Defensive Scheme: We provide the MONEY ZONE

[CaneAlmighty]

I am starting to think that Golden is a great leader, but he's more of a CEO type and is lacking in the X's and O's department. The way he has run the program so far has been top notch, but the on field results just aren't translating.


Starting to believe he is going to need some really great assistants and coordinators to be successful here. He pretty much has run the program like a CEO since he has been here, and he has done it well.

And maybe it's just time that I realize that he's not some X and O guru or strategic mastermind. He's a CEO type who is great at managing and motivating players/coaches and getting the best out of them, but not necessarily strong as far as the gameday and in-game strategy and play-calling. He's not a Saban, or a Kelly. He's going to have to have a program running the way he wants it and then have great assistants who are creative and intelligent strategically to do the work for him.

This isn't a shot at Golden, it's a good thing and that's the reason why we hired him and why I still believe he can return us to respectability again. I just don't think he is as sophisticated strategically as other top coaches around the country. And he may not need to be if he's as good of a CEO as I think he can be.

This is a fantastic post. I've been saying this stuff re: the CEO dynamic for a long time.

As you know, strategic masterminds are really ****ing hard to find and we're not in position to get one as a head coach. However, my dream is to get these type of guys as DCs and OCs. Freak film guys. They exist. You just have to take a risk with them.

I think the jury's still out.

Saban wasn't considered a defensive mastermind until he won the national title at LSU.

Again, not saying Golden is an X's & O's genius by ANY STRETCH, but we may need to see more.

Maybe not by the average CFB fan, but he was known as a defensive mastermind in football circles long before 2003.

You are correct. Bill Polian of the Colts interviewed Saban in 98 while still being at Michigan State. He also wanted to bring him in in 2002 to take over for the fired Mora but the deal fell through.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I am starting to think that Golden is a great leader, but he's more of a CEO type and is lacking in the X's and O's department. The way he has run the program so far has been top notch, but the on field results just aren't translating.


Starting to believe he is going to need some really great assistants and coordinators to be successful here. He pretty much has run the program like a CEO since he has been here, and he has done it well.

And maybe it's just time that I realize that he's not some X and O guru or strategic mastermind. He's a CEO type who is great at managing and motivating players/coaches and getting the best out of them, but not necessarily strong as far as the gameday and in-game strategy and play-calling. He's not a Saban, or a Kelly. He's going to have to have a program running the way he wants it and then have great assistants who are creative and intelligent strategically to do the work for him.

This isn't a shot at Golden, it's a good thing and that's the reason why we hired him and why I still believe he can return us to respectability again. I just don't think he is as sophisticated strategically as other top coaches around the country. And he may not need to be if he's as good of a CEO as I think he can be.

This is the best post of the day. Maybe Golden isn't a X & O wiz and took his marching orders as Def. Coord. from Al Groh.

 

[LuCane]

I am starting to think that Golden is a great leader, but he's more of a CEO type and is lacking in the X's and O's department. The way he has run the program so far has been top notch, but the on field results just aren't translating.


Starting to believe he is going to need some really great assistants and coordinators to be successful here. He pretty much has run the program like a CEO since he has been here, and he has done it well.

And maybe it's just time that I realize that he's not some X and O guru or strategic mastermind. He's a CEO type who is great at managing and motivating players/coaches and getting the best out of them, but not necessarily strong as far as the gameday and in-game strategy and play-calling. He's not a Saban, or a Kelly. He's going to have to have a program running the way he wants it and then have great assistants who are creative and intelligent strategically to do the work for him.

This isn't a shot at Golden, it's a good thing and that's the reason why we hired him and why I still believe he can return us to respectability again. I just don't think he is as sophisticated strategically as other top coaches around the country. And he may not need to be if he's as good of a CEO as I think he can be.

This is the best post of the day. Maybe Golden isn't a X & O wiz and took his marching orders as Def. Coord. from Al Groh.

The thing is...

Even if that's the case (and I think it is), we can and I think we will still be very good again. It just may take a little longer than we'd like and it will almost certainly test Golden's ability to be flexible.

If this were a startup company, Al may not be the guy who's building strategic/marketing plans, developing customers nor developing/engineering the product. He's the guy who works with that framework, is the face of the company and has a great ability to raise venture money.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I am starting to think that Golden is a great leader, but he's more of a CEO type and is lacking in the X's and O's department. The way he has run the program so far has been top notch, but the on field results just aren't translating.


