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Hurricanemike32

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If you look at what Boston College did against F$U to stay in the game it seems like a plan that we could effectively use as well. They won the time of possession battle by about 7 minutes which kept Winston and that offense off of the field for a good part of that game. They were extremely balanced and kept their defense on their heels for while the game was close as well. They ran the ball 45 times for 200 yards and they threw it 30 times for another 200. I think with our offensive line and running backs we could employ the same strategy which would also open things up for Morris and the passing game. If we can do that and limit the big plays by their offense we should have a great chance. Hopefully the coaches have popped that game tape in a few times this week. :neonu:
 
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BC had to do that because they didn't have the athletes to play with FSU. I might be wrong about this, but I think we have the players to stand toe to toe with them and beat them.
 
Our QB and our OC have to be patient and stick with the run. Then play action to keep the chains moving. Slow down the game and chew clock. FSU will get impatient.
 
Hurricanemike32 said:
If you look at what Boston College did against F$U to stay in the game it seems like a plan that we could effectively use as well. They won the time of possession battle by about 7 minutes which kept Winston and that offense off of the field for a good part of that game. They were extremely balanced and kept their defense on their heels for while the game was close as well. They ran the ball 45 times for 200 yards and they threw it 30 times for another 200. I think with our offensive line and running backs we could employ the same strategy which would also open things up for Morris and the passing game. If we can do that and limit the big plays by their offense we should have a great chance. Hopefully the coaches have popped that game tape in a few times this week. :neonu:
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Agreed, but that's not how our offense has been. Quite honeslty, it's feast or famine with us. In order for this to work, we are going to realy heavily on heavy doses of Crawford and utilizing Walford on short intermediate routes. We don't do that, it's gonna be lots of 3 and outs deep in our territory.
 
Shortening the game is always a tough sell to a bunch of guys who SHOULD think they're just as good as fsu's guys. If they get the feeling the coaches don't trust them, then they might go in tight and wilt. Now, if the coaches pitch it to them that we are going to out-tough them and run it down their throats and show them who the tougher team is, then it might work. Can't give the impression you're going in there scared though, or it'll backfire.
 
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If we are going to run the ball all game, as so many on here are recommending, the OL better find a way not to let defenders into the backfield BEFORE the ball is handed off to the runner. That has been a consistent problem all year, including against lowly Wake Forest.
 
drifters1234 said:
If we are going to run the ball all game, as so many on here are recommending, the OL better find a way not to let defenders into the backfield BEFORE the ball is handed off to the runner. That has been a consistent problem all year, including against lowly Wake Forest.
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If our OL gets whipped in the run game, then we are going to get killed. This whole game will turn on our ability to make plays in the run game and make them respect our run game. If their front eats up our run game and allows them to drop too many of those fast guys into passing lanes, then Morris will look like a busted diarrhea pipe out there spraying sht all over the field.
 
BC was pounding the ball but they also mixed it up with timely passes to keep fsu off balance. They had a couple throw backs to their TE and he was open multiple times.

On Defense they mixed it up and came after winston, if not for the play before halftime hail mary they would of been in position. I think their D did a good job of bringing 5 and mixing their blitzes. I dont really see us do that much. Usually we have 4 downlineman and you know who is coming. BC crowded the line of scrimmage and confused Winston and the Oline and bought timely pressure to get to Winston. We like to stay in base D and unleash Shayon to cause pressure on early downs or hold edge. McCord comes on 3rd down.

http://youtu.be/X3NsWj-b2ds
 
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While I was watching that BC game I kept thinking that if BC had one **** reciever that could get seperation they could beat them.

FSU is stacked with athletes, no doubt, but they a are little small at LB, and I think they can be run on if you can commit to it. Clemson obviously fell behind and had to throw, so they were screwed. We will try and pound the ball. I know Duke's style is well suited to the zone stretch plays, but I hope we also go right at them inside the tackles...maybe give Mo a few carries. And I will **** if we run some wildcat with Dallas. They will have to respect his throwing.

On D, the key will be to take care of the ball and force them to go 80-90 yards. I think you will see a very similar game plan to what you saw against UF. Stop the run and make Winston excecute. I think we'll play soft zones and try to make him get inpatient. Winston's not going to throw 20 5 and 8 yard routes like Wake Forest did.
 
skyman said:
BC was pounding the ball but they also mixed it up with timely passes to keep fsu off balance. They had a couple throw backs to their TE and he was open multiple times.

On Defense they mixed it up and came after winston, if not for the play before halftime hail mary they would of been in position. I think their D did a good job of bringing 5 and mixing their blitzes. I dont really see us do that much. Usually we have 4 downlineman and you know who is coming. BC crowded the line of scrimmage and confused Winston and the Oline and bought timely pressure to get to Winston. We like to stay in base D and unleash Shayon to cause pressure on early downs or hold edge. McCord comes on 3rd down.

http://youtu.be/X3NsWj-b2ds
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I think we can cause issues with the front four if we stunt them and like you said mix coverage and blitzes . Winston will pick you apart in man if you watch the video not zone. Even Peyton manning has trouble reading defense at times.
 
