Donna, a financial commitment to academics and athletics

[MGreen26]

a college taking priority in education over sports? what is this world coming to...

It doesnt have to be one or the other.

UF was KILLING it in football and basketball while ranked academically right where we are now.


Texas, USC, OSU, UF, UNC, all won championships as equal to or better academic institutions than we are right now.

Bingo. And in terms of competing and doing well, look at Vandy, Michigan, Standford, USC, UCLA and Notre Dame. Private and public schools alike.

 

[CaneFan79]

a college taking priority in education over sports? what is this world coming to...

It doesnt have to be one or the other.

UF was KILLING it in football and basketball while ranked academically right where we are now.

Texas, USC, OSU, UF, UNC, all won championships as equal to or better academic institutions than we are right now.

OSUck has NEVER cracked the Top 50 of the benchmark US News Best Colleges rankings.

 

[kmwcane]

Donna….. Coker (she was here for the hire) Shannon, Orange Bowl….. 2000/2001 Donna land's at Miami. :/

She is a problem. Nothing will get better until she goes. Look at what an on campus facility has done for basketball. Imagine an on campus or near campus football stadium. No recruits would leave and Miami would be unstoppable.

The basketball team is good because of excellent coaching, not a stadium. Coach L is an amazing coach. I wonder what would happen if the football team had an excellent head coach...

 

[3FW]

Donna….. Coker (she was here for the hire) Shannon, Orange Bowl….. 2000/2001 Donna land's at Miami. :/

She is a problem. Nothing will get better until she goes. Look at what an on campus facility has done for basketball. Imagine an on campus or near campus football stadium. No recruits would leave and Miami would be unstoppable.

Did she have a hand in getting the Bank United Center erected? (Honest question, I have no clue)

It opened on her watch, but the planning and ground breaking were under Foote.

 

[jed2410]

You do realize title IX requires spending equal amounts on men's and women's sports. You can't just "pump money into the football program
." Not saying title IX is the problem. Just throwing that out there.

 

[moshated305]

You do realize title IX requires spending equal amounts on men's and women's sports. You can't just "pump money into the football program
." Not saying title IX is the problem. Just throwing that out there.

Does this stop everyone else? Sounds like a pitiful excuse to me.

 

[moshated305]

Donna….. Coker (she was here for the hire) Shannon, Orange Bowl….. 2000/2001 Donna land's at Miami. :/

She is a problem. Nothing will get better until she goes. Look at what an on campus facility has done for basketball. Imagine an on campus or near campus football stadium. No recruits would leave and Miami would be unstoppable.

The basketball team is good because of excellent coaching, not a stadium. Coach L is an amazing coach. I wonder what would happen if the football team had an excellent head coach...

And without The BUC, Coach L probably doesn't even give Miami the time of day which is also he main reason Miami has a negative perception when it comes to big name coaches coming here. With a stadium to call our own, Miami is a top 5 job in the country.

 

[Angry Ibis]

a college taking priority in education over sports? what is this world coming to...

It doesnt have to be one or the other.

UF was KILLING it in football and basketball while ranked academically right where we are now.


Texas, USC, OSU, UF, UNC, all won championships as equal to or better academic institutions than we are right now.

Bingo. And in terms of competing and doing well, look at Vandy, Michigan, Standford, USC, UCLA and Notre Dame. Private and public schools alike.

Vandy is successful in athletics?
- they were 9-4 this year
- has been around as a school for 50 more years than Miami and has an endowment of $3.8 billion

Stanford's endowment is over $18 billion
Notre Dame's over $8 billion
USC's $3.5 billion
Miami's less than $800 Million

USC, Stanford and Notre Dame are private and succeed in both, but how do the alumni/booster bases compare? Despite ND printing their own money, they have not been elite in 20 years but for last year's one and done run.

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[dookie blaylock]

if you think that general university funds are allowed to be used for athletics, then you don't know **** about how collegiate athletic spending works. athletics is its own corporation (hurricane sports properties, llc) and spends money that it raises on its own. it's illegal to use university general funds towards the athletic program and the school would lose federal and state funding if they were to do so. that's how it works for everybody. funds/donations have to be specifically earmarked for athletic spending, otherwise they are required to be spent on general university projects. students pay a small athletic fee and the rest of the money is made through donations and revenue from 4 sports: football, men's basketball, women's basketball, and baseball. those 4 revenue-generating sports have to pay for 12 other sports and the school also has to work within title ix, which is a whole other issue in itself. other schools that have their own stadiums can easily make revenue because they get 100% of the proceeds from tickets, parking, and concessions. we get the ticket revenue, but we also have to pay a lease and only get percentages of the concessions and parking.

