Yearby is good. But is he elite? edwards hasn't shown much to be optimistic about, but maybe he becomes servicable.

What has Kirby done to be considered anything other than serviceable? Owens is still an unknown and McCord isn't guaranteed to be good at SAM. Is this really better than FSU? T. Smith, Northtup, Thomas, a #1 JUCO OLB, and 4-star Kilby Lane? Maybe, but it takes some blind homerism to conclusively state that now.

At DB, Paul Williams negates talent, and Howard is a bust. Too slow to play press man, and to soft to be a zone corner. He also can't tackle in the flats. elder and Burns could be dominant, but that is only true 2 CBs. jamal Carter would be on the scout team at FSU, LSU, Bama, etc. Typical workout warrior type that can't process information on the field. Bush is elite but has a serious history of injury. Depth and talent is a major concern at DB.

At Wideout, Lewis clearly isn't the same player post injury, Waters clearly isn't what anybody thought he was. Scott has been here 10 years and every year is his "breakout year". Coley isnt guaranteed to be elite. People hyped Him after a 500 yard freshman season full of dropped passes and lazy routes, and he quit like a girl after getting tackled in the opener with Loisuville, his attitude and commitment were questioned as a recruit, it appears those questions were valid. berrios is kind of "meh". Who is gonna stretch the field and open up underneath routes?

OL... if you think that situation is good, then I dont know what to tell you.

A lot of alleged "facts" in this post. So after one year of ball as Tr-Fr the jury is already out on Yearby and Berrios (who is as you call it, meh..) LMAO. Man Im glad none of yall were around in the early 00s when AJohnson had problems catching the ball his first two years here. You guys would have thrown him to the wolves.

You kids are in this "microwave" generation. Want to make 150k per year right out of undergrad or you will just keep skipping from job to job and you want each and every freshmen to play like Adrian Peterson or they are not "as good as advertised".

Im not ready to say that our LB core wont be as good if not better then FSU esp the way Grace is playing. Did you go to the Spring game? I was impressed.

Agree that the DB situation is not at an elite level. But when did we ever need 5 CBs ready to go, esp in this scheme? **** why you think ACrawford LEFT. We don't play 5 DBs. **** we don't play 4! We play 3 at the most in this scheme. And Burns/Elder/Howard are good enough for me. And most think Burns/Elder can be elite.

Def agree with the S problem. Carter just is there yet. Bush will have to cover up a lot of mistakes in this group.

You are nitpicking at WR. Coley had a down sophomore year. Happens to the best of them. He can bounce back. Now if he were a SR? Then I would agree with your sentiment.

You fail to mention the good that came out of Spring. Like how our Dline is playing lights out and how the light might have come on for Wyche. And if it has he could singlehandedly carry this entire defense. We all know what a good DTackle can do for a defense. And how Kaaya is playing lights out. And we know what a good QB is worth in wins for ANY team. Ask FSU now that Jameis is gone now. They got a sneak peak in the Clemson game of what life might be like for them now.

Situation isn't good yet. But I really don't know what you guys were expecting to see here. I think expectations for Spring ball were way too high judging by the reaction on this board. Either that or people just like to complain.

1) One of the themes of the discussion so far is that the O-line is suspect, maybe we shouldn't anoint the Dline just yet.

2) They won the game without winston over a ten win, bowl winning team. What is your point here?

 

[De Pinga]

Simmer down, a lot can, and will change in 5 months. These guys already out there working. Have you look how the spring is going at the other states school, lol! We'll be o.k.

brother, complacency has engulfed you

Nah, I just know the difference between spring ball and fall ball. Let Kehoe get an additional 5 months with the OLine, Beard with the recievers, Melvin with the Dline, Hurlie with the LB's, and Scott with the TE's...plenty of time to get better. Come September, we will all know who is ready.

I agree... Too much drama from these "never played a down of college or pro football" experts!

I played Division 1 football (D$ can attest to that) and it sounds that outside of DLine, we are toast if we have any injuries.

