Fall Practice Summary- Day 7

[hoops156]

Fwiw Ivins said he thinks tate wins it and dmoney(obviously has connections) said he thinks he has momentum in separate podcasts as well and both reiterated the media is only seeing a portion of practice not the full thing

i heard what he said -- you gotta put a whole lot of context in there with both. ivins wasnt really based on what theyre seeing (in terms which has performed the best), just their hunches. D i take with a grain of salt bc of his homer tendencies, but he was like tate was so awful in spring that he improved to now, but if you go back to 5 rings, all agreed in that tate was the worst passer of the three (obviously that isnt the whole thing that will decide the race). all in all, i dont think AI, D money, Rob Lowe, or anyone know who's gonna win the race bc i highly doubt D has any connections that will spill the beans now that the staff changed out (if a decision was made which i dont think and neither do the 5 rings guys in terms of decision). ****, this site got the OC hire terribly wrong and manny dumped the dude who may have been the only leak since pete left

 

[RHCanes]

It looks to me like everyone is being asked to do everything. I take notes of areas where people struggle and I write my recap based on my notes.

I would like for fans and reporters to evacuate the QBs based on running Enos offensive scheme...not Richt. Perry and Martell played in two different offensive schemes and competition. Williams is learning too! My expectations of our quarterbacks and offense is medium to low, until otherwise demonstrated in real competition.
Perry and Martell played in shotgun formation in high school and Williams played in multiple set: pro-shotgun. Therefore, their comfort and natural instincts will be slow and impacts abilities.
Martell has gone through an amazing facelift over the past 2-3 years; whereby, he is being asked to be a different quarterback. For example, teaching Michael Vick to play like Tom Brady! If he’s your quarterback why change his strengths?
Perry was coach to run a spread offensive scheme from the shotgun. In high school, most defensive players can’t defend the spread system. Perry never had to learn how to read defensive formations. He redshirted behind Rosier and Sherriff...in Richt system.
Williams redshirted behind Rosier and Perry...in Richt system. However, he has been coached for Enos system...but lacks experience to college speed and defensive schemes.
Basically, this quarterback group needs more than 6-8 months to receive appropriate evaluation of their respective talent. Please reporters and fans lower expectations due to the transition of offensive scheme.
We will have a great season, but not due to the skills of our quarterback. Coaching staff must take advantage of weak schedule and the talent level of our team versus opponents.
Canes 11-1! Book it!

 

[canecat]

I would like for fans and reporters to evacuate the QBs based on running Enos offensive scheme...not Richt. Perry and Martell played in two different offensive schemes and competition. Williams is learning too! My expectations of our quarterbacks and offense is medium to low, until otherwise demonstrated in real competition.
Perry and Martell played in shotgun formation in high school and Williams played in multiple set: pro-shotgun. Therefore, their comfort and natural instincts will be slow and impacts abilities.
Martell has gone through an amazing facelift over the past 2-3 years; whereby, he is being asked to be a different quarterback. For example, teaching Michael Vick to play like Tom Brady! If he’s your quarterback why change his strengths?
Perry was coach to run a spread offensive scheme from the shotgun. In high school, most defensive players can’t defend the spread system. Perry never had to learn how to read defensive formations. He redshirted behind Rosier and Sherriff...in Richt system.
Williams redshirted behind Rosier and Perry...in Richt system. However, he has been coached for Enos system...but lacks experience to college speed and defensive schemes.
Basically, this quarterback group needs more than 6-8 months to receive appropriate evaluation of their respective talent. Please reporters and fans lower expectations due to the transition of offensive scheme.
We will have a great season, but not due to the skills of our quarterback. Coaching staff must take advantage of weak schedule and the talent level of our team versus opponents.
Canes 11-1! Book it!

Exactly IMO we can win 11 games or so but it will be beating teams 24-9 not 61-35 . We will have some big plays with the talent at RB and WR but all of our QBs ( though all won't be around this time next year) are a year away from being really good.

