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Derick Hunter

calinative umstudent said:
I really don't get what you are arguing about.
Anyone that signs a NLI, whether they qualify or not, counts as an IC, and thats been the case for at least like 5 years now.

And You know you can agree that 28 is the max (with 3 being backcounted) while also agreeing that 25-26 is the most likely class size we end up with, right? One is our Max class size, the other is the Most Likely class size. This isn't an either or. Both are true.....now if someone is saying we could sign 29 or 30+, then yeah, thats BS for sure.

Secondly this 5 EE's being backcounted limit thing sounds false. If that were true how does ANY school sign 31 or more players in a year? They wouldn't be able to. I mean that only happens once in a blue moon (because its not smart to sign 30+ in a class), but unless thats a new rule, there have definitely been a couple schools who have signed over 30 since 2016.
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yea i would love to see where in the rules it limits the back counting of EE's to 5. pretty sure its BS, unless that was just added recently. either way, a simple look at the handbook will solve the issue.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D118.pdf
 
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DerekDohrman said:
yea i would love to see where in the rules it limits the back counting of EE's to 5. pretty sure its BS, unless that was just added recently. either way, a simple look at the handbook will solve the issue.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D118.pdf
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When did the rule change from getting aid to just signing a NLI/LOI? If that is the case, we have no space due to players like Griffin who signed but never showed.
 
90scane said:
When did the rule change from getting aid to just signing a NLI/LOI? If that is the case, we have no space due to players like Griffin who signed but never showed.
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it looks like that rule changed 8/1/17. the limit of 25 on financial aid initial counters still exists too.

13.9.2.3 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings—Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. [D] (Adopted: 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10, Revised: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

13.9.2.3.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the next academic year. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

13.9.2.3.2 Exception—Agreement After Second Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

13.9.2.3.3 Exception—Incapacitating Injury or Illness. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete or student-athlete who, prior to participation in athletically related activities, becomes injured or ill to the point that he or she apparently never again will be able to participate in intercollegiate athletics shall not count toward the institution’s annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)




15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
 
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Oooooooooooo this boy about to catch a WHOOPIN. He better stay away from the players after what he pulled in Turdville. Somebody keep Willis off campus when he comes please! That man doesn’t need to catch a charge lol.
 

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Lmao, wow

I asked the question the other day and I don’t think anyone replied but was that HIM throwing down the U in that picture or was he the other guy? Regardless it’s not a good look, but helps his case a little? Nobody should count this kid as a commitment until that sig is in.
 
It says something about the U that he’s on a visit to UF and he saw fit to have the U enter his mind. I’d rather Miami just leave him alone but I’m not in charge there. He seems like trouble.
 
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Once again, I am proven to be correct.

Lots of people on here are confused, so here is the reality.

Derek Dohrman is citing the rules from Section 13, which have to do with SIGNING.

However, there are SEPARATE rules on Financial Aid, found in Section 15.

Many people conflate these rules. That is wrong. The confusion arises because ALL TYPES OF PLAYERS count towards the IC Financial Aid rules. Transfers count. Grad transfers count. Yet, the rules on SIGNING CLASSES (incoming freshmen) are actually separate.

When I have talked about us having 26 or 27 spots based on IC rules, that includes all types of kids who can come to Miami, including grad transfers. The IC rules are the ones that allow up to 5 early enrollees (assuming we have numbers below 25 for the prior year) to count towards the PREVIOUS YEAR solely for the purposes of being an "initial counter", which is defined as the first time they receive financial aid.

Some simple examples.

Year 1, you sign 20 incoming freshmen, you take 2 transfers, thus you have 22 ICs. Year 2, you sign 25 incoming freshmen, you can take 3 transfers, and you can count 3 early enrollee freshmen as ICs towards Year 1, while taking the 22 other freshmen and the 3 tranfers as ICs against Year 2.

Year 1, you sign 25 incoming freshmen, they are all ICs for Year 1. Year 2, you sign 10 incoming freshmen (the FBI mentions you in a bogus investigation), and they 10 freshmen are ICs for Year 2. Year 3, you sign 25 incoming freshmen and 10 transfers. Five early enrollee freshmen can count as ICs towards Year 2, 10 transfers and 15 freshmen can count as ICs towards Year 3, five freshmen will have to grayshirt and enroll in Year 4.

