Evolution of the Miami Hurricane Fanbase (Offensive Philosop

[The Dude]

Well, the thread title cut me off, but this thread is intended to by called "Evolution of the Miami Hurricane Fanbase, In regards to Offensive Philosophy"

There will be no Defensive version, at least not by me, as we all know what it will quickly deteriorate into.

Having said that, when I think back to my first memories of the Hurricane offense, I remember lining up in the I-Formation, two wide outs and a single TE. It was pure beauty to see the offensive line open running lanes for our RB's to smash into. And using the PA to open up a seam down the middle of the field for the TE, and the occasional long ball.

As offenses around the country starting going to the 'Spread-Option' I remember thinking to myself, the day I see UM line up in the Spread, is the day I hand up my mythical 'fanatic' cleats.

Then 10+ years of the product we have put on the field has made me rethink my line-in-the-sand.

What say you all? Have any of you gone through the same evolution on offensive philosophy's which I did?

The more I look at this team, I think we are better suited a spread concept, as our base offense. We have the players on the outside, and we have a RB who is suited to run in open space.

The two best offenses in the NFL are spread concept teams (New England & Denver), and the word spread is no longer a dirty word in NFL circles.

What would you all like to see throughout the season?

 

[DiegoCane]

We ran more then 50% of our stuff out of spread concepts last year.

Its Coley's background.

 

[ghost2]

It all depends on what you mean by "spread." There are so many variations of the spread offense - if you mean Read Option, then no, I don't think that's where we are - at least not with our current stable of QBs. If you mean a base 3-4 WR look, single back, with lots of misdirection/jet sweeps/screens - that's right up our alley I think.

I would also look for some multiple TE packages similar to what the Pats try to do in their offense.

 

[frostycane]

What made us different and made us pick on the likes of Notre Dame is what is killing us. We picked on Notre Dame with the this isn't old school football but yet most just want us to run the same schemes of 10-15-20 yrs ago. The game is ever evolving and we stopped. We insist on pro set, 4-3 defense. I think with the athletes in SoFla that we should have been running the spread years ago, like the Oregon spread too. There are so many amazing qbs in sofla that would tear it up in an offense like that. As well with the skill positions too. Defensively, I think we should be running more of a 3-3-5 taking advantage of the athletes of SoFla. Of course this is just my opinion and what the heck do I know...lol

 

[DaU83]

I just don't want read option, QB running all the time offense.. That's not the brand of football I want to see here.. Other than that, I don't care what they do. Put up points. That's it.

 

[252cane]

I think they ran all that stuff out of the pistol or shotgun because of morris injury and not being able to drop back.

 

[The Dude]

I just don't want read option, QB running all the time offense.. That's not the brand of football I want to see here.. Other than that, I don't care what they do. Put up points. That's it.

I don't want a QB read option either, but I wouldn't mind our QB linking up in the Gun for 90% of the snaps and just slingin' it around the field with the occasional (20 snaps) hand-off to Duke/Yearby/Gus.

 

[ghost2]

I'm not sure 252 - I've read that Coley does like the versatility of the Pistol formation, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it more often, even with Olsen/Kaaya.

 

[Angry Ibis]

I am not tied to a specific offense, but I do love to see one run over people when they can. I hate when a nice drive it going and a team goes away from what works for the home run and then ends up punting. Always a time and place for the money shot, but knowing that time and place is the key.

 

[The Dude]

I am not tied to a specific offense, but I do love to see one run over people when they can. I hate when a nice drive it going and a team goes away from what works for the home run and then ends up punting. Always a time and place for the money shot, but knowing that time and place is the key.

Ain't that the truth.


As much as I am in the "Just Win at All Costs" mindset in terms of the offense, it still brings me nostalgia seeing a team like Bama being able to run it on 3rd and 3 and know that 98% of the time, they are going to pick up the first down. That used to be the Canes, and that is why I struggled for so long to fight change.

Now, if they throw a go-route on 4th and inches, I don't care, as long as they pick up the first down.

 

[Angry Ibis]

I am not tied to a specific offense, but I do love to see one run over people when they can. I hate when a nice drive it going and a team goes away from what works for the home run and then ends up punting. Always a time and place for the money shot, but knowing that time and place is the key.