 

[rchy1979]

QB play:

It was a pretty standard day for the quarterbacks. Jarren Williams still throws the most accurate ball, and N’Kosi Perry and Tate Martell still have some accuracy issues. Martell specifically struggled on the intermediate outbreaking routes, although he did have some nice throws. One area of improvement for Martell is his short-throw accuracy, specifically the shallow crossing routes. Martell is now hitting the receivers in stride and allowing them to run through the catch, something he was not doing consistently at the beginning of the week. The biggest issue I have seen with Perry is his deep ball accuracy is not perfect. Often when throwing deep down the sideline, Perry’s passes will sail out of bounds. Perry did connect on some deep sideline passes on Friday night, but he also had some get away from him.

Other Notes:

Louis Hedley continues to be a full participant in practice. He even participated in some tackling drills with the linebackers and strikers.

Lorenzo Lingard is still wearing a brace on his leg, but there does not appear to be many limitations on what he can do. Lingard even lined up as a receiver in some 7v7 sets.

Avery Huff was a participant in practice but was not in full pads. The official roster lists him at 200 pounds, but he looks impressive physically.

Nigel Bethel and Al Blades both hit 20 MPH.

1v1:

Kj Osborn beat Trajan Bandy.

Dee Wiggins beat DJ Ivey.

Marshall Few beat Amari Carter.

Jeremiah Payton beat Christian Williams.

Mike Harley beat Gurvan Hall.

Brian Hightower beat Te’Cory Couch.

Robert Knowles beat Marshall Few.

Mark Pope beat Al Blades.

My take (I wasnt there) from outside looking in, it seems since camp has started

Jarren always looks to have to better ball on 1 on1s (best pure passer) that's not Tate on Perry strength

Tate always looks good on team drills (11 on11). That's when he is able to use his strength which is scrambling when plays break down and use his legs to make plays rather on the run or use eluding defenders

Perry seems to always be in the middle, rather 1on1 or 11 on 11. He will always have his misses and times connect.
I believe Enos goes live doing scrimmage to see who has it or not

 

[Shogungts]

Lol yeah y’all want the QB’s to be live during scrimmages until someone gets rolled up on and then y’all crying all camp about how the season is over..

I'd be with you under normal circumstances, but if this truly is a 3 horse race, I think the risk of an injury is worth it to tell what each player has. Hopefully no one gets injured, but if they are so close that you can't really tell who is the best then even if someone went down you should have 2 other QBs in about the same capacity.

Again, this is all based on the coaches believing the 3 QBs are all about equal.

 

[Swampcity]

These scrimmages are going to be important and quite honestly need to be live so we will know who won’t flinch in real game situations

Pre-season is full of injuries, so am I to understand you want the QB's to be lit up as well?

 

[Swampcity]

I'd be with you under normal circumstances, but if this truly is a 3 horse race, I think the risk of an injury is worth it to tell what each player has. Hopefully no one gets injured, but if they are so close that you can't really tell who is the best then even if someone went down you should have 2 other QBs in about the same capacity.

Again, this is all based on the coaches believing the 3 QBs are all about equal.

This really is sound logic: Let's knock-out one our QB's and go with whose left standing.

 

[grover]

At this point brother, Ford has no other choice but to step up!! Has too.

Unfortunately, that's not a given. If you lived through the early Golden/Dorito years, you'll know that we had kids like Earl Moore and Corey King starting at DT. Ford is nowhere near that bad, more along the lines of an Olson Pierre or Ufomba Kamalu at this point. Is serviceable, but no OC is afraid of him. I want to see him be that guy that Kuligowski said was the best DT recruit in the country when he signed him.

 

[Shogungts]

This really is sound logic: Let's knock-out one our QB's and go with whose left standing.

Yeah except that is not what I said. I said that if you truly believe your QBs are equal and can't decide which is best, then it is worth the risk that one might get injured.

 

[Swampcity]

Yeah except that is not what I said. I said that if you truly believe your QBs are equal and can't decide which is best, then it is worth the risk that one might get injured.

So I guess you're part of the group that think the coaches don't know what they're doing? So let's beat the s### out of the QB's, that will settle it.

 

[gcane44]

I wish people could really comprehend how limited the media viewing portion of practice is in the context of what goes on over a full practice. Over analyzing this QB competition based on the snippets for media viewing is beyond pointless. It could amount to it simply taking one QB longer to warmup and getting into a rhythm than the others. But, essentially all the media gets to see is the warmups.