The Franchise said:
Shortening the game is always a tough sell to a bunch of guys who SHOULD think they're just as good as fsu's guys. If they get the feeling the coaches don't trust them, then they might go in tight and wilt. Now, if the coaches pitch it to them that we are going to out-tough them and run it down their throats and show them who the tougher team is, then it might work. Can't give the impression you're going in there scared though, or it'll backfire.
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This, you sell it by telling the team we are tougher than them and we are going to dominate them with our OL.
 
The Franchise said:
Shortening the game is always a tough sell to a bunch of guys who SHOULD think they're just as good as fsu's guys. If they get the feeling the coaches don't trust them, then they might go in tight and wilt. Now, if the coaches pitch it to them that we are going to out-tough them and run it down their throats and show them who the tougher team is, then it might work. Can't give the impression you're going in there scared though, or it'll backfire.
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This is a very smart post.
 
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Dingaan1828 said:
The Franchise said:
Shortening the game is always a tough sell to a bunch of guys who SHOULD think they're just as good as fsu's guys. If they get the feeling the coaches don't trust them, then they might go in tight and wilt. Now, if the coaches pitch it to them that we are going to out-tough them and run it down their throats and show them who the tougher team is, then it might work. Can't give the impression you're going in there scared though, or it'll backfire.
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This is a very smart post.
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I think this goes without saying....we must shorten the game. Control the clock and pound the ball. This is job 1...if we can't do it it's going to be a long night.
 
We need positive plays early in series so that our third downs are manageable. That will help protect Morris some from mistakes and make play action more effective.
 
Ibis Wingz said:
BC had to do that because they didn't have the athletes to play with FSU. I might be wrong about this, but I think we have the players to stand toe to toe with them and beat them.
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I agree. I did like what they did on offense (BC). Stick to the run, 74 total plays and 45 were runs (61%). Before the end of the game Chase Rettig was doing a nice job too. He had 3 TDs and 0 INTs before the 4th quarter.

A few things about their offense and one play on defense also stuck out

1. 2nd Quarter: 1st and 10 at FSU 17, they rush on first down (with Willis) for zero yards. One 2nd down, they rush for 8 yards (with Williams). 3rd and 2 at the FSU 9, they rush it again and get 1 yard. If we're in this situation, we must convert here on 3rd down.

2. 2nd Quarter: BC gets the ball and goes 3 and out. They punt the ball on 4th down for 33 total yards and FSU gets it with 50 seconds on the clock. On first down, BC sacks Winston for a 9 yard loss. On second down, Freeman has a 14 yard run. 3rd and 5 (with the clock expiring), this happened

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9738427

BC had two opportunities at the sack and had Winston wrapped. Instead, Shaw gets behind the DB (no idea why this is possible given it is a half mary situation) and scores the TD.

This play changes the game, instead of going to halftime tied with the ball after the half they are down 7.

3. 3rd Quarter: Kickoff is returned by Willis for 71 yards to the FSU 25. This is a major opportunity for BC. They get a first down on a penalty and now have the ball 1st and 10 at the FSU 12. This is the same situation as above. BC settles for the FG and FSU never looks back.

When you're that deep in FSU's territory: 1st and 10 at the 12 and 1st and 10 at the 17. A FG sometimes won't do it.
 
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BigCaneAl said:
Dingaan1828 said:
The Franchise said:
Shortening the game is always a tough sell to a bunch of guys who SHOULD think they're just as good as fsu's guys. If they get the feeling the coaches don't trust them, then they might go in tight and wilt. Now, if the coaches pitch it to them that we are going to out-tough them and run it down their throats and show them who the tougher team is, then it might work. Can't give the impression you're going in there scared though, or it'll backfire.
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This is a very smart post.
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I think this goes without saying....we must shorten the game. Control the clock and pound the ball. This is job 1...if we can't do it it's going to be a long night.
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I was referring to how you sell it. Going into a game with the object of shortening it, is an admission that you believe given an equal number of possessions, the other guys will score more often than you will. Limiting total possession makes it closer to a coin flip than flipping a coin 50 times. You have to sell your team on that some other way.
 
bethune also had 200 yards rushing on them...Nevada 128 NCST 188......I am not sure when all these numbers were had..when FSU yanked their starters..but you dont get 100 yards on GOOD defenses...we are lites years better at running the ball then these teams...maybe?
 
IMO, we gotta keep it tight into the second half to see how FSU responds. They've not been pushed in the second half all season, so Miami needs to push their conditioning. Chances are they could get tight and then get winded.
 
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