DE/DT Daniel Carson update

[skeeter]

For years

Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction

That's nowhere near enough...Gotta kill the position like FSU,Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson do

Hopefully these DJ Johnson rumors are BS and he isn't transferring.

Christ. Our dt depth chart is just fine as long as we get 2 studs in here. Step off the ledge.

I'm not on the ledge...Just disappointed at a huge position of need. Agree to disagree

 

[orange&green84]

Any decent DT grad transfers from Mizzou who might want to finish up their playing days with Kool? That defense there is an abomination.

On 247 they show having 12 DTs on roster. That’s crazy.


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Nope. That's the way to do it if you run a 4-3. Gotta do what Jimmy did and recruit quality volume. You need 4 stud Dts to rotate, in ordermake a dominant 4-3.

The ones that don't work out get moved to offensive line. **** Kip Vickers made a great NFL career that way as a Guard for the Colts after he couldn't make it as a 4-3 DT for Jimmy.

We already have SIX stud DTs to rotate and looking for one more.

6 ain't enough, and stud is REALLY pushing it, **** a pulse is really pushing it for Fines.

Accidental downvote. I definitely agree with you.

 

[orange&green84]

For years

Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction

That's nowhere near enough...Gotta kill the position like FSU,Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson do

Hopefully these DJ Johnson rumors are BS and he isn't transferring.

Christ. Our dt depth chart is just fine as long as we get 2 studs in here. Step off the ledge.

So you admit it. Our depth isn't where it should be.

 

[brock]

You can’t say we don’t have dts on the roster and then when someone says a true freshman try and act like they don’t count either. It’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t with some of you. How can anyone complain with this class we are bringing in...

I don't count on a true fr dt, you'd be a fool to do that. If we were recruiting the position correctly we wouldn't be talking a true fr or juco. One true Fr dt doesn't fix the issue

Worked out for 5* Ed Oliver. People keep saying Nesta should be a 5* let him prove it.

If a five star goes to Houston he'll probably start , its Houston. Natty caliber teams dont rely on true fr to be a major contributor. That's what we're trying to be.

There is no rule that says national caliber teams can't rely on true freshman. This is plain retarded.

This, in fact each of the last 4 years there were multiple teams that had freshman olineman starting in playoff games including Washington, Bama, clemson last year and uga this year. **** miami was one game away too from the playoff with a freshman oline starter

 

[brock]

Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction

That's nowhere near enough...Gotta kill the position like FSU,Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson do

Hopefully these DJ Johnson rumors are BS and he isn't transferring.

Christ. Our dt depth chart is just fine as long as we get 2 studs in here. Step off the ledge.

So you admit it. Our depth isn't where it should be.

I’m not as concerned about the depth but do acknowledge the fact that we need another dt or 2 to go along with nesta in the class. Good thing there is a month until February signing day

 

[Odin]

YO Adrian let this dummies know what's up.We only need 1 DT in this class and have the best one in the nation coming in.And if he decides to not come it's even better because we really don't need him as we have 6 studs already on the team.These stupid dummies don't realize every single DT coached by Kool has made the NFL,most were 1st round draft picks.School these dummies Adrian,we really don't need another DT until the 2020 class as we have 6.let me repeat 6 STUDS already on the team.Fines and Martin about to take heads real soon too.

 

[orange&green84]

I don't count on a true fr dt, you'd be a fool to do that. If we were recruiting the position correctly we wouldn't be talking a true fr or juco. One true Fr dt doesn't fix the issue

Worked out for 5* Ed Oliver. People keep saying Nesta should be a 5* let him prove it.

If a five star goes to Houston he'll probably start , its Houston. Natty caliber teams dont rely on true fr to be a major contributor. That's what we're trying to be.

There is no rule that says national caliber teams can't rely on true freshman. This is plain retarded.

This, in fact each of the last 4 years there were multiple teams that had freshman olineman starting in playoff games including Washington, Bama, clemson last year and uga this year. **** miami was one game away too from the playoff with a freshman oline starter

Donaldson's not your typical freshman. So stop right there.