 

[weownfsu]

TBH, when Al got here in 2011 we were hoping for the best. The 30% attrition since he's been at the Helm is finally catching up to us. D $ mentioned how we finally have 2 deep depth at DL (great), but WR, RB, DB, S, LB, and OL is thin on quality talent. W/ all the players decommitting and/or not qualifying to make it in...this is the result.

Optimism is a euphoric mental drug that often leads to complete disappointment. So for this version of the Canes team, I'll be cautiously optomistic, but it smells like another long season w/ Golden making a ton of excuses.

Wr, rb,s, lb, talent is the best it has been in years..... Cb top 3 is the best we have since antrel rolle left... Do you not remember we had lee chambers, Brandon McGee, mike williams from wake lol and then starting?.... Elder, howard, burns is a very good top 3....
Coley, waters, scott, berrios, lewis is better than any receiving group we have had in years and will improve greatly now that they have a real coach.... Solid top 3 with yearby, edwards, and walton. Yearby had the 3rd highest rate of ten yards or more runs behind Duke and cook in the ACC that also featured james Conner as well... Lb is the most talented and athletic group we have had since golden has been here. Do you not remember guys like Cornelius, gaines and then?

Yeah, see, this is just a flat out lie.

Our WR's this year are the same as last year minus Dorsett who was our best player. How does your statement make any sense? RB is the same as last year, minus Duke Johnson. That makes no sense. LB is the same as last year minus Perryman. Your comments are absurdly bad.

 

[brock]

TBH, when Al got here in 2011 we were hoping for the best. The 30% attrition since he's been at the Helm is finally catching up to us. D $ mentioned how we finally have 2 deep depth at DL (great), but WR, RB, DB, S, LB, and OL is thin on quality talent. W/ all the players decommitting and/or not qualifying to make it in...this is the result.

Optimism is a euphoric mental drug that often leads to complete disappointment. So for this version of the Canes team, I'll be cautiously optomistic, but it smells like another long season w/ Golden making a ton of excuses.

Wr, rb,s, lb, talent is the best it has been in years..... Cb top 3 is the best we have since antrel rolle left... Do you not remember we had lee chambers, Brandon McGee, mike williams from wake lol and then starting?.... Elder, howard, burns is a very good top 3....
Coley, waters, scott, berrios, lewis is better than any receiving group we have had in years and will improve greatly now that they have a real coach.... Solid top 3 with yearby, edwards, and walton. Yearby had the 3rd highest rate of ten yards or more runs behind Duke and cook in the ACC that also featured james Conner as well... Lb is the most talented and athletic group we have had since golden has been here. Do you not remember guys like Cornelius, gaines and then?

Yeah, see, this is just a flat out lie.

Our WR's this year are the same as last year minus Dorsett who was our best player. How does your statement make any sense? RB is the same as last year, minus Duke Johnson. That makes no sense. LB is the same as last year minus Perryman. Your comments are absurdly bad.

Reading comprehension skills? Where are they? I said a solid top 3 at running back and yes they can get the job done by committee. Yeah we lose dorsett but we gain scott back, if he was healthy last year he would be in contention with dorsett for the best receiver on the team, yeah we lose perryman but we move kirby into that spot who was solid, grace who is best of the bunch to will linebacker and combo of mccord and Owens outside at sam linebacker. Talent clearly isn't lacking there

 

[whoopingcane]

Borck, you're setting yourself up for a huge disappointment this fall.

Maybe you should get your expectations in kilter.

 

[Rellyrell]

TBH, when Al got here in 2011 we were hoping for the best. The 30% attrition since he's been at the Helm is finally catching up to us. D $ mentioned how we finally have 2 deep depth at DL (great), but WR, RB, DB, S, LB, and OL is thin on quality talent. W/ all the players decommitting and/or not qualifying to make it in...this is the result.

Optimism is a euphoric mental drug that often leads to complete disappointment. So for this version of the Canes team, I'll be cautiously optomistic, but it smells like another long season w/ Golden making a ton of excuses.