Starting to believe he is going to need some really great assistants and coordinators to be successful here. He pretty much has run the program like a CEO since he has been here, and he has done it well.

And maybe it's just time that I realize that he's not some X and O guru or strategic mastermind. He's a CEO type who is great at managing and motivating players/coaches and getting the best out of them, but not necessarily strong as far as the gameday and in-game strategy and play-calling. He's not a Saban, or a Kelly. He's going to have to have a program running the way he wants it and then have great assistants who are creative and intelligent strategically to do the work for him.

This isn't a shot at Golden, it's a good thing and that's the reason why we hired him and why I still believe he can return us to respectability again. I just don't think he is as sophisticated strategically as other top coaches around the country. And he may not need to be if he's as good of a CEO as I think he can be.

This is the best post of the day. Maybe Golden isn't a X & O wiz and took his marching orders as Def. Coord. from Al Groh.

The thing is...

Even if that's the case (and I think it is), we can and I think we will still be very good again. It just may take a little longer than we'd like and it will almost certainly test Golden's ability to be flexible.

If this were a startup company, Al may not be the guy who's building strategic/marketing plans, developing customers nor developing/engineering the product. He's the guy who works with that framework, is the face of the company and has a great ability to raise venture money.

Agreed......have all the faith in the world in Golden. Like you said though.....he must be flexible.

 

[DiegoCane]

I hate this, but you're dead on. We saw this last year.

Most probably hoped this would change this year. It hasn't, and it depresses the **** outta me.

Makes me think Golden's ceiling is Butch, and that may be stretching it.

This says nothing about Golden but Butch would have won multiple national championships if he stayed. He would have been an absolute beast if he stayed.

 

[Marcelo2988]

It's crazy how it took such an *** whooping like what UM received today to bring the best out of our posters. All solid posts and great discussion. Some of you have made great points about Golden and I hope they are accurate assessments. Today was the first time I ever really doubted Golden and asked myself if this is the guy to take us back to national prominence.

What I haven't seen anyone mention was the awful clock management at the end of the first half. We're down 24-3 and we have about 1:20 to go down the field and possibly score a touchdown to make it a respectable 24-10. We also would receive first in the 2nd half. Instead of calling a timeout we run an inexplicable 30+ seconds off the clock and of course when we get inside their 10 yardline we don't have time to go for the endzone and settle for a field goal.

This made me furious and reminded me of how I used to feel every game with Shannon's clock management and poorly called timeouts. It was just very frustrating to watch.

 

[casualcane]

I'm pretty sure Butch told his players he was staying.

Then he still left.

 

[Staybon]

Any idea how many times we threw 8 in the box today?

man you don't know how many times I was saying to myself "just put 8 in the **** box!"

they didn't throw a pass with either back up QB yet we had a safety lined up **** near 14 yards off the ball with the other about 10-12 yards off the ball. its 100% clear that Snyder has decided no more passes will be thrown yet we still got 7 in the box and one of the safeties playing deep center field?

 

[LuCane]

It's crazy how it took such an *** whooping like what UM received today to bring the best out of our posters. All solid posts and great discussion. Some of you have made great points about Golden and I hope they are accurate assessments. Today was the first time I ever really doubted Golden and asked myself if this is the guy to take us back to national prominence.

What I haven't seen anyone mention was the awful clock management at the end of the first half. We're down 24-3 and we have about 1:20 to go down the field and possibly score a touchdown to make it a respectable 24-10. We also would receive first in the 2nd half. Instead of calling a timeout we run an inexplicable 30+ seconds off the clock and of course when we get inside their 10 yardline we don't have time to go for the endzone and settle for a field goal.

This made me furious and reminded me of how I used to feel every game with Shannon's clock management and poorly called timeouts. It was just very frustrating to watch.

We talked about it during the game thread. My complete assumption is that he was literally scared to let KState get the ball back...again. They even ran the ball before they realized how easily they could move the ball down the middle of the field. My biggest fear is that they're afraid to look bad and allow others to perceive them as failures. The irony is that they looked terrible today using that exact approach. I hope he adjusts. We need more aggression. What's the big deal between losing 66-13 and 52-13? If it meant giving us a chance to be aggressive, like we were on the play that Mcgee got the INT (we forced a quicker throw), count me in.