And what's the point in saying that Miami was one game away from the playoff? Sure, as long as we beat Clemson we would've been in.

That game was a litmus test in what's needed to improve with this team. I'll give you a hint, it was in the trenches on both sides of the ball along with QB play to start.

 

[orange&green84]

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction

That's nowhere near enough...Gotta kill the position like FSU,Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson do

Hopefully these DJ Johnson rumors are BS and he isn't transferring.

Christ. Our dt depth chart is just fine as long as we get 2 studs in here. Step off the ledge.

So you admit it. Our depth isn't where it should be.

I’m not as concerned about the depth but do acknowledge the fact that we need another dt or 2 to go along with nesta in the class. Good thing there is a month until February signing day

Finally

 

[orange&green84]

YO Adrian let this dummies know what's up.We only need 1 DT in this class and have the best one in the nation coming in.And if he decides to not come it's even better because we really don't need him as we have 6 studs already on the team.These stupid dummies don't realize every single DT coached by Kool has made the NFL,most were 1st round draft picks.School these dummies Adrian,we really don't need another DT until the 2020 class as we have 6.let me repeat 6 STUDS already on the team.Fines and Martin about to take heads real soon too.

Love your sarcasm.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Glad I’m not the only who thinks this a issue

 

[westcoastcanes]

For years

Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction

Bethel wasn't a 4 star dt

He definitely was a 4star
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That says de. He wasn't a 4 star dt.

He was graded and evaluated at another position.

Like I said , "he wasn't a 4 star dt"

It was very apparent he would grow into a dt in a college strength program, same thing for Briggs imo

Yep. But don't even bother any more. This fanbase is stupid af. This is the most proven assistant coach in the country and this dumb fanbase wants to shi$ on him for the mist idiotic reasons. This guy turns western Kentucky talent into nfl prospects and these fans have already relegated guys like Martin and fines into the scrap heap.

Yeah I’m done, people stuck on that woe it’s me bullsh*t all the time . Done with this thread

LMFAO pick up a book kid.

 

[AdrianP]

Yes, but golden actually left us with great depth (Mcintosh/Norton/Jenkins/Willis/Moten) and now we’re back to 2013/2014 levels

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction

That's nowhere near enough...Gotta kill the position like FSU,Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson do

Hopefully these DJ Johnson rumors are BS and he isn't transferring.

Christ. Our dt depth chart is just fine as long as we get 2 studs in here. Step off the ledge.

So you admit it. Our depth isn't where it should be.

Our depth chart is exactly where it should be. 6 studs with one more spot for Carson, Briggs, chatman, Thompson or another hidden gem we don't know about. Of course we need 2 kids now that rj and Norton have blown up and are leaving early, but we sure as **** ain't hurting for QUALITY. Kul likes to rotate 4 so we should have at least 7 in the roster in case of injury.

The problem is that dummies have already discounted Martin and fines even though kul made a living turning western Kentucky kids into nfl prospects.

Willis
Bethel
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
Carson
That's 7 potential nfl draft picks right there.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Sure
5star Willis
4 star bethel
3star jon ford
4 star silvera
Are all scrubs I guess.... my god at the overreaction

That's nowhere near enough...Gotta kill the position like FSU,Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson do

Hopefully these DJ Johnson rumors are BS and he isn't transferring.

Christ. Our dt depth chart is just fine as long as we get 2 studs in here. Step off the ledge.

So you admit it. Our depth isn't where it should be.

Our depth chart is exactly where it should be. 6 studs with one more spot for Carson, Briggs, chatman, Thompson or another hidden gem we don't know about. Of course we need 2 kids now that rj and Norton have blown up and are leaving early, but we sure as **** ain't hurting for QUALITY. Kul likes to rotate 4 so we should have at least 7 in the roster in case of injury.

The problem is that dummies have already discounted Martin and fines even though kul made a living turning western Kentucky kids into nfl prospects.

Willis
Bethel
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
Carson
That's 7 potential nfl draft picks right there.

When did Carson commit?