Wr, rb,s, lb, talent is the best it has been in years..... Cb top 3 is the best we have since antrel rolle left... Do you not remember we had lee chambers, Brandon McGee, mike williams from wake lol and then starting?.... Elder, howard, burns is a very good top 3....
Coley, waters, scott, berrios, lewis is better than any receiving group we have had in years and will improve greatly now that they have a real coach.... Solid top 3 with yearby, edwards, and walton. Yearby had the 3rd highest rate of ten yards or more runs behind Duke and cook in the ACC that also featured james Conner as well... Lb is the most talented and athletic group we have had since golden has been here. Do you not remember guys like Cornelius, gaines and then?

Brock, my statement was WR, RB, DB, S, LB and OL is THIN on quality talent. Bush gets hurt, then what? Burns gets hurt, then what? OL is just deplorable. Scott has yet to be healthy. You have no clue if Coley will bounce back or not. Lewis is a shell of himself since coming in as a True Freshman. We don't even know if Waters will be a WR. Brady can't catch. Langham can't separate.

Do you see how many question marks we have? We haven't built quality depth in 5 YEARS under Golden. That's a problem. Last year, we were thinking of playing Njoku at LB....he's a WR!!! We have issues, issues that should not be here in year 5.

 

[cane since birth]

Yall forgetting about norton im pretty sure hes going to be a guard

 

[FSisco7]

Grab half of the guys we missed on and it's a completely different team with depth.

 

[NVA CANE]

We would need an injury free season just to get through it. Anyone that thinks it will be ok must have short term memory loss. We have less talent and less depth and while our QB may be improved a bad oline will negate that.

Prepare thy anuses

 

[ProjectMKUltra5]

An Al Grohlden coached defense and questions on the offensive line? Ugh, this is gunna be a long season. It's a shame too cause I'm such a big fan of the individual pieces on this year's team, even more so then last year.

 

[Jassid82]

OL a mess, no big time WR, LB spotty, DB a mess, no big time RB

How is this possible in year 5 at freaking Miami?

Rb edwards, Yearby, walton is better than any other running back group in the ACC outside of maybe fsu..... Arguably better

Lb Kirby, grace,Mccord, Owens,- top 4 better again better than anyone in the ACC.... Including fsu who's depth is horrid at the position

Db a group of elder, howard, burns, bush, carter can compete with anyone in the nation talent wise.. Top 2 in the ACC

Wideout group- top 3 in the ACC once again with coley, scott, waters, lewis, berries...

Again tell me more how we don't have big time talent in those spots? Each of the guys I named were blue chip recruits coming out of highschool except for edwards. It's no where near as bad as you and some in the thread are making it seam.... Just looking for something to talk sh*t about imo....

Oline group is a work in progress but kehoe knows how to get it done by the season

I love your eternal optimism. we all deal with death, depression, and personal sorrow differently, denial is a stage some people prefer to remain in, while others move on and face reality.

I guess the problem Is you are simply exaggerating the talent level. Blue chip recruit doesn't always mean elite player. bama and FSU have several 4-5 stars bust in each class. Also, talent level isn't correllated to wins with Al Golden. FSU and Loiuville were the only teams with more talent last year. Clemson and FSU will be the only teams with a higher recruiting ranking average this year.

Yearby is good. But is he elite? edwards hasn't shown much to be optimistic about, but maybe he becomes servicable.

What has Kirby done to be considered anything other than serviceable? Owens is still an unknown and McCord isn't guaranteed to be good at SAM. Is this really better than FSU? T. Smith, Northtup, Thomas, a #1 JUCO OLB, and 4-star Kilby Lane? Maybe, but it takes some blind homerism to conclusively state that now.

At DB, Paul Williams negates talent, and Howard is a bust. Too slow to play press man, and to soft to be a zone corner. He also can't tackle in the flats. elder and Burns could be dominant, but that is only true 2 CBs. jamal Carter would be on the scout team at FSU, LSU, Bama, etc. Typical workout warrior type that can't process information on the field. Bush is elite but has a serious history of injury. Depth and talent is a major concern at DB.