 

[77cane]

If we had a billion dollars to build a stadium on campus it would never happen, because the city of Coral Gables would not allow it.

 

[MGreen26]

if you think that general university funds are allowed to be used for athletics, then you don't know **** about how collegiate athletic spending works. athletics is its own corporation (hurricane sports properties, llc) and spends money that it raises on its own. it's illegal to use university general funds towards the athletic program and the school would lose federal and state funding if they were to do so. that's how it works for everybody. funds/donations have to be specifically earmarked for athletic spending, otherwise they are required to be spent on general university projects. students pay a small athletic fee and the rest of the money is made through donations and revenue from 4 sports: football, men's basketball, women's basketball, and baseball. those 4 revenue-generating sports have to pay for 12 other sports and the school also has to work within title ix, which is a whole other issue in itself. other schools that have their own stadiums can easily make revenue because they get 100% of the proceeds from tickets, parking, and concessions. we get the ticket revenue, but we also have to pay a lease and only get percentages of the concessions and parking.

We have a winner. Why not announce a campaign to expressly raise money for a stadium to solve this problem?

 

[407cane]

is not mutually exclusive. Look at Vandy offering 4 million to James Franklin and look at Vandy's bball program. Spend money on athletics you troll. Larry Coker made 2.5 million as a coach in 2003. Al Golden made 2.1 million in 2013. Why is the base salary the school is willing to spend on that position decreasing? I guarantee the salary for every teaching, administrative and researching position over this ten year period has increased. Why is that?

we all know coker was useless but so we're clear...you're comparing Cokers salary AFTER he won the national championship and nearly won a 2nd in a row with 20 plus straight wins to Al golden (who I do in fact support) who is coming off a tenure at temple and average seasons here.

You're right that the base salary has gone down and we aren't known for paying well, but there is a reason it went down because Coker (although lucky because of the talent he had) accomplished a **** ton in a short amount of time.

 

[dookie blaylock]

if you think that general university funds are allowed to be used for athletics, then you don't know **** about how collegiate athletic spending works. athletics is its own corporation (hurricane sports properties, llc) and spends money that it raises on its own. it's illegal to use university general funds towards the athletic program and the school would lose federal and state funding if they were to do so. that's how it works for everybody. funds/donations have to be specifically earmarked for athletic spending, otherwise they are required to be spent on general university projects. students pay a small athletic fee and the rest of the money is made through donations and revenue from 4 sports: football, men's basketball, women's basketball, and baseball. those 4 revenue-generating sports have to pay for 12 other sports and the school also has to work within title ix, which is a whole other issue in itself. other schools that have their own stadiums can easily make revenue because they get 100% of the proceeds from tickets, parking, and concessions. we get the ticket revenue, but we also have to pay a lease and only get percentages of the concessions and parking.

We have a winner. Why not announce a campaign to expressly raise money for a stadium to solve this problem?

because coral gables will never let the university build (even if we had the money, there isn't any space on campus), and unless you can convince miami-dade residents to fund infrastructure for a new stadium, the price would be insanely prohibitive. the buc still has a giant bank of concrete stairs where seats could be, but the gables won't allow any more seating to be installed due to "fire code." the city hates the university, despite the school bringing over $2 billion to the gables annually. do you know how many students had to die crossing us1 before the gables finally approved a pedestrian overpass? the only other places that are remotely realistic are tropical park and a marlins stadium retrofit (good luck with either of those). anywhere else in the city would be an infrastructure nightmare and miami-dade would never allow it. i did a project/cost assessment on building a new stadium for the canes for my masters program, and it's absolutely astronomical in cost once you factor in municipal improvements that would have to be made to accommodate it.

 

[FullyERicht]

LMFAO another person who thinks endowment means football money. FSU and Bama have lower endowments than Miami. Anyone who brings that up should be immediately banned.

Vandy had a way bigger endowment than Miami in 1983, but we proceeded to win 5 titles bc we hired highly qualified coaches and had the same entrance standards as everyone else and have the recruiting garden of Eden in our back yard.

 

[DeadPoets]

a college taking priority in education over sports? what is this world coming to...

Did you read OP's post? They aren't mutually exclusive & it would be naive at best to ignore the fact that athletics generates millions of dollars for academics (and women's athletic programs).

 

[kmwcane]

Donna….. Coker (she was here for the hire) Shannon, Orange Bowl….. 2000/2001 Donna land's at Miami. :/

She is a problem. Nothing will get better until she goes. Look at what an on campus facility has done for basketball. Imagine an on campus or near campus football stadium. No recruits would leave and Miami would be unstoppable.