 

[Astcloud11]

You can’t say we don’t have dts on the roster and then when someone says a true freshman try and act like they don’t count either. It’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t with some of you. How can anyone complain with this class we are bringing in...

I don't count on a true fr dt, you'd be a fool to do that. If we were recruiting the position correctly we wouldn't be talking a true fr or juco. One true Fr dt doesn't fix the issue

Worked out for 5* Ed Oliver. People keep saying Nesta should be a 5* let him prove it.

If a five star goes to Houston he'll probably start , its Houston. Natty caliber teams dont rely on true fr to be a major contributor. That's what we're trying to be.

There is no rule that says national caliber teams can't rely on true freshman. This is plain retarded.

Didn't Bama take a true freshman Jalen Hurts to the championship?

 

[Calinative]

Im not getting all the drama over our DT depth tbh. I mean yeah losing Norton and McIntosh would really suck, but we really are going to be perfectly good at the 3tech DT spot. The more questionable spot is the 1tech DT role.

But for next year I think Jon Ford will step up in that 1tech role, and get heavy PT there. And Nesta is also great build for that 1tech role as well, and Nesta is an absolute savage. I don't expect Nesta to ball as a freshman, but I do expect him to earn some playing time, probably more than Ford did this yr. And at 3tech there is absolutely nothing to worry about at all. We have Willis and Bethel, and on passing downs DJ Johnson and Demetrius Jackson will slide down there.

And **** who knows maybe Tyreic Martin and Ryan Fines will improve enough in the weight room and **** to make an impact.

And if we get Goldwire and Carson to pair with Nesta in this class, I'm happy with it. We will need another 2-3 DTs in 2019, but thats to be dealt with next year.

 

[MIA42178]

That's nowhere near enough...Gotta kill the position like FSU,Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson do

Hopefully these DJ Johnson rumors are BS and he isn't transferring.

Christ. Our dt depth chart is just fine as long as we get 2 studs in here. Step off the ledge.

So you admit it. Our depth isn't where it should be.

Our depth chart is exactly where it should be. 6 studs with one more spot for Carson, Briggs, chatman, Thompson or another hidden gem we don't know about. Of course we need 2 kids now that rj and Norton have blown up and are leaving early, but we sure as **** ain't hurting for QUALITY. Kul likes to rotate 4 so we should have at least 7 in the roster in case of injury.

The problem is that dummies have already discounted Martin and fines even though kul made a living turning western Kentucky kids into nfl prospects.

Willis
Bethel
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
Carson
That's 7 potential nfl draft picks right there.

When did Carson commit?

He didn’t.

But sort of on topic, are forgetting Briggs or is our staff scared of a recruiting battle w Willie Vanillie’s staff?

 

[Loose Cannon]

That's nowhere near enough...Gotta kill the position like FSU,Bama, OSU, LSU, Clemson do

Hopefully these DJ Johnson rumors are BS and he isn't transferring.

Christ. Our dt depth chart is just fine as long as we get 2 studs in here. Step off the ledge.

So you admit it. Our depth isn't where it should be.

Our depth chart is exactly where it should be. 6 studs with one more spot for Carson, Briggs, chatman, Thompson or another hidden gem we don't know about. Of course we need 2 kids now that rj and Norton have blown up and are leaving early, but we sure as **** ain't hurting for QUALITY. Kul likes to rotate 4 so we should have at least 7 in the roster in case of injury.

The problem is that dummies have already discounted Martin and fines even though kul made a living turning western Kentucky kids into nfl prospects.

Willis
Bethel
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
Carson
That's 7 potential nfl draft picks right there.

When did Carson commit?

When did Norton and RJ declare for the draft?

That's the part people keep overlooking. As it stands right now, we have 8 DT's. We are just assuming that two of them are leaving. Norton is rated to be the 16th best DT who will be eligible for this year's draft. RJ is not listed among the top 25 draft eligible DTs on any analysis I've seen. Some of y'all need to come to grips with the fact that 23 total tackles and 2 sacks isn't exactly the kind of season that propels a kid to the NFL. That's Kendrick Norton's numbers this season. RJ had an 11 tackle game against 1-8 UNC, but his stats are as average as Norton's outside of that. 2.5 sacks? Most of his tackles are clean-up/assists? Yeah he was disruptive as **** in the ND game but he only logged 5 tackles and 0 sacks.