At Wideout, Lewis clearly isn't the same player post injury, Waters clearly isn't what anybody thought he was. Scott has been here 10 years and every year is his "breakout year". Coley isnt guaranteed to be elite. People hyped Him after a 500 yard freshman season full of dropped passes and lazy routes, and he quit like a girl after getting tackled in the opener with Loisuville, his attitude and commitment were questioned as a recruit, it appears those questions were valid. berrios is kind of "meh". Who is gonna stretch the field and open up underneath routes?

OL... if you think that situation is good, then I dont know what to tell you.

A lot of alleged "facts" in this post. So after one year of ball as Tr-Fr the jury is already out on Yearby and Berrios (who is as you call it, meh..) LMAO. Man Im glad none of yall were around in the early 00s when AJohnson had problems catching the ball his first two years here. You guys would have thrown him to the wolves.

You kids are in this "microwave" generation. Want to make 150k per year right out of undergrad or you will just keep skipping from job to job and you want each and every freshmen to play like Adrian Peterson or they are not "as good as advertised".

Im not ready to say that our LB core wont be as good if not better then FSU esp the way Grace is playing. Did you go to the Spring game? I was impressed.

Agree that the DB situation is not at an elite level. But when did we ever need 5 CBs ready to go, esp in this scheme? **** why you think ACrawford LEFT. We don't play 5 DBs. **** we don't play 4! We play 3 at the most in this scheme. And Burns/Elder/Howard are good enough for me. And most think Burns/Elder can be elite.

Def agree with the S problem. Carter just is there yet. Bush will have to cover up a lot of mistakes in this group.

You are nitpicking at WR. Coley had a down sophomore year. Happens to the best of them. He can bounce back. Now if he were a SR? Then I would agree with your sentiment.

You fail to mention the good that came out of Spring. Like how our Dline is playing lights out and how the light might have come on for Wyche. And if it has he could singlehandedly carry this entire defense. We all know what a good DTackle can do for a defense. And how Kaaya is playing lights out. And we know what a good QB is worth in wins for ANY team. Ask FSU now that Jameis is gone now. They got a sneak peak in the Clemson game of what life might be like for them now.

Situation isn't good yet. But I really don't know what you guys were expecting to see here. I think expectations for Spring ball were way too high judging by the reaction on this board. Either that or people just like to complain.

1) One of the themes of the discussion so far is that the O-line is suspect, maybe we shouldn't anoint the Dline just yet.

2) They won the game without winston over a ten win, bowl winning team. What is your point here?

1) I call it like I see it. Give credit where its due. They looked lights out in the spring game and according to DMoney, this is not a "one game wonder" here. The Dline has been good all Spring. But if they had stunk all Spring, Im sure you would have taken the opportunity to rag the **** out of them.

2) Correction, EDDIE GOLDMAN won them that game BARELY. Sean McGuire or whatever the **** his name is was just happy to be there. They wouldn't have won the ND game without Jameis. And they might not have beaten UF either. Like I said, a great QB is worth 2-3 extra wins. If Kaaya is already showing signs of stardom in the SPRING no less...that makes me very happy.

 

[The Franchise]

Great report, D$. I wish the season was starting tomorrow after reading that. Sounds like we have a legit shot at being in the final 4.

Kaaya might mess around and catch himself a Heisman trophy this year. And I'm looking for Gus to put a stranglehold on that RB spot with Yearby spelling him for a quick change of pace. I don't know if anyone's ever used this term before to describe a RB tandem (and if they have I apologize and am not looking for any sort of beef), but I'm going to call them Thunder & Lightning. Pretty catchy right?

You don't really need an OL when you have such great QB, RB, and WR play. They're just slow fat guys who get in the way when you have all that talent. I'd think of going 7 wide and lining up the RBs in a standard wishbone formation. I know it might sound goofy, but they laughed at Sid Gillman too when he modernized the passing game.

 

[whoopingcane]

Great report, D$. I wish the season was starting tomorrow after reading that. Sounds like we have a legit shot at being in the final 4.

Kaaya might mess around and catch himself a Heisman trophy this year. And I'm looking for Gus to put a stranglehold on that RB spot with Yearby spelling him for a quick change of pace. I don't know if anyone's ever used this term before to describe a RB tandem (and if they have I apologize and am not looking for any sort of beef), but I'm going to call them Thunder & Lightning. Pretty catchy right?