 

[DeadPoets]

It's crazy how it took such an *** whooping like what UM received today to bring the best out of our posters. All solid posts and great discussion. Some of you have made great points about Golden and I hope they are accurate assessments. Today was the first time I ever really doubted Golden and asked myself if this is the guy to take us back to national prominence.

What I haven't seen anyone mention was the awful clock management at the end of the first half. We're down 24-3 and we have about 1:20 to go down the field and possibly score a touchdown to make it a respectable 24-10. We also would receive first in the 2nd half. Instead of calling a timeout we run an inexplicable 30+ seconds off the clock and of course when we get inside their 10 yardline we don't have time to go for the endzone and settle for a field goal.

This made me furious and reminded me of how I used to feel every game with Shannon's clock management and poorly called timeouts. It was just very frustrating to watch.

Golden and Jedd have been really effective at clock management so far in their tenures. During the 2 minute drive you're speaking of did you see how many freshmen were on the field?

Fisch and Golden are throwing everything at the kids in regards to the offense. And t obe quite honest they've handled it tremendously (thanks to Morris I think).
The offense, even after struggles today, has shown glimpses of greatness under Jedd. He's a smart guy and I always see him anticipating and staying ahead of DC's (he often has some nice play calls on short yardage and some timely middle screens, etc.

Sure he's been out-coaching himself in the redzone but that'll change.

Best news of all is Golden is NOT stubborn. He hasn't showed an ounce of stubborness. Unsuccessful CEOs and coaches alike are more often than not stubborn and don't allow others to help them.

 

[fastcane]

''In this thread, we show evidence of why his scheme doesn't work and why it is flawed.''

We have the worst D line i have ever seen at Miami. There is no coach that can make them better. I'd try to add 3 D linemen to this class, if at all possible.

 

[Marcelo2988]

It's crazy how it took such an *** whooping like what UM received today to bring the best out of our posters. All solid posts and great discussion. Some of you have made great points about Golden and I hope they are accurate assessments. Today was the first time I ever really doubted Golden and asked myself if this is the guy to take us back to national prominence.

What I haven't seen anyone mention was the awful clock management at the end of the first half. We're down 24-3 and we have about 1:20 to go down the field and possibly score a touchdown to make it a respectable 24-10. We also would receive first in the 2nd half. Instead of calling a timeout we run an inexplicable 30+ seconds off the clock and of course when we get inside their 10 yardline we don't have time to go for the endzone and settle for a field goal.

This made me furious and reminded me of how I used to feel every game with Shannon's clock management and poorly called timeouts. It was just very frustrating to watch.

Golden and Jedd have been really effective at clock management so far in their tenures. During the 2 minute drive you're speaking of did you see how many freshmen were on the field?

Fisch and Golden are throwing everything at the kids in regards to the offense. And t obe quite honest they've handled it tremendously (thanks to Morris I think).
The offense, even after struggles today, has shown glimpses of greatness under Jedd. He's a smart guy and I always see him anticipating and staying ahead of DC's (he often has some nice play calls on short yardage and some timely middle screens, etc.

Sure he's been out-coaching himself in the redzone but that'll change.

Best news of all is Golden is NOT stubborn. He hasn't showed an ounce of stubborness. Unsuccessful CEOs and coaches alike are more often than not stubborn and don't allow others to help them.

Yea that at least gives me some hope that Golden will adjust and make changes on the run to improve our team. Today though, Golden did not get it.

 

[madsworldcane]

I am starting to think that Golden is a great leader, but he's more of a CEO type and is lacking in the X's and O's department. The way he has run the program so far has been top notch, but the on field results just aren't translating.


Starting to believe he is going to need some really great assistants and coordinators to be successful here. He pretty much has run the program like a CEO since he has been here, and he has done it well.

And maybe it's just time that I realize that he's not some X and O guru or strategic mastermind. He's a CEO type who is great at managing and motivating players/coaches and getting the best out of them, but not necessarily strong as far as the gameday and in-game strategy and play-calling. He's not a Saban, or a Kelly. He's going to have to have a program running the way he wants it and then have great assistants who are creative and intelligent strategically to do the work for him.

This isn't a shot at Golden, it's a good thing and that's the reason why we hired him and why I still believe he can return us to respectability again. I just don't think he is as sophisticated strategically as other top coaches around the country. And he may not need to be if he's as good of a CEO as I think he can be.

This is a fantastic post. I've been saying this stuff re: the CEO dynamic for a long time.

As you know, strategic masterminds are really ****ing hard to find and we're not in position to get one as a head coach. However, my dream is to get these type of guys as DCs and OCs. Freak film guys. They exist. You just have to take a risk with them.

last year I called Al Golden a "Buy the Book" coach. These type of coaches rarely stray away from established coaching guidelines.Paterno was a by the book type of coach. These types of coaches won't beat you with innovation or creativity. There mind set is their superior execution will beat you more often than not. The problem with these coaches is that it takes time to get a program to that point.
Beamer is another by the book coach. It's something that could work at a place like Miami with the talent and skill but it will take time and longer than a more innovative coach would get Miami winning.

I think these three posts are really good.

Jimmy was not a very good X's and O's Coach, and Butch was a game day disaster (for those throwing his name out there). However, Jimmy was a great CEO that hired excellent coordinators. Jimmy always said that a great HC can't be afraid to hire people that are better than him.

Golden just needs to surround himself with better coaching talent. Finding a great CEO is not easy to find either

 

[jmbflame21]

I think Golden is a great CEO, he has a plan and seems very organized and is obviously a good recruiter. It's the coordinators he has that worry me. We need to spend some money on new D coordinators, D-line, D-backs, everybody. Until we do that, we are going to continue to give up 500 yards a game with this D'Onofrio guy.

 

[moshated305]

I don't think its all scheme as many have made it out to be. I see DL that can't get off blocks. LBs and DBs getting lost in coverage. I have seen us blitz. Klien only TD pass was on a blitz. I watched Howard get beat in man to man press coverage. Gaines got beat in man to man by the TE and then Telemaque stood there as the ball goes over the top of him. Bush saved the TD (they scored a few playe later lol).

You can preach scheme all day long but if you don't have the horses, you just don't have the horses. At some point players have to make plays. Our DL is pathetic. Worse I have seen here. Chickillo might be the only player that another BCS school would want if we put our DL up for sale. Maybe a better scheme only gives up 30-40 points today but would that really make anyone on here feel any better?

 

[WhatTheHell]

We run the RETREAT defense.

Everyone is flying away from the LOS into their deep zones because we petrified of getting beat. I guess we feel we have the talent of Savannah State.

That's a big problem, another is that our d line is horrible. I was watching LSU and crying at their line. They are monsters. That makes a defense. I could put a child in a wheel chair at DB and I'd be safe if I had 4 guys mauling the QB before he could get rid of the football. But right now we have 11 guys on defense playing like they're in wheelchairs. ******* awful.

 

[UM58]

We have tried to press with tracy howard a few times and hes been getting burned. Im all for trying something new cuz what we are watching is horrific. But pressing man to man coverage with zero pass rush and young inexperienced corners doesnt sound to good either. Bicho has spoken. I would rather give up a 75 yard td and go right back on offense than to die a slow painful death every defensive series.

Part of that could be because of this soft coaching mentality. Coach them to be aggressive on every play. Howard is a naturally aggressive player. He will thrive in that type of defense if given the chance over time.

 

[DeadPoets]

Whatthehell,
I can't stand that ish either.
Ball is hiked and there go our players like robots into their deep zones.

I'll never forget at Maryland last year when jimmy Gaines, as the ball is snapped turns his head to drop into his zone and before he can turn around the TE had the ball, a first down, and was in Gaines's face.

Absolute awful scheme.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

We run the RETREAT defense.

Everyone is flying away from the LOS into their deep zones because we petrified of getting beat. I guess we feel we have the talent of Savannah State.

That's a big problem, another is that our d line is horrible. I was watching LSU and crying at their line. They are monsters. That makes a defense. I could put a child in a wheel chair at DB and I'd be safe if I had 4 guys mauling the QB before he could get rid of the football. But right now we have 11 guys on defense playing like they're in wheelchairs. ******* awful.

This guy gets it.

I was saying the same thing bout LSU earlier. There DL is always coming forward, those guys play FAST

 

[CanesAreAble]

I'll never forget at Maryland last year when jimmy Gaines, as the ball is snapped turns his head to drop into his zone and before he can turn around the TE had the ball, a first down, and was in Gaines's face.

Absolute awful scheme.

Well maybe he should be doing more of that because he never met a play action he didn't bite on.