The basketball team is good because of excellent coaching, not a stadium. Coach L is an amazing coach. I wonder what would happen if the football team had an excellent head coach...

And without The BUC, Coach L probably doesn't even give Miami the time of day which is also he main reason Miami has a negative perception when it comes to big name coaches coming here. With a stadium to call our own, Miami is a top 5 job in the country.

We will just have to disagree on this point. I doubt Coach L gave much thought to the BUC when he was considering taking the Miami job. I'm sure he was thinking about financial terms, a chance to play in the ACC and the chance to retire on south beach.

 

[cryptocane]

So the buc made coach l come here. Stop it. That place had been a ghost town until last year.

 

[btcane]

The presidents before Donna were just as if not more detrimental to sports --- especially football, some trying to kill it. The facility for bball wasn't what made the U good (it helped) it was the coaches both men's and women's (especially Larranaga) . Donna has long been a big fan of college football and was heavily involved at Wisconsin. Tried to bring some Whiskey staff here. She hung tough on the NCAA and scared the shorts off them.

Stop looking for the bogeyman or in this case the bogeywoman....or would that be the bogeyperson.

Do I think we got the best possible coach? No, not really. Are we stuck with him now - guess so - but the leash is probably a lot shorter after this PedU deal.

Did Donna tear down the OB, no, the City did. Did we at the time have any other options - No. Have promises been made to the U and the Dolphins that the stadium would be heavily upgraded - yes, they lied. Hopefully there will be a stadium in the future - never say never. For now however it is what it is.

Donna's job is to run a major university - which has a proud sports program which brings money to the school - I believe that Donna is well aware of that and as well recognizes that the sports programs build loyalty and pride in the school. (note: see above, Donna smites the NCAA).

"Thank you. All fair points, but if Donna is who you say she is, why no announcement or commitment to raise money for a future stadium? Proactive right? Clearly Sun Life is not the answer. And why is the money we saved from moving from the OB not being pumped into the football program? The answer is, she does not care about football and it is not a priority. She is short sighted and believes that by raising funds for athletics she is diluting the potential pool of donors who may give in other areas. She does not think the two arms athletics and academics work together. Talk to anyone in the Hurricane Club and ask them about the battles they have with getting access to the alumni roster and dealing with the University of Miami Alumni Association for fear that the two organizations are competing for the same funds.

Question: Are you an alum? Are you a member of Hurricane Club?

 

[Gatorhater]

is not mutually exclusive. Look at Vandy offering 4 million to James Franklin and look at Vandy's bball program. Spend money on athletics you troll. Larry Coker made 2.5 million as a coach in 2003. Al Golden made 2.1 million in 2013. Why is the base salary the school is willing to spend on that position decreasing? I guarantee the salary for every teaching, administrative and researching position over this ten year period has increased. Why is that?

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Like most programs, UM pays based on performance. We have a history of hiring at the mid-range for our league, and then providing adequate raises based on performance at UM.

Coker didn't make 2+ mil to start. I forget what he was hired at, but he didn't make 2+ mil until after he won a NC and played for another.

Shannon was **** near at the bottom when hired, it was Shannon though. But if we weren't so **** cheap he would have never been hired here. Same for Coker and Golden. Even our AD hires have been desperation hires under her. Its no wonder the last two clowns got out as soon as they could. Now she has Blake "the puppet" James to do her bidding. Good thing Larranaga was cheap or we wouldn't even have landed him.

Why does everyone forget that we were paying off the salaries of three coaches (Coker, Clark, and Labatti) when we hired Shannon? Going cheap was a necessity; we couldn't afford another big-time salary.

Goood point, administration is both cheap and stupid. Gives coaches raise and extension a year before firing them, instead of havig the foresight to know they have a loser and dumping them in timely manner. Let's hope they didn't give Al a raise to keep him this year becuase him being fired within two years is about 60% given he thinks everything is going well. Getting pummeled by a FAU in 2015 before 8,000 fans is the most likely outcome of his continuity program. We can only hope Al's intellect is bigger than his pride -- not putting any money on that prop.

 

[Gamineal]

LMFAO another person who thinks endowment means football money. FSU and Bama have lower endowments than Miami. Anyone who brings that up should be immediately banned.

Vandy had a way bigger endowment than Miami in 1983, but we proceeded to win 5 titles bc we hired highly qualified coaches and had the same entrance standards as everyone else and have the recruiting garden of Eden in our back yard.

we had the best players in the country...yes and a staff that was solid oh and a QB