 

[gcane44]

Ford is nowhere near that bad, more along the lines of an Olson Pierre or Ufomba Kamalu at this point.

How do you know? What are you basing this assessment on?

 

[Shogungts]

So I guess you're part of the group that think the coaches don't know what they're doing? So let's beat the s### out of the QB's, that will settle it.

C'mon man - that's not what I am saying. If the coaches are having a hard time making a decision and/or they are concerned that they won't really know who performs best under pressure and they think that all 3 are on about equal footing, then I think the risk to reward ratio makes sense to see who performs best under pressure.

If one of them was clearly ahead, then no, I definitely wouldn't do it. If 2 were clearly ahead I would be lot less likely to consider it as well, but if the coaches really think that all 3 are equal then I would consider it.

 

[Hurricajun]

Comparing Tate to Malik is not necessarily a bad thing. He put up 31 tds in the Richt scheme and I guarantee he could’ve and would’ve posted better in a real offense like we will be seeing this year. His weakness seemed like the deep ball and that was 60% of our old offense.

 

[Brooklyndee]

We didn’t see any O-line or D-line. Safety’s haven’t been dominant in coverage. Corners have been beat, but the sophomores, specifically Blades, look impressive to me. Blades looks faster and the numbers reflect that.

This is why I told yall I think the offense is gonna have to carry us early season till defense gels. Especially because the safeties gotta play some together. As basic as sheldrick was you cant overstate the significance of a unit playing besides each other for such a long time. That cohesion is critical.

 

[LegenDario]

this. if were just going by these reports, its clear that Jarren is the best of the bunch. well see how they look in the scrimmages. last year we all clamored for an accurate QB and jarren might be it if he can do it in the scrimmages.

The best passer of the bunch. That doesn’t always translate to the best QB.

 

[hoops156]

The best passer of the bunch. That doesn’t always translate to the best QB.

do you guys choose to ignore where i say if he can do it in the scrimmages...read everything not selective portions

 

[jw410]

QB play:

It was a pretty standard day for the quarterbacks. Jarren Williams still throws the most accurate ball, and N’Kosi Perry and Tate Martell still have some accuracy issues. Martell specifically struggled on the intermediate outbreaking routes, although he did have some nice throws. One area of improvement for Martell is his short-throw accuracy, specifically the shallow crossing routes. Martell is now hitting the receivers in stride and allowing them to run through the catch, something he was not doing consistently at the beginning of the week. The biggest issue I have seen with Perry is his deep ball accuracy is not perfect. Often when throwing deep down the sideline, Perry’s passes will sail out of bounds. Perry did connect on some deep sideline passes on Friday night, but he also had some get away from him.

Other Notes:

Louis Hedley continues to be a full participant in practice. He even participated in some tackling drills with the linebackers and strikers.

Lorenzo Lingard is still wearing a brace on his leg, but there does not appear to be many limitations on what he can do. Lingard even lined up as a receiver in some 7v7 sets.

Avery Huff was a participant in practice but was not in full pads. The official roster lists him at 200 pounds, but he looks impressive physically.

Nigel Bethel and Al Blades both hit 20 MPH.

1v1:

Kj Osborn beat Trajan Bandy.

Dee Wiggins beat DJ Ivey.

Marshall Few beat Amari Carter.

Jeremiah Payton beat Christian Williams.

Mike Harley beat Gurvan Hall.

Brian Hightower beat Te’Cory Couch.

Robert Knowles beat Marshall Few.

Mark Pope beat Al Blades.

I see you Pope! Shut me up dawg

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I wish people could really comprehend how limited the media viewing portion of practice is in the context of what goes on over a full practice. Over analyzing this QB competition based on the snippets for media viewing is beyond pointless. It could amount to it simply taking one QB longer to warmup and getting into a rhythm than the others. But, essentially all the media gets to see is the warmups.

That’s what 99.9% of the idiots that are making quarterback predictions based on these literally seconds of warm-ups don’t realize

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

This is why I told yall I think the offense is gonna have to carry us early season till defense gels. Especially because the safeties gotta play some together. As basic as sheldrick was you cant overstate the significance of a unit playing besides each other for such a long time. That cohesion is critical.

People don’t get that here. Especially the safeties communicating....one slight miscommunication between the two safeties, and it’s six points.