is not mutually exclusive. Look at Vandy offering 4 million to James Franklin and look at Vandy's bball program. Spend money on athletics you troll. Larry Coker made 2.5 million as a coach in 2003. Al Golden made 2.1 million in 2013. Why is the base salary the school is willing to spend on that position decreasing? I guarantee the salary for every teaching, administrative and researching position over this ten year period has increased. Why is that?
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She is a problem. Nothing will get better until she goes. Look at what an on campus facility has done for basketball. Imagine an on campus or near campus football stadium. No recruits would leave and Miami would be unstoppable.
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In all honesty though Golden had only coached at Temple and Coker (although with Butch's players) had 1 NC and appeared in back to back NC games and in his first 3 years only lost 3 games 36-3. Its not that we are spending less our HC's dont deserve big money.
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Like most programs, UM pays based on performance. We have a history of hiring at the mid-range for our league, and then providing adequate raises based on performance at UM.
Coker didn't make 2+ mil to start. I forget what he was hired at, but he didn't make 2+ mil until after he won a NC and played for another.
Being an SEC team, Vandy has the big $$$ to spend because of their huge TV contract and all. And Franklin is obviously doing well for them, so they're doing the right thing and paying up. Different situation than what UM is in.
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Did she have a hand in getting the Bank United Center erected? (Honest question, I have no clue)
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Shannon was **** near at the bottom when hired, it was Shannon though. But if we weren't so **** cheap he would have never been hired here. Same for Coker and Golden. Even our AD hires have been desperation hires under her. Its no wonder the last two clowns got out as soon as they could. Now she has Blake "the puppet" James to do her bidding. Good thing Larranaga was cheap or we wouldn't even have landed him.
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Coker signed that deal in either August or September of 2005.
Fair point, but if you are offering 3.5 million in 2010 you are looking at proven head coaches and not projects like Al Golden. No reason not be offering that kind of money to get that kind of coaching. Wasn't the move from the Orange Bowl to Sun Life supposed to make financial sense. If the move was not worth at least a million a year (all of which should have been rolled back into the football program) i do not know how justify it.
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Why does everyone forget that we were paying off the salaries of three coaches (Coker, Clark, and Labatti) when we hired Shannon? Going cheap was a necessity; we couldn't afford another big-time salary.
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So you want her to give Corch Golden a raise? Good idea.
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Al is making what he should be making. League average for a guy who never beat a winning team before coming here.
The real issue is that the University has made DUMB hires based on who will promote a "good behavior good grades" environment, and then is forced to fire that guy when he fails on the field, and then has to pay buyout money, and then doesn't have the scratch to hire an elite coach for a few years. Rinse and repeat. We need Al to be taken away simply so we can get out from another crushing contract.
The real issue is that the University has made DUMB hires based on who will promote a "good behavior good grades" environment, and then is forced to fire that guy when he fails on the field, and then has to pay buyout money, and then doesn't have the scratch to hire an elite coach for a few years. Rinse and repeat. We need Al to be taken away simply so we can get out from another crushing contract.
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The presidents before Donna were just as if not more detrimental to sports --- especially football, some trying to kill it. The facility for bball wasn't what made the U good (it helped) it was the coaches both men's and women's (especially Larranaga) . Donna has long been a big fan of college football and was heavily involved at Wisconsin. Tried to bring some Whiskey staff here. She hung tough on the NCAA and scared the shorts off them.
Stop looking for the bogeyman or in this case the bogeywoman....or would that be the bogeyperson.
Do I think we got the best possible coach? No, not really. Are we stuck with him now - guess so - but the leash is probably a lot shorter after this PedU deal.
Did Donna tear down the OB, no, the City did. Did we at the time have any other options - No. Have promises been made to the U and the Dolphins that the stadium would be heavily upgraded - yes, they lied. Hopefully there will be a stadium in the future - never say never. For now however it is what it is.
Donna's job is to run a major university - which has a proud sports program which brings money to the school - I believe that Donna is well aware of that and as well recognizes that the sports programs build loyalty and pride in the school. (note: see above, Donna smites the NCAA).
The U has decent Alumni support - but we are not Texas, Alabama, tOSU, PSU, etc. As the university grows and increases its influence perhaps we will engender more deep pocketed alumni (note to former Canes now doing well in the NFL, NBA --- don't forget the U. Support the Hurricane Club and the U for all it is - want changes? Get active - don't whine.
Stop looking for the bogeyman or in this case the bogeywoman....or would that be the bogeyperson.
Do I think we got the best possible coach? No, not really. Are we stuck with him now - guess so - but the leash is probably a lot shorter after this PedU deal.
Did Donna tear down the OB, no, the City did. Did we at the time have any other options - No. Have promises been made to the U and the Dolphins that the stadium would be heavily upgraded - yes, they lied. Hopefully there will be a stadium in the future - never say never. For now however it is what it is.
Donna's job is to run a major university - which has a proud sports program which brings money to the school - I believe that Donna is well aware of that and as well recognizes that the sports programs build loyalty and pride in the school. (note: see above, Donna smites the NCAA).
The U has decent Alumni support - but we are not Texas, Alabama, tOSU, PSU, etc. As the university grows and increases its influence perhaps we will engender more deep pocketed alumni (note to former Canes now doing well in the NFL, NBA --- don't forget the U. Support the Hurricane Club and the U for all it is - want changes? Get active - don't whine.
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Those presidents were beholden to the success of the football program to pay for the other sports. In the ACC, Donna is not. We don't NEED a good team anymore. So she can afford to pretend to love the sport, and not have an actual football fund until her 4th AD.
Those presidents used the minimum NCAA entrance standard of the time. Donna does not.
Those presidents werent pretending Miami is some elite academic center of the country. Donna does, and still can't crack the top 40 consistently, but acts like we are Duke.
Those presidents had Sam Jankovich. Donna had Paul Dee who will go down as one of the WOAT athletic directors.
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a college taking priority in education over sports? what is this world coming to...
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It doesnt have to be one or the other.
UF was KILLING it in football and basketball while ranked academically right where we are now.
Texas, USC, OSU, UF, UNC, all won championships as equal to or better academic institutions than we are right now.
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I don't think anyone is claiming that it shouldn't be that way; however, this administration has not shown it is truly commited to winning games. It feels as if the program's perception is far more important than results.
Thank you. All fair points, but if Donna is who you say she is, why no announcement or commitment to raise money for a future stadium? Proactive right? Clearly Sun Life is not the answer. And why is the money we saved from moving from the OB not being pumped into the football program? The answer is, she does not care about football and it is not a priority. She is short sighted and believes that by raising funds for athletics she is diluting the potential pool of donors who may give in other areas. She does not think the two arms athletics and academics work together. Talk to anyone in the Hurricane Club and ask them about the battles they have with getting access to the alumni roster and dealing with the University of Miami Alumni Association for fear that the two organizations are competing for the same funds.
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No heavy alumni participation at any of those schools......$$$$$$$ talks.
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