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NC_Canes_11 said:
I just have a hard time believing they’ll connect the money and the payments to the schools and coaches
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unless someone snitches. Isnt there a list of recruits that Kirby gives his boosters and tells them do what you can to land them
 
Drewny1 said:
F you talking about, I am bringing up discussions to this board that it seems people enjoy.
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I get it: there’s a LOT of posters just like you … so of course they would find this type of thread interesting. But it reeks of excuse-making. It’s just that “bags”, or “diva” (crybabies word, not mine) SFL recruits, or the SEC, or the media/ESPN were not the reasons Miami lost to Duke, BC, UVA and GT last year. And they’re not the reasons Miami has only won one Coastal title. But, since it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.
 
It is official, nobody is henceforth allowed to talk about things that do not contribute to the acc coastal success of Miami football. Tetragrampon will personally be handing out negs to offenders.
 
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caneinorlando said:
Lol...IRS gives no Fs about SEC Bagmen...believe that....They comin to get theirs...And these Churches (don't pay taxes to begin with) and their So-called slush funds....IRS has something for them...Keep thinking the IRS ain't eventually coming....
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This. I'm getting more skeptical the more I think about it. How would OP get this kind of information? Who would leak it?
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Who are the wrong people and who are the right people to get hurt in this? To my mind, anyone that has been taking illicit payments, not reporting the income, cheating the system, and talking about "I will always bleed Orange and Green, but I gotta take care of my family" is a problem. Even more so, anyone steering a kid to make decisions about their future based on what is best at the moment for some adult and not the best long-term interests of the individual student-athlete deserves to pay a price.

Institutionalized cheating and corruption does not have innocent participants, no matter the socioeconomic background they may come from. Obviously, it's easy to understand the temptation and the difficulty these kids come from, but the families and others around them need to stop being excused for considering their son or nephew or cousin or player as a winning lottery ticket.

What I hope for, is that South Florida's elite HS athletes will stop making the most important decisions of their lives based on a quick up front payment that really doesn't benefit them, rather than choosing a school for how it will develop and market their talents and for how it will prepare them for adulthood. Cleaning up the sleazy bag game and system of corrupt HS coaches and runners in SoFla, or even just exposing it to the light of day, can only help.

Even if that means that a few poor moms and dads who sold their child's future for a bag of cash have to pay a price.

I'm sorry, but I'm not crying for Benedict Arnold.
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I’m not a tax attorney, so I could be wrong, but I understand there to be a difference between simply failure to pay tax and tax fraud or evasion. One involves intent to defraud, and is criminal. the other is being unaware that a tax was due, and is not criminal.

The point being that it may not be as easy to convict an impoverished person of a tax crime, because the “ignorance” defense might be plausible here.

I don’t know that the government would be getting their moneys worth. Convincing a jury that someone who never had a taxable income willfully defrauded the gov, might be an uphill battle.

Seems like it makes much more sense for the gov to get their pound of flesh from people who actually have a pound of flesh. The parents would probably make better witnesses than defendents. And be more valuable.
 
Drewny1 said:
unless someone snitches. Isnt there a list of recruits that Kirby gives his boosters and tells them do what you can to land them
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No.
There’s been a few of those “interview w the bagman” articles over the years, and it was made clear that anybody working for the school is kept at arms length from anyone involved w bags.

Really makes no sense take a risk like that.
 
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MotoSniper said:
Stay safe out there, brother! I worked close with DEA when I was out there with my Spec Ops unit. We also partnered with 3rd/7th Special Forces Group as they were our HQ for the CJSOTF (I was with MARSOC). Best of luck hunting those Nexus targets.

Are you part of the Fed? or contracting?
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Wow MARSOC, nice. respect brother. I am a augmentee out of Hurlburt Fld (AFSOC) I got jet tasked with the 7th special forces group.
 
I believe @Drewny1 and I hope this comes to light. Personally I don’t care if the Universities go on probation or not I’d rather have the bagmen and boosters, specifically in South Florida, who funnel this ridiculous amount of money to kids to stop. If IRS nails the individuals who do this in SFLa for Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, and Georgia I have a feeling a lot more kids will stay home.

You’ll start hearing Ohio State is to cold, Alabama is to crappy etc.
 