Ain't that the truth.


As much as I am in the "Just Win at All Costs" mindset in terms of the offense, it still brings me nostalgia seeing a team like Bama being able to run it on 3rd and 3 and know that 98% of the time, they are going to pick up the first down. That used to be the Canes, and that is why I struggled for so long to fight change.

Now, if they throw a go-route on 4th and inches, I don't care, as long as they pick up the first down.

I'm with you. I think my comment applies in reverse as well -- if we are passing all over a team, don't just run for the sake of running, make them stop what you are doing first. Sneak in a few run plays as part of the dominance, or to run the clock out at key spots, but stay with what is working.

 

[ghost2]

I am not tied to a specific offense, but I do love to see one run over people when they can. I hate when a nice drive it going and a team goes away from what works for the home run and then ends up punting. Always a time and place for the money shot, but knowing that time and place is the key.

Ain't that the truth.


As much as I am in the "Just Win at All Costs" mindset in terms of the offense, it still brings me nostalgia seeing a team like Bama being able to run it on 3rd and 3 and know that 98% of the time, they are going to pick up the first down. That used to be the Canes, and that is why I struggled for so long to fight change.

Now, if they throw a go-route on 4th and inches, I don't care, as long as they pick up the first down.

I'm with you. I think my comment applies in reverse as well -- if we are passing all over a team, don't just run for the sake of running, make them stop what you are doing first. Sneak in a few run plays as part of the dominance, or to run the clock out at key spots, but stay with what is working.

THIS. How many times have we seen an OC get "cute" when something is working? Makes me want to choke puppies.

 

[The Dude]

I am not tied to a specific offense, but I do love to see one run over people when they can. I hate when a nice drive it going and a team goes away from what works for the home run and then ends up punting. Always a time and place for the money shot, but knowing that time and place is the key.

Ain't that the truth.


As much as I am in the "Just Win at All Costs" mindset in terms of the offense, it still brings me nostalgia seeing a team like Bama being able to run it on 3rd and 3 and know that 98% of the time, they are going to pick up the first down. That used to be the Canes, and that is why I struggled for so long to fight change.

Now, if they throw a go-route on 4th and inches, I don't care, as long as they pick up the first down.

I'm with you. I think my comment applies in reverse as well -- if we are passing all over a team, don't just run for the sake of running, make them stop what you are doing first. Sneak in a few run plays as part of the dominance, or to run the clock out at key spots, but stay with what is working.

THIS. How many times have we seen an OC get "cute" when something is working? Makes me want to choke puppies.

#savethepuppies

 

[Fountain of Canes]

Golden said in his Interview last week that we are a run first team and thats how we are built. i see no change from a pro style offense and quite frankly i hope it never does.

 

[ghost2]

Technically, Oregon is a "run-first" team - it all depends on how creative you want to get...

 

[frostycane]

I dont mean, just pass or just run, I mean be a laeder not a follower, dont do what you did ten yrs ago just because it worked then. Or Paul Johnson would be loved by everyone.... I think what made us great was our intangibles, our use of dominant athletes. Get them in space and let them be great. We did it with our LBs and our Wr's back in the day and its what separated us. Kids all over the country are catching up to us, and we are letting too much elite speed get out, but we need to be inventive. I used to be in love with the run and shoot and now I think the spread is the way to go. You can pass out of it, you can power sweep teams, or you can option it. Let alone the simple fact that most all of the elite sofla teams run spread. Just to have to learn the pro set here. All the while teams like FSU and UF are running spread and kids are going there.... Maybe I am over analyzing. I just think we have allowed ourselves to fall in love with our past so much that it has inhibited our ability to adapt to the ever changing world of CFB...... We changed CFB once but now we are the ones not changing and its passing us by......

We need to stop insisting on recreating 2001 and realize that was the greatest group of talent on one college team EVER and it more than likely will never happen again in CFB.

 

[WestEndZone]

"Spread" is such a vague and overused term these days. In our context I like to use it to describe our one back concepts. We're a one back team, we're a two back team -- but we can do it with two tight ends. I like it.

You can tell that we're trying to load our roster with versatile tight ends. Playing with versatile tight ends allow us to disguise our intentions. Normally, in a pro style offense, you try to platoon various personnel groupings that are each specialized for different parts of your game plan. Versatile tight ends allow you to be a one back team, a two back team, and a "spread" team all in the same personnel group.

