Defensive numbers this year….****

[Canesfan1899]

Defense was bad, no other thing needs to be said.

 

[Consigliere]

Some of this stuff is so stupid.

Use your **** eyes, you know what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The defense is not responsible for opposing special teams touchdowns and when the opposing defense scores. You know when a situation should be blamed on the defense and when it is not on the defense.

Example: Against UF, when UF blocked the punt and they got the ball on the Miami 9 yard line. Of course UF was going to score some points (3 or 7) after we allowed a punt block. This is somewhat understandable and expected.

You know when it is okay to tally stats and when they are irrelevant. The defense has sucked and was unable to do anything when it mattered (VT and Duke). You can complain about yards till your blue in the face.

Here is how I see it: The main goal of the defense is to limit points. If the defense can somehow score (TD or Safety) then net out the points from what they let up. Keep it simple.

Against FSU, VT and Duke 131 points (44 per game) were scored. All of which were scored on our defense. At the same time our defense did not score any points of their own to net them out. While it did not help that we turned the ball over so many times against VT (fumbles and the O'Donnell punt), the defense still allowed all of those points.

 

[Cane[]_[]DigIt]

It's a process

 

[Awsi Dooger]

with the same scheme With Vilma and Sean Taylor PITT doesn't score on that 45 yard run play they had for their 1st TD. At best it's a 3 yard gain.
Disagree?

Vilma might hold that run to 3 yards. Taylor certainly wouldn't have anything to do with it in that range. He played 25 yards deep. That wasn't even an exaggeration. I'm glad some Canes fans aren't hesitant to point it out. The first time I saw that scheme in the opener against FAMU in 2002 I was going nuts. It was as if we were volunteering to play a man short. And it's the reason I think the comparisons of Taylor to Reed are comical. Reed late in his career made aggressive plays at the line of scrimmage. Taylor too often was used like Reed late in his Ravens career, hanging back and waiting for the deep greedy mistake, like Kaepernick made in the Super Bowl.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Valentine may be wising up...

@mattyports: Valentine said #Canes allowing 48 pts to Duke "made it look like they weren’t even trying ... It kind of knocked them down a step.”

Great post ******.

 

[AllAboutDaU]

I'm not moving the goal posts, I'm saying if you are going to compare 2012 to 2013 you have to do so on equal footing. If you want to compare conference play, that's fine, but you also have to compare them in light of the score and situation in each game.

In 2012 every game was a dogfight and the D was actively working to stop the other team. In 2013 Miami had comfortable leads late in three of their games, which put the defense in more of a prevent mode, which allowed long, meaningless drives.

Arent we always in prevent mode?

 

[TexasCane90]

We comin!!!

 

[theibisrules]

LMFAO

****...Ghandi is laughing LMAO

 

[sebastian91]

Some of this stuff is so stupid.

Use your **** eyes, you know what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. The defense is not responsible for opposing special teams touchdowns and when the opposing defense scores. You know when a situation should be blamed on the defense and when it is not on the defense.

Example: Against UF, when UF blocked the punt and they got the ball on the Miami 9 yard line. Of course UF was going to score some points (3 or 7) after we allowed a punt block. This is somewhat understandable and expected.

You know when it is okay to tally stats and when they are irrelevant. The defense has sucked and was unable to do anything when it mattered (VT and Duke). You can complain about yards till your blue in the face.

Here is how I see it: The main goal of the defense is to limit points. If the defense can somehow score (TD or Safety) then net out the points from what they let up. Keep it simple.

Against FSU, VT and Duke 131 points (44 per game) were scored. All of which were scored on our defense. At the same time our defense did not score any points of their own to net them out. While it did not help that we turned the ball over so many times against VT (fumbles and the O'Donnell punt), the defense still allowed all of those points.

You give porsters way too much credit for 'knowing'.

 

[Bigtip]

Matt Porter ‏@mattyports 7m
Writing about recruiting and the #Canes' front 7. How's this for a stat: UM allowed 240 YPG to SSU, FAU and USF. Vs. other 9 opponents ..Canes allowed 475 YPG, which would rank 110th nationally over a full season. UM was 120th in yards allowed last season (486).

yeah, if you exclude the same cupcakes that everyone plays we suck in comparison - that's an extremely stupid argument

Matt Porter ‏@mattyports 2m
In games against ACC opponents, #Canes went from second-to-last in total D (504.9) to last (481.9). Flip-flopped with Duke.