Again, please note that you can SIGN 25 to Letters of Intent (i.e., financial aid contracts) in an annual cycle, but you have to apply the IC rules to see what year they count towards.

Section 13 applies to recruited players and the financial aid OFFERS. Section 15 applies to financial aid packages OF ENROLLED STUDENTS.
 
htownkidd said:
Lmao, wow

I asked the question the other day and I don’t think anyone replied but was that HIM throwing down the U in that picture or was he the other guy? Regardless it’s not a good look, but helps his case a little? Nobody should count this kid as a commitment until that sig is in.
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He was the one flashing that, the other kid was Pickering from MS.

Theres also a pic floating around of the both of them flashing it although I would assume Pickering wasn't dissing us
 
Brock Berlin said:
He was the one flashing that, the other kid was Pickering from MS.

Theres also a pic floating around of the both of them flashing it although I would assume Pickering wasn't dissing us
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Got ya
Well nah, he can gtfo. I was one of the few who still wanted us to keep recruiting him throughout all of his mess but not anymore.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Once again, I am proven to be correct.

Lots of people on here are confused, so here is the reality.

Derek Dohrman is citing the rules from Section 13, which have to do with SIGNING.

However, there are SEPARATE rules on Financial Aid, found in Section 15.

Many people conflate these rules. That is wrong. The confusion arises because ALL TYPES OF PLAYERS count towards the IC Financial Aid rules. Transfers count. Grad transfers count. Yet, the rules on SIGNING CLASSES (incoming freshmen) are actually separate.

When I have talked about us having 26 or 27 spots based on IC rules, that includes all types of kids who can come to Miami, including grad transfers. The IC rules are the ones that allow up to 5 early enrollees (assuming we have numbers below 25 for the prior year) to count towards the PREVIOUS YEAR solely for the purposes of being an "initial counter", which is defined as the first time they receive financial aid.

Some simple examples.

Year 1, you sign 20 incoming freshmen, you take 2 transfers, thus you have 22 ICs. Year 2, you sign 25 incoming freshmen, you can take 3 transfers, and you can count 3 early enrollee freshmen as ICs towards Year 1, while taking the 22 other freshmen and the 3 tranfers as ICs against Year 2.

Year 1, you sign 25 incoming freshmen, they are all ICs for Year 1. Year 2, you sign 10 incoming freshmen (the FBI mentions you in a bogus investigation), and they 10 freshmen are ICs for Year 2. Year 3, you sign 25 incoming freshmen and 10 transfers. Five early enrollee freshmen can count as ICs towards Year 2, 10 transfers and 15 freshmen can count as ICs towards Year 3, five freshmen will have to grayshirt and enroll in Year 4.

Again, please note that you can SIGN 25 to Letters of Intent (i.e., financial aid contracts) in an annual cycle, but you have to apply the IC rules to see what year they count towards.

Section 13 applies to recruited players and the financial aid OFFERS. Section 15 applies to financial aid packages OF ENROLLED STUDENTS.
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i referenced the IC's being a separate rule in the first line of my post. i also included section 15 in my post, down at the bottom.

agree, they are separate rules that have to work together, and different situations can apply to each.

but, no where did i suggest that the Signing rule(section 13) limits signing over 25. in fact, the 2nd paragraph (13.9.2.3.1 ), suggests the ways in which you can sign more than 25. its essentially the same logic as for the IC's & financial aid.(Section 15). if you sign and enroll early, you can back count if there's space.

and lastly, ive yet to see the 5 EE back-counting limit anywhere in the rules. I posted a link to the newest guidelines above if anyone wants to point it out.
 
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The way this reads, a grey shirt is dead. If so, how did bama pull it off with the DL from Florida? They basically oversigned so he couldn’t come until January. Or was that before the rule?
 
htownkidd said:
Lmao, wow

I asked the question the other day and I don’t think anyone replied but was that HIM throwing down the U in that picture or was he the other guy? Regardless it’s not a good look, but helps his case a little? Nobody should count this kid as a commitment until that sig is in.
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I replied to it. It was him throwing the U upside down. Hunter was wearing #6.
 
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