1mg of Epi said:
I’m not a tax attorney, so I could be wrong, but I understand there to be a difference between simply failure to pay tax and tax fraud or evasion. One involves intent to defraud, and is criminal. the other is being unaware that a tax was due, and is not criminal.

The point being that it may not be as easy to convict an impoverished person of a tax crime, because the “ignorance” defense might be plausible here.

I don’t know that the government would be getting their moneys worth. Convincing a jury that someone who never had a taxable income willfully defrauded the gov, might be an uphill battle.

Seems like it makes much more sense for the gov to get their pound of flesh from people who actually have a pound of flesh. The parents would probably make better witnesses than defendents. And be more valuable.
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Excellent Post...
 
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1mg of Epi said:
I’m not a tax attorney, so I could be wrong, but I understand there to be a difference between simply failure to pay tax and tax fraud or evasion. One involves intent to defraud, and is criminal. the other is being unaware that a tax was due, and is not criminal.

The point being that it may not be as easy to convict an impoverished person of a tax crime, because the “ignorance” defense might be plausible here.

I don’t know that the government would be getting their moneys worth. Convincing a jury that someone who never had a taxable income willfully defrauded the gov, might be an uphill battle.

Seems like it makes much more sense for the gov to get their pound of flesh from people who actually have a pound of flesh. The parents would probably make better witnesses than defendents. And be more valuable.
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Ignorance is RARELY ever a viable defense. Especially here. Everyone knows pocketing 50k and not claiming it is NOT legal.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
I can never understand threads like these or the UF/FSU-centric (tears), etc.

What does this (thread) or those other threads have to do with Miami ONLY winning the Coastal once since joining the ACC? Yet these type of threads garner thousands and thousands of posts. It’s just a whiners convention.

Anyway, excuse-makers united, carry on.
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What a ridiculous comment. It has to do with a system that is completely overtaken with corruption. A system I certainly would be happy to watch fall apart and re-established the way it was supposed to be.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
I get it: there’s a LOT of posters just like you … so of course they would find this type of thread interesting. But it reeks of excuse-making. It’s just that “bags”, or “diva” (crybabies word, not mine) SFL recruits, or the SEC, or the media/ESPN were not the reasons Miami lost to Duke, BC, UVA and GT last year. And they’re not the reasons Miami has only won one Coastal title. But, since it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.
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This isn't just about Miami. Whether Miami won the NC or lost every game, I'd still want to see this happen.
 
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1mg of Epi said:
I’m not a tax attorney, so I could be wrong, but I understand there to be a difference between simply failure to pay tax and tax fraud or evasion. One involves intent to defraud, and is criminal. the other is being unaware that a tax was due, and is not criminal.

The point being that it may not be as easy to convict an impoverished person of a tax crime, because the “ignorance” defense might be plausible here.

I don’t know that the government would be getting their moneys worth. Convincing a jury that someone who never had a taxable income willfully defrauded the gov, might be an uphill battle.

Seems like it makes much more sense for the gov to get their pound of flesh from people who actually have a pound of flesh. The parents would probably make better witnesses than defendents. And be more valuable.
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They would probably just get hit with the back taxes and a penalty. Then its up to the ncaa to do something once everything would be made public.
 
mirvin88 said:
Ignorance is RARELY ever a viable defense. Especially here. Everyone knows pocketing 50k and not claiming it is NOT legal.
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For you and me. But for someone whose never had a taxable income it doesn’t sound too far fetched.

Are u an attorney?
 
1mg of Epi said:
I’m not a tax attorney, so I could be wrong, but I understand there to be a difference between simply failure to pay tax and tax fraud or evasion. One involves intent to defraud, and is criminal. the other is being unaware that a tax was due, and is not criminal.

The point being that it may not be as easy to convict an impoverished person of a tax crime, because the “ignorance” defense might be plausible here.

I don’t know that the government would be getting their moneys worth. Convincing a jury that someone who never had a taxable income willfully defrauded the gov, might be an uphill battle.

Seems like it makes much more sense for the gov to get their pound of flesh from people who actually have a pound of flesh. The parents would probably make better witnesses than defendents. And be more valuable.
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It’s kind of like the insanity defense. If the subject has participated and have actions that show they try to conceal or hide the payment it proves intent. I am sure the bagmen and boosters have given specific instructions on what can and can not be done.
 
Someone mentioned this earlier and the point was missed.
If this is happening, why is it being talked about here?
Are the Feds leaking this intentionally?
 
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