You don't really need an OL when you have such great QB, RB, and WR play. They're just slow fat guys who get in the way when you have all that talent. I'd think of going 7 wide and lining up the RBs in a standard wishbone formation. I know it might sound goofy, but they laughed at Sid Gillman too when he modernized the passing game.

What made the light come on for you? You've bought into the system now too?

 

[westcoastcanes]

Rb edwards, Yearby, walton is better than any other running back group in the ACC outside of maybe fsu..... Arguably better

Lb Kirby, grace,Mccord, Owens,- top 4 better again better than anyone in the ACC.... Including fsu who's depth is horrid at the position

Db a group of elder, howard, burns, bush, carter can compete with anyone in the nation talent wise.. Top 2 in the ACC

Wideout group- top 3 in the ACC once again with coley, scott, waters, lewis, berries...

Again tell me more how we don't have big time talent in those spots? Each of the guys I named were blue chip recruits coming out of highschool except for edwards. It's no where near as bad as you and some in the thread are making it seam.... Just looking for something to talk sh*t about imo....

Oline group is a work in progress but kehoe knows how to get it done by the season

I love your eternal optimism. we all deal with death, depression, and personal sorrow differently, denial is a stage some people prefer to remain in, while others move on and face reality.

I guess the problem Is you are simply exaggerating the talent level. Blue chip recruit doesn't always mean elite player. bama and FSU have several 4-5 stars bust in each class. Also, talent level isn't correllated to wins with Al Golden. FSU and Loiuville were the only teams with more talent last year. Clemson and FSU will be the only teams with a higher recruiting ranking average this year.

Yearby is good. But is he elite? edwards hasn't shown much to be optimistic about, but maybe he becomes servicable.

What has Kirby done to be considered anything other than serviceable? Owens is still an unknown and McCord isn't guaranteed to be good at SAM. Is this really better than FSU? T. Smith, Northtup, Thomas, a #1 JUCO OLB, and 4-star Kilby Lane? Maybe, but it takes some blind homerism to conclusively state that now.

At DB, Paul Williams negates talent, and Howard is a bust. Too slow to play press man, and to soft to be a zone corner. He also can't tackle in the flats. elder and Burns could be dominant, but that is only true 2 CBs. jamal Carter would be on the scout team at FSU, LSU, Bama, etc. Typical workout warrior type that can't process information on the field. Bush is elite but has a serious history of injury. Depth and talent is a major concern at DB.

At Wideout, Lewis clearly isn't the same player post injury, Waters clearly isn't what anybody thought he was. Scott has been here 10 years and every year is his "breakout year". Coley isnt guaranteed to be elite. People hyped Him after a 500 yard freshman season full of dropped passes and lazy routes, and he quit like a girl after getting tackled in the opener with Loisuville, his attitude and commitment were questioned as a recruit, it appears those questions were valid. berrios is kind of "meh". Who is gonna stretch the field and open up underneath routes?

OL... if you think that situation is good, then I dont know what to tell you.

A lot of alleged "facts" in this post. So after one year of ball as Tr-Fr the jury is already out on Yearby and Berrios (who is as you call it, meh..) LMAO. Man Im glad none of yall were around in the early 00s when AJohnson had problems catching the ball his first two years here. You guys would have thrown him to the wolves.

You kids are in this "microwave" generation. Want to make 150k per year right out of undergrad or you will just keep skipping from job to job and you want each and every freshmen to play like Adrian Peterson or they are not "as good as advertised".

Im not ready to say that our LB core wont be as good if not better then FSU esp the way Grace is playing. Did you go to the Spring game? I was impressed.

Agree that the DB situation is not at an elite level. But when did we ever need 5 CBs ready to go, esp in this scheme? **** why you think ACrawford LEFT. We don't play 5 DBs. **** we don't play 4! We play 3 at the most in this scheme. And Burns/Elder/Howard are good enough for me. And most think Burns/Elder can be elite.

