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I said from the beginning, the likeliest scenario, even in the pro Kaaya department, was Heaps starts out against UL. Then we bring BK in and start letting him get reps and get his feet wet. Very few coaches are ever going to throw a True Frosh out there on the road, in game 1 to start. Heaps is the safe choice. AG is not a gambler.

I just want to win games. BK will have plenty of time to be the boss Hogg here regardless of what Heaps does. If Heaps can do just enough, and let Kaaya get reps and continue to develop and build his experience, its a win/win for us.
 
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Kaaya is actually the easy way out for Golden. Many of you got upset with the "NCAA Cloud" excuse. He could use the "Freshman Quarterback" excuse if he picks Kaaya. Doesnt have that card with a 5th year senior. He is in to win now.
 
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canes1977 said:
Kaaya is actually the easy way out for Golden. Many of you got upset with the "NCAA Cloud" excuse. He could use the "Freshman Quarterback" excuse if he picks Kaaya. Doesnt have that card with a 5th year senior. He is in to win and nothing more.
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+1, I'm surprised people haven't picked up on it.

If Golden really is only a slick used car salesman, starting Kaaya is the obvious move. It buys him an excuse if he and Dorito's defense stink again. It will also buy him goodwill with the fans, as shown on this forum.

Starting Heaps means there are no such excuses, he has to win now.
 
Biscayne said:
canes1977 said:
Kaaya is actually the easy way out for Golden. Many of you got upset with the "NCAA Cloud" excuse. He could use the "Freshman Quarterback" excuse if he picks Kaaya. Doesnt have that card with a 5th year senior. He is in to win and nothing more.
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+1, I'm surprised people haven't picked up on it.

If Golden really is only a slick used car salesman, starting Kaaya is the obvious move. It buys him an excuse if he and Dorito's defense stink again. It will also buy him goodwill with the fans, as shown on this forum.

Starting Heaps means there are no such excuses, he has to win now.
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It's so dumb there are porsters that would no doubt concoct the idea Golden started Kaaya (if that happens) to cover for his friend, as if he would be satisfied with anything less than an ACC title game appearance.
 
canes1977 said:
Kaaya is actually the easy way out for Golden. Many of you got upset with the "NCAA Cloud" excuse. He could use the "Freshman Quarterback" excuse if he picks Kaaya. Doesnt have that card with a 5th year senior. He is in to win now.
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He has no excuse for the QB.

He picked 3 guys in 2012, zero are playing QB today.

He picked a guy in 2013, he is suspended and possibly not that good.

He has Kaaya, Rosier and Heaps.

Even if EVERYONE was healthy and available, no one is proven. No one is deemed a sure thing.

He has no excuses left. This is year 4, you don't buy an excuse with an injury, you start the next guy and move on.

Golden should start the guy that gives us the best chance to win, that is all.
 
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canecountry3 said:
KevinCaneFace said:
calinative umstudent said:
IMO Heaps experience is actually a negative for me. I mean yeah hes been in a game before, but none of them ended wrll, clearly, or else he wouldnt be on his 3rd team. Having experience is a positive when someone had to play as a freshman and is looking to make the next step. Not when he is a senior whos been on 2 other teams and lost his job at each place because of the way he played (bad). I really dont think Heaps experience is good. RW has good experience, he was forced to start as a freshman, then tranfered to his dream school. Then he got solid game reps as a backup to Morris when he was hurt/we were dominating. That is good experience.
Saying someone whos done it but failed many times has an advantage because at least theyve done it before is a bad argument. Kaaya won this competition and should start the first 2-3 games until RW is back and finishes us off with 10 wins.
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Wait... Who established that he won the competition?
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This and that bolded scenario would be a tremendous waste of a year of Kaaya's eligibility.
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How is it a tremendous waste of a year. If he Redshirts, there is no guarantee that he would even stay his Redshirt Senior year. You have to think about Short term success as well as long term. I mean he gives us the better chance to win in the short term because he is just plain better than Jake Heaps. Also, this is much better than Redshirting him for our long term goals. He get's valuable playing time, which I would view as "Good" experience. It would be a waste of his talent and a year if he was the backup and got some snaps during mop up duty. That would be a waste of a year. Starting the Louisville game, which in my opinion is the 3rd most important game of the year (FSU/VT ahead) is not a waste, especially if he wins. Plus, I'm hoping RW would be back by the week before Nebraska, but if he is not, Kaaya might also have to play that game as well. So If Kaaya played vs UL and Nebraska, and won would you really think that is a waste of a year? That's 2 important games that could change us from a 10 win team to a 8 win team, a huge difference....
 