An H-TE can serve as a FB, which allows the offense to run power/counter [double-down, kick, lead] and isolation [on] concepts. An H-TE can also serve as a wing or another TE, which allows him to reach on the perimeter [O-zone] or kick out the backside end [I-zone]. And of course they can play in the slot.

Ever noticed the defensive staff holding up cards with two numbers on them? (21,12,20,etc.). Pre-snap, the defense gets an opportunity to see the offense's personnel grouping, and they're able to get themselves into a favorable play/personnel (an offense's playbook is limited to personnel groupings). Flexible TE's ***** everything up

It allows an offense to have nearly unlimited formation and scheme possibilities. It's very hard to game plan for, and it forces the defense to install a ton of checks. If you're going to play base, then you almost need your players to call their own game. You need to give them front and coverage call rules, and they make their own calls based on what they see after the huddle is broken (theoretical huddle). You really need to be able to trust your F$ and MLB.

That's all fine and dandy, but I just want us to be a running team first. I want us to be able to pick up a first down on a 3rd and 3, like it was mentioned earlier. The worst death is a death on the ground. You physically feel a loss like that for two weeks. In the 90's and early 2000's we ran everything. We were a two back team, that was able to run one back concepts like outsize and inside zone. A while back I went one of the old school coach's clinics at the U and I remember asking Don Soldinger if we were a team that ran only a few plays well or if we were a team that ran everything OK. He look at me with a grin and said, "we run everything, and we run it well."

 

[Angry Ibis]

"Spread" is such a vague and overused term these days. In our context I like to use it to describe our one back concepts. We're a one back team, we're a two back team -- but we can do it with two tight ends. I like it.

You can tell that we're trying to load our roster with versatile tight ends. Playing with versatile tight ends allow us to disguise our intentions. Normally, in a pro style offense, you try to platoon various personnel groupings that are each specialized for different parts of your game plan. Versatile tight ends allow you to be a one back team, a two back team, and a "spread" team all in the same personnel group.

An H-TE can serve as a FB, which allows the offense to run power/counter [double-down, kick, lead] and isolation [on] concepts. An H-TE can also serve as a wing or another TE, which allows him to reach on the perimeter [O-zone] or kick out the backside end [I-zone]. And of course they can play in the slot.

Ever noticed the defensive staff holding up cards with two numbers on them? (21,12,20,etc.). Pre-snap, the defense gets an opportunity to see the offense's personnel grouping, and they're able to get themselves into a favorable play/personnel (an offense's playbook is limited to personnel groupings). Flexible TE's ***** everything up

It allows an offense to have nearly unlimited formation and scheme possibilities. It's very hard to game plan for, and it forces the defense to install a ton of checks. If you're going to play base, then you almost need your players to call their own game. You need to give them front and coverage call rules, and they make their own calls based on what they see after the huddle is broken (theoretical huddle). You really need to be able to trust your F$ and MLB.

That's all fine and dandy, but I just want us to be a running team first. I want us to be able to pick up a first down on a 3rd and 3, like it was mentioned earlier. The worst death is a death on the ground. You physically feel a loss like that for two weeks. In the 90's and early 2000's we ran everything. We were a two back team, that was able to run one back concepts like outsize and inside zone. A while back I went one of the old school coach's clinics at the U and I remember asking Don Soldinger if we were a team that ran only a few plays well or if we were a team that ran everything OK. He look at me with a grin and said, "we run everything, and we run it well."

This guy vs. Wildcat in NCAA 2014.

Who is in?

- I got WestEndZone by 3 1/2 (the extra 1/2 for Wildcat being unpleasant )

 

[4Canes]

I can't take seeing Miami get stuffed on 3rd & 1 any longer. It's happened multiple times over the last few seasons.

 

[Angry Ibis]

I can't take seeing Miami get stuffed on 3rd & 1 any longer. It's happened multiple times over the last few seasons.

It is a disheartening feeling.

The line must do it's job, but I just can't help but put some of the blame on the lack of mobility of the last two starting quarterbacks, which I believe was hampered by their decision making ability as much as their speed.