Def agree with the S problem. Carter just is there yet. Bush will have to cover up a lot of mistakes in this group.

You are nitpicking at WR. Coley had a down sophomore year. Happens to the best of them. He can bounce back. Now if he were a SR? Then I would agree with your sentiment.

You fail to mention the good that came out of Spring. Like how our Dline is playing lights out and how the light might have come on for Wyche. And if it has he could singlehandedly carry this entire defense. We all know what a good DTackle can do for a defense. And how Kaaya is playing lights out. And we know what a good QB is worth in wins for ANY team. Ask FSU now that Jameis is gone now. They got a sneak peak in the Clemson game of what life might be like for them now.

Situation isn't good yet. But I really don't know what you guys were expecting to see here. I think expectations for Spring ball were way too high judging by the reaction on this board. Either that or people just like to complain.

1) One of the themes of the discussion so far is that the O-line is suspect, maybe we shouldn't anoint the Dline just yet.

2) They won the game without winston over a ten win, bowl winning team. What is your point here?

1) I call it like I see it. Give credit where its due. They looked lights out in the spring game and according to DMoney, this is not a "one game wonder" here. The Dline has been good all Spring. But if they had stunk all Spring, Im sure you would have taken the opportunity to rag the **** out of them.

2) Correction, EDDIE GOLDMAN won them that game BARELY. Sean McGuire or whatever the **** his name is was just happy to be there. They wouldn't have won the ND game without Jameis. And they might not have beaten UF either. Like I said, a great QB is worth 2-3 extra wins. If Kaaya is already showing signs of stardom in the SPRING no less...that makes me very happy.

1) So it is spring, coming off a losing season, one of our worst since the 70's, and credit is due? I guess this conversation is going nowhere, because you and I apparently see merit much differently.

2)In other words, FSU had a complete enough team everywhere beside the QB position to win a game against a ten win team without their heisman quarterback, being led by some no name. As far as I am concerned, the "glimpse" they got is that they can win a game against a good team without their best player. You are arguing an un knowable stat in how many games "might" be lost and for what, that we "might" be elevated from a 2-3 win team without kayaa to a 4-5 win team with him?

Jesus christ what am I even doing here.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Great report, D$. I wish the season was starting tomorrow after reading that. Sounds like we have a legit shot at being in the final 4.

Kaaya might mess around and catch himself a Heisman trophy this year. And I'm looking for Gus to put a stranglehold on that RB spot with Yearby spelling him for a quick change of pace. I don't know if anyone's ever used this term before to describe a RB tandem (and if they have I apologize and am not looking for any sort of beef), but I'm going to call them Thunder & Lightning. Pretty catchy right?

You don't really need an OL when you have such great QB, RB, and WR play. They're just slow fat guys who get in the way when you have all that talent. I'd think of going 7 wide and lining up the RBs in a standard wishbone formation. I know it might sound goofy, but they laughed at Sid Gillman too when he modernized the passing game.

Outstanding suggestion on offensive alignment. My only question is who would snap the ball to Kaaya out of that set?

 

[The Franchise]

Great report, D$. I wish the season was starting tomorrow after reading that. Sounds like we have a legit shot at being in the final 4.

Kaaya might mess around and catch himself a Heisman trophy this year. And I'm looking for Gus to put a stranglehold on that RB spot with Yearby spelling him for a quick change of pace. I don't know if anyone's ever used this term before to describe a RB tandem (and if they have I apologize and am not looking for any sort of beef), but I'm going to call them Thunder & Lightning. Pretty catchy right?

You don't really need an OL when you have such great QB, RB, and WR play. They're just slow fat guys who get in the way when you have all that talent. I'd think of going 7 wide and lining up the RBs in a standard wishbone formation. I know it might sound goofy, but they laughed at Sid Gillman too when he modernized the passing game.

What made the light come on for you? You've bought into the system now too?

I said it last year, but we turned the corner after the VT game.

 

[INCaneFan]

I see that Spring fever has caught on with a bunch of posters. We'll see what the DL can do when the games start, but I'm not buying into the general sentiment that we're good there.

When our offense sputtered against our defense, you know there's a problem there as well.

BK, I expect a step back from him this year. I don't believe in our OL and when he gets pressured he gets happy feet. Too bad for us, he can't run the ball worth a ****, so that compounds our problems here.

I don't believe in Gus. I don't believe in Yearby. Gray is all hype to this point and who knows what Walton will bring to the table.

WR, nobody scares anyone there. The guy with the extra gear, Waters, can't seem to put it all together. Coley, until he shows a toughness he didn't have last year, non-factor.

TE, a bunch of projects in the works so who's going to step up and how much?

LB'er, one or two injuries there and your guess is as good as mine as to what we'll do.

Secondary, that's the only strength I see on the team. Having said that, if we're playing 10 yards off the ball it won't matter.

Special teams, that's what they were last year....special for all the wrong reasons. Are they improved? I hope so, but who is going to return kicks? I don't see anyone on our roster who scares anyone.

The good news, the offenses on the schedule, there's not one besides Clemson who would be considered good going into the season. They have the best QB in the conference IMO, but will he stay healthy?

FSU lost a ton offensively and while they have some highly regarded replacements for Winston, it's still a big question mark today. They do have the best RB we'll see all year, but who's going to block for him? WR, talent on paper, but that's it.

GT, lost some of their ground game, but return their key piece in their QB. If he's learned to throw the ball better, they could be a force in time.

Nebraska was all AA, QB can't throw, and they have a new coach so we'll see what happens. I don't expect much from them.

VT, they've got 99 problems and then some.

UNC, they could surprise some since they're returning their QB who has potential but is too inconsistent to this point.

The rest, should be no problem, but Golden and company create problems where there shouldn't be.

 

[caneaddict]

A lot of people here need to realize that 1layer of talent is not enough, you gotta have layers of quality players, UM is an injury away from disaster at several positions and has major drop off from A to B as well..

 

[The Franchise]

Great report, D$. I wish the season was starting tomorrow after reading that. Sounds like we have a legit shot at being in the final 4.

Kaaya might mess around and catch himself a Heisman trophy this year. And I'm looking for Gus to put a stranglehold on that RB spot with Yearby spelling him for a quick change of pace. I don't know if anyone's ever used this term before to describe a RB tandem (and if they have I apologize and am not looking for any sort of beef), but I'm going to call them Thunder & Lightning. Pretty catchy right?

You don't really need an OL when you have such great QB, RB, and WR play. They're just slow fat guys who get in the way when you have all that talent. I'd think of going 7 wide and lining up the RBs in a standard wishbone formation. I know it might sound goofy, but they laughed at Sid Gillman too when he modernized the passing game.

Outstanding suggestion on offensive alignment. My only question is who would snap the ball to Kaaya out of that set?

We could ask the officials prior to the game if it would be ok if Coach Kehoe could stand sideways and just flip the ball back to Kaaya. He would not block or get involved in the play so I don't see why anyone would be against this. If they are then Kaaya could just pick the ball up from the ground.

 

[Jassid82]

I love your eternal optimism. we all deal with death, depression, and personal sorrow differently, denial is a stage some people prefer to remain in, while others move on and face reality.

I guess the problem Is you are simply exaggerating the talent level. Blue chip recruit doesn't always mean elite player. bama and FSU have several 4-5 stars bust in each class. Also, talent level isn't correllated to wins with Al Golden. FSU and Loiuville were the only teams with more talent last year. Clemson and FSU will be the only teams with a higher recruiting ranking average this year.

Yearby is good. But is he elite? edwards hasn't shown much to be optimistic about, but maybe he becomes servicable.

What has Kirby done to be considered anything other than serviceable? Owens is still an unknown and McCord isn't guaranteed to be good at SAM. Is this really better than FSU? T. Smith, Northtup, Thomas, a #1 JUCO OLB, and 4-star Kilby Lane? Maybe, but it takes some blind homerism to conclusively state that now.

At DB, Paul Williams negates talent, and Howard is a bust. Too slow to play press man, and to soft to be a zone corner. He also can't tackle in the flats. elder and Burns could be dominant, but that is only true 2 CBs. jamal Carter would be on the scout team at FSU, LSU, Bama, etc. Typical workout warrior type that can't process information on the field. Bush is elite but has a serious history of injury. Depth and talent is a major concern at DB.

At Wideout, Lewis clearly isn't the same player post injury, Waters clearly isn't what anybody thought he was. Scott has been here 10 years and every year is his "breakout year". Coley isnt guaranteed to be elite. People hyped Him after a 500 yard freshman season full of dropped passes and lazy routes, and he quit like a girl after getting tackled in the opener with Loisuville, his attitude and commitment were questioned as a recruit, it appears those questions were valid. berrios is kind of "meh". Who is gonna stretch the field and open up underneath routes?

OL... if you think that situation is good, then I dont know what to tell you.

A lot of alleged "facts" in this post. So after one year of ball as Tr-Fr the jury is already out on Yearby and Berrios (who is as you call it, meh..) LMAO. Man Im glad none of yall were around in the early 00s when AJohnson had problems catching the ball his first two years here. You guys would have thrown him to the wolves.

You kids are in this "microwave" generation. Want to make 150k per year right out of undergrad or you will just keep skipping from job to job and you want each and every freshmen to play like Adrian Peterson or they are not "as good as advertised".

Im not ready to say that our LB core wont be as good if not better then FSU esp the way Grace is playing. Did you go to the Spring game? I was impressed.

Agree that the DB situation is not at an elite level. But when did we ever need 5 CBs ready to go, esp in this scheme? **** why you think ACrawford LEFT. We don't play 5 DBs. **** we don't play 4! We play 3 at the most in this scheme. And Burns/Elder/Howard are good enough for me. And most think Burns/Elder can be elite.

Def agree with the S problem. Carter just is there yet. Bush will have to cover up a lot of mistakes in this group.

You are nitpicking at WR. Coley had a down sophomore year. Happens to the best of them. He can bounce back. Now if he were a SR? Then I would agree with your sentiment.

You fail to mention the good that came out of Spring. Like how our Dline is playing lights out and how the light might have come on for Wyche. And if it has he could singlehandedly carry this entire defense. We all know what a good DTackle can do for a defense. And how Kaaya is playing lights out. And we know what a good QB is worth in wins for ANY team. Ask FSU now that Jameis is gone now. They got a sneak peak in the Clemson game of what life might be like for them now.

Situation isn't good yet. But I really don't know what you guys were expecting to see here. I think expectations for Spring ball were way too high judging by the reaction on this board. Either that or people just like to complain.

1) One of the themes of the discussion so far is that the O-line is suspect, maybe we shouldn't anoint the Dline just yet.

2) They won the game without winston over a ten win, bowl winning team. What is your point here?

1) I call it like I see it. Give credit where its due. They looked lights out in the spring game and according to DMoney, this is not a "one game wonder" here. The Dline has been good all Spring. But if they had stunk all Spring, Im sure you would have taken the opportunity to rag the **** out of them.

2) Correction, EDDIE GOLDMAN won them that game BARELY. Sean McGuire or whatever the **** his name is was just happy to be there. They wouldn't have won the ND game without Jameis. And they might not have beaten UF either. Like I said, a great QB is worth 2-3 extra wins. If Kaaya is already showing signs of stardom in the SPRING no less...that makes me very happy.

1) So it is spring, coming off a losing season, one of our worst since the 70's, and credit is due? I guess this conversation is going nowhere, because you and I apparently see merit much differently.

2)In other words, FSU had a complete enough team everywhere beside the QB position to win a game against a ten win team without their heisman quarterback, being led by some no name. As far as I am concerned, the "glimpse" they got is that they can win a game against a good team without their best player. You are arguing an un knowable stat in how many games "might" be lost and for what, that we "might" be elevated from a 2-3 win team without kayaa to a 4-5 win team with him?

Jesus christ what am I even doing here.

Lol. Bingo! I have no idea what you are doing here. Just shut it down. Stop following the team until Golden is gone. Make your life easier. Im sure you have better things to do.