The one thing I'd wish they'd shut up about is this "point system". Ain't no chart in Coley's or Golden's office with gold stars on it and a bunch of different columns that include things like "punctuality" and "academics". Anyone that doesn't believe this is an all eye-test evaluation is of less intelligence than your average Champagnat "graduate".
 
It's not a waste of a year for Kaaya to play mop up duty in blowout games. That's how freshmen get good experience. He's not going to play four straight years if he's really good anyway
 
KevinCaneFace said:
It's not a waste of a year for Kaaya to play mop up duty in blowout games. That's how freshmen get good experience. He's not going to play four straight years if he's really good anyway
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Playing mop up duty as a freshman is certainly more of a wast than Starting vs Louisville, and even potentially Nebraska. I don't see why ppl want to preserve his redshirt so bad, even if it meant going with the guy that hasn't performed as well to start 1 of the most important games of the season. ****, maybe we play Kaaya and after that sit him rest of season and say he got hurt, lol, idk how those medical redshirts work...
 
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These posters that are making definitive statements about Kaaya being better than Heaps or vice versa are hilarious. The only people who cab objectively make that call about those two in this offense with these players are the players and staff.

The rest are arm chair analyzing YouTube videos and practice reports.
 
calinative umstudent said:
KevinCaneFace said:
It's not a waste of a year for Kaaya to play mop up duty in blowout games. That's how freshmen get good experience. He's not going to play four straight years if he's really good anyway
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Playing mop up duty as a freshman is certainly more of a wast than Starting vs Louisville, and even potentially Nebraska. I don't see why ppl want to preserve his redshirt so bad, even if it meant going with the guy that hasn't performed as well to start 1 of the most important games of the season. ****, maybe we play Kaaya and after that sit him rest of season and say he got hurt, lol, idk how those medical redshirts work...
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Your assuming Heaps didn't play as well. Many media members who have been at practices say it's been neck and neck and even give Heaps a slight edge. The coaches and plays statements have been consistent. Only certain fans are saying Kaaya has been standout better. Personally, I don't want him to redshirt and I'm not sure I want him being thrown in such a rough environment for his first game. I'd like to see him take backup and get experience in late games. The only reason we trusted Williams is because of the experience and play he gave us when Williams came out verses scrubs. I'm big on Kaaya but Heaps is the smarter pick if he has been playing well in camp.
 
Its an interesting debate, but none of us really know what is going on at practice and how these guys are meeting what the coaches want from them. NO ONE can deny that Kaaya has come in here like a Boss, and blown people away with is skill and maturity thus far. But is that enough to hand him the keys to the offense right out of the gate as a true Frosh? Can he take command of the offense? Can he slap Coley or Dorsett on the helmet and tell them they ran the wrong route, or tell Flowers to get his head in the game and cover his @ss? Being a Frosh, other teams are going to develop their gameplans based on doing EVERYTHING possible to blitz the **** out of him and hit him and rattle him. Which will make it that much worse.

Heaps is what he is. But if he's good enough, you probably have to go with him. And that is despite Kaaya looking great. Even if your plan is to be priming Kaaya. You STILL use Heaps as the place holder and warm up act so you can get Kaaya into his groove and experience without forcing him into a bad situation too early.

I never really saw this as Heaps vs Kaaya once it was clear how well Kaaya was playing. It was always Kaaya, its just a question as to how much and for how long we can use Heaps as the warm up act so we can get Kaaya into the groove the way a coach would want to, rather than be forced to.
 
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canecountry3 said:
These posters that are making definitive statements about Kaaya being better than Heaps or vice versa are hilarious. The only people who cab objectively make that call about those two in this offense with these players are the players and staff.

The rest are arm chair analyzing YouTube videos and practice reports.
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The guy on here posting practice reports from the parking garage is also qualified to make the call. Oh, Joe Zagacki too....assuming the engineering department updated his software. I heard the screws in the plate in the back of his head that allows access to the Zagackitron 5000 mainframe were pretty rusted due to the summer humidity.
 
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