We, as people who scrutinize every play of every game, know these players are better than their numbers. They have flashed a potential that has convinced us that they can be great and they can help us achieve great things. But they are not there yet. If they choose to leave now, they may be drafted. They may make their way through camps, and they may earn a roster spot. But this is all a gamble. 23 tackles and 2 sacks is not going to turn many heads. RJ's athleticism is going to raise some eyebrows at the combine, but how much is that worth. He's not even among the top 25 DT's. If he blows up the combine and get's up to the 20-22 range, that's about a 5-7 grade. And if he has a bad day? Ask him if he knows Joe Yearby.

Don't get me wrong. Our guys are great. I'd rather have them than just about any DT combo in the country. But the secondary was weak this season. You can't get much production from the D-Line when every scrub *** QB is hitting 75% of his passes running quick ins and outs. The LB corps took a step back in gap discipline. 80% of the tackles made by a DT should be because the ball carrier had nowhere else to go. Nobody runs straight to the biggest dude on the defense on purpose. The idea is to run around those big uglies and find gaps. I think with better DB play--which the 2018 class promises to deliver, and better LB play--Shaq, Pink, and McCloud can only get better, our DTs will actually have time to do their jobs on the elite level they are capable of.

Both Norton and RJ would be making colossal mistakes to declare early based on the info I've seen. Yes, that hasn't seemed to be enough to stop anyone recently, and this situation is as fluid as any. They may blow up on 12/30, injuries may happen, other guys rated ahead of them may decide to stay in college one more year. But right now, as it stands, potential recruits have to look at us as a team with 2 solid starters at DT, with 2 experienced rotational guys, a 5* on the bench, last year's best S.FLa DT prospect, and this year's best S.FLa DT prospect.

 

[Cribby]

I don't count on a true fr dt, you'd be a fool to do that. If we were recruiting the position correctly we wouldn't be talking a true fr or juco. One true Fr dt doesn't fix the issue

Worked out for 5* Ed Oliver. People keep saying Nesta should be a 5* let him prove it.

If a five star goes to Houston he'll probably start , its Houston. Natty caliber teams dont rely on true fr to be a major contributor. That's what we're trying to be.

There is no rule that says national caliber teams can't rely on true freshman. This is plain retarded.

Didn't Bama take a true freshman Jalen Hurts to the championship?

Jesus dude, we're talking dt. This whole thread is talking talking about relying on true Fr playing at a grown man position. And even if we were talking qb, they won in spite of him.

But let's get back to talking dt.

 

[AUcane]

People here expecting a true freshman DT to be a difference maker must not watch cfb very closely. I’d argue that it is the toughest position from a physical perspective to make an impact as a true freshman. For every ed Oliver there are 100s of guys thar don’t make a splash as true freshmen

 

[Cribby]

You can’t say we don’t have dts on the roster and then when someone says a true freshman try and act like they don’t count either. It’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t with some of you. How can anyone complain with this class we are bringing in...

I don't count on a true fr dt, you'd be a fool to do that. If we were recruiting the position correctly we wouldn't be talking a true fr or juco. One true Fr dt doesn't fix the issue

Worked out for 5* Ed Oliver. People keep saying Nesta should be a 5* let him prove it.

If a five star goes to Houston he'll probably start , its Houston. Natty caliber teams dont rely on true fr to be a major contributor. That's what we're trying to be.

There is no rule that says national caliber teams can't rely on true freshman. This is plain retarded.

Once again your dumb a$$ can't read and ironically calling someone else " retarded". For the tenth time , you don't want to depend on true Fr dt playing a major role on a team . Championship teams have hosses that's been in the program a couple years, quality depth. Nobody said a true Fr can't get burn .

I don't even know why I've wasted so much time on an idiotic troll.