Miami also blew out 3 ACC opponents this year and gave up a great deal of yards in garbage time. Last year they didn't play in a single blowout and ran their regular defense the entire game.

Take away GaTech's garbage drive, UVA's 2 garbage drives, and Pitt's 1 garbage drive, and that lowers the defense down to around 440 yards per game. Not incredible, but certainly better than last year.

Is that you Dorito?

 

[Bigtip]

anyone making any kind of argument defending the defensive play is flat out laughable at this point. just pathetic. splitting hairs of whether the play was better than last year, which was the worst defense in school history. marinate on that

 

[eurocane]

anyone making any kind of argument defending the defensive play is flat out laughable at this point. just pathetic. splitting hairs of whether the play was better than last year, which was the worst defense in school history. marinate on that

TOTAL DEFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G
1. Virginia Tech 12 1245 1990 746 3235 4.3 20 269.6
2. Florida State 12 1416 1836 810 3252 4.0 16 271.0
3. Georgia Tech 12 1284 2922 765 4206 5.5 33 350.5
4. Clemson 12 1831 2379 849 4210 5.0 31 350.8
5. Maryland 12 1803 2589 878 4392 5.0 34 366.0
6. Wake Forest 12 1718 2676 878 4394 5.0 33 366.2
7. Syracuse 12 1659 2764 830 4423 5.3 39 368.6
8. Pitt 12 1922 2562 798 4484 5.6 37 373.7
9. Duke 12 2040 2702 890 4742 5.3 30 395.2
10. NC State 12 2162 2631 814 4793 5.9 45 399.4
11. Virginia 12 2048 2795 856 4843 5.7 47 403.6
12. North Carolina 12 2204 2688 921 4892 5.3 33 407.7
13. Miami 12 2188 2801 888 4989 5.6 38 415.8
14. Boston College 12 1839 3218 868 5057 5.8 40 421.4

Right!

Where is the improvement when you are second to last in total defense in the ACC with nearly all starters coming back from 2012?

 

[WhatTheHell]

Honestly, if you are still defending this defense or trying to spin anything that took place this season with them as a positive, you simply aren't an intelligent person and you need to accept this fact.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Honestly, if you are still defending this defense or trying to spin anything that took place this season with them as a positive, you simply aren't an intelligent person and you need to accept this fact.

having a good punter will help a Defense win the field position battle thus giving the opponents offense a better opportunity to rack up more yards. So really it was all O'donnell's fault

 

[DeadPoets]

It's not how much the coach knows, it's how much do his players know.

Just like Al Groh these 2 clowns have our guys thinking too much.

 

[AtrainCane]

anyone making any kind of argument defending the defensive play is flat out laughable at this point. just pathetic. splitting hairs of whether the play was better than last year, which was the worst defense in school history. marinate on that

TOTAL DEFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G
1. Virginia Tech 12 1245 1990 746 3235 4.3 20 269.6
2. Florida State 12 1416 1836 810 3252 4.0 16 271.0
3. Georgia Tech 12 1284 2922 765 4206 5.5 33 350.5
4. Clemson 12 1831 2379 849 4210 5.0 31 350.8
5. Maryland 12 1803 2589 878 4392 5.0 34 366.0
6. Wake Forest 12 1718 2676 878 4394 5.0 33 366.2
7. Syracuse 12 1659 2764 830 4423 5.3 39 368.6
8. Pitt 12 1922 2562 798 4484 5.6 37 373.7
9. Duke 12 2040 2702 890 4742 5.3 30 395.2
10. NC State 12 2162 2631 814 4793 5.9 45 399.4
11. Virginia 12 2048 2795 856 4843 5.7 47 403.6
12. North Carolina 12 2204 2688 921 4892 5.3 33 407.7
13. Miami 12 2188 2801 888 4989 5.6 38 415.8
14. Boston College 12 1839 3218 868 5057 5.8 40 421.4

Right!

Where is the improvement when you are second to last in total defense in the ACC with nearly all starters coming back from 2012?

To be fair, teams 1-12 have more defensive talent than we do.....:ibisroflmao: