Day 3 Spring Practice Discussion (Photo's,Video's, Reports)

[motorcitycane]

But better routes than mike wallace. Coley is going over the middle

 

[Ethnicsands]

I said it when we were recruiting him. Coley will be as good as he wants to be. He's one of those unique types of talents who can do whatever he wants out there. Questions on him are all related to his mental approach. If he conquers those mental hurdles and studies hard and practices hard he will leave here an all-world player. If he doesn't get that mental part down, he could leave here like Fred Louse left fsu.

At this level, you can have all the talent in the world, but if the corches don't trust you enough that you'll run the right routes when they put you on the field, then you won't get on the field. Look at a guy like Lockhart last year. That dude is a superstar talent, but he couldn't get the mental part down until the end of the season, and even then, he wasn't prepared to run anything but fades.

Mostly agree with this but two comments -- i dont claim to know whether coley comes with attitude or mentality issues or not. I know what i've seen from him woth my eyes, but just cant and wont judge him in terms of whether he's ready to hit the foed like lewis or duke, or not. I acknowledged above that's a question. I just dont profess to know the aswer and dont think its fair to him to assume he's less ready than those guys. Not saying you are, just noting the point. Secondly, and to quibble, i never thought fred rouse was all that good, even when he was hyped coming out. Coley is a rare talent physically. Very much a better prosect than rouse. IMO.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I don't think Coley breaks the Top 4. Would love it if he did, but I think he'll get relatively limited looks, if at all (and mostly toward the end of the year). It has nothing to do with Coley's ability or future production. I just think he has a giant mountain to climb in terms of alternatives.

Sandland's [vertical] addition may play a big role, too.

Sandland is going to be the perfect player to help out the deep passing game. Teams won't be able to cheat their safeties deep like they did in the latter half of the season because you'll have Sandland running C2 buster routes and putting a ton of pressure on the middle linebacker and safeties on Cover 2s and even Cover 3s when the MLB has to cover the SS Curl. Throwing the SS Curl isn't exactly Morris' forte...but alas...

My expectations for Sandland appear to be much different than most of the board. I expect Walford, not Sandland, to be the tight end that really threatens the defense. I expect Sandland to complement Walford's ability to get downfield with his physical play and surehandedness, especially on third down.

I have to see it first here against this competition and then live, but I've never seen Walford do what Sandland showed in his highlights he's capable of doing. And, I'm a Walford fan who thought Stephen Morris was holding him back somewhat.

With Lu on this.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I don't think Coley breaks the Top 4. Would love it if he did, but I think he'll get relatively limited looks, if at all (and mostly toward the end of the year). It has nothing to do with Coley's ability or future production. I just think he has a giant mountain to climb in terms of alternatives.

Sandland's [vertical] addition may play a big role, too.

As much as i like the alternatives, i dont think they're the impediment with coley. It's the man in the mirror for him. He's athletically superior to our other WRs, IMO. Maybe not yet physically developed, but in terms of explosiveness, cuts, breaks, body use and just getting hands on the ball, i dont think we have anyone who is at his level. So i think he *can* get his looks and earn real starter time this year. Whether he will depends on his attitude, mentality and that stuff.

 

[Ethnicsands]

So, uh. Why were Scrontavaiatrous Carter and Demafacturatrix Jones listed as standouts earlier in this thread?

Not hating. Very curious, and hopeful. If those two dudes turn into players...

...COT DAM @ this offense.

Why did anyone think those guys were incapable of succeeding here?

You say that like there werent all the usual things to consider. People yap about 'stars,' But there's plenty more than that available for those who want to find it. Physical attributes, skill level in HS, outcome against other top kids at camps (or lack thereof), reports from HS rcruiting analysts and other HS corches, game tape, interest from other legit schools (or lack thereof), whether our own staff targeted them early, etc.

In thruth, Jones and Carter were pretty out of the blue, so there wasn't a lot for our own staff to go on with these partcular kids, amd there was much less for fans to base a view on than is normally the case -- which in and of itself is a datapoint. Personally i liked Jones tape in terms of going up and getting after the ball, but he was wiry thin, not so tall that that was a huge advantage, and not that fast. Some folks who tend to know what they are talking about viewed him as soft, and not a D1 kid. Carter struct me as 100% a project -- solid frame, reasonable athlete, but who knows and little to go on. Just given the odds, kids like that often struggle to see the field -- particularly when they come in at WR in a class that included Lewis, Lockhart and Waters (and AJL originally). That's just math.

I guess i dont get the attitude that sees all kids as equally inscrutable before they arrive on campus. I'm not saying you're saying this but others have come close at times. Why pay attention to recruiting if that's the case?

I'll leave the judgments after 1 year in the program to others. It's too early for me.

The question i responded to seems to be past tense -- not why does anyone think, but why did. I took it to mean looking back to when they got here.

Not sure if you're saying you dont form views of guys as recruits, or just that you don't share them. You seem to have a view on coley that you share above that he's not mentally ready like malcolm lewis was, and while i might agree with you there, it's a clear example of a view based on a kid's body of work before getting to UM.

I think there's a difference between having a view on recruits, and writing a kid off after a year on campus. The former is what allows us to discuss recruiting. The latter is just unnecessary.

 

[The Franchise]

I said it when we were recruiting him. Coley will be as good as he wants to be. He's one of those unique types of talents who can do whatever he wants out there. Questions on him are all related to his mental approach. If he conquers those mental hurdles and studies hard and practices hard he will leave here an all-world player. If he doesn't get that mental part down, he could leave here like Fred Louse left fsu.

At this level, you can have all the talent in the world, but if the corches don't trust you enough that you'll run the right routes when they put you on the field, then you won't get on the field. Look at a guy like Lockhart last year. That dude is a superstar talent, but he couldn't get the mental part down until the end of the season, and even then, he wasn't prepared to run anything but fades.

Mostly agree with this but two comments -- i dont claim to know whether coley comes with attitude or mentality issues or not. I know what i've seen from him woth my eyes, but just cant and wont judge him in terms of whether he's ready to hit the foed like lewis or duke, or not. I acknowledged above that's a question. I just dont profess to know the aswer and dont think its fair to him to assume he's less ready than those guys. Not saying you are, just noting the point. Secondly, and to quibble, i never thought fred rouse was all that good, even when he was hyped coming out. Coley is a rare talent physically. Very much a better prosect than rouse. IMO.

Only reason we weren't on Coley hard from the beginning is because of off field stuff. Obviously, it had nothing to do with talent. Anyone can see that. So, I think the questions about him off the field are legit.

As for Rouse, I'm not saying they're equal talents. However, Rouse was probably higher rated and slightly more hyped. The parallel is not necessarily the level of talent as much as it is the potentiality of off field issues derailing a young talented and hyped WR's career.

 

[NotoriousJJE]

The best thing about all of this, is that Herb Waters says hi.

I think he's gonna be our outside guy...

 

[Ethnicsands]

I said it when we were recruiting him. Coley will be as good as he wants to be. He's one of those unique types of talents who can do whatever he wants out there. Questions on him are all related to his mental approach. If he conquers those mental hurdles and studies hard and practices hard he will leave here an all-world player. If he doesn't get that mental part down, he could leave here like Fred Louse left fsu.

At this level, you can have all the talent in the world, but if the corches don't trust you enough that you'll run the right routes when they put you on the field, then you won't get on the field. Look at a guy like Lockhart last year. That dude is a superstar talent, but he couldn't get the mental part down until the end of the season, and even then, he wasn't prepared to run anything but fades.

Mostly agree with this but two comments -- i dont claim to know whether coley comes with attitude or mentality issues or not. I know what i've seen from him woth my eyes, but just cant and wont judge him in terms of whether he's ready to hit the foed like lewis or duke, or not. I acknowledged above that's a question. I just dont profess to know the aswer and dont think its fair to him to assume he's less ready than those guys. Not saying you are, just noting the point. Secondly, and to quibble, i never thought fred rouse was all that good, even when he was hyped coming out. Coley is a rare talent physically. Very much a better prosect than rouse. IMO.

Only reason we weren't on Coley hard from the beginning is because of off field stuff. Obviously, it had nothing to do with talent. Anyone can see that. So, I think the questions about him off the field are legit.

As for Rouse, I'm not saying they're equal talents. However, Rouse was probably higher rated and slightly more hyped. The parallel is not necessarily the level of talent as much as it is the potentiality of off field issues derailing a young talented and hyped WR's career.

You're probably right but the staff doesnt talk about the kids they recruit so we dont really know the issues they *may* have had with coley. I dont mind the assumption, but then i dont mind making a call on a recruit's potential based on what i've seen, read, heard during recruiting.

As for Rouse, agree he was more hyped. Maybe it was just me but i never thought that dude looked all that good as a prospect. Another example of stars being off.

In terms of whether there's similarity in attitude issues, i don't know that. There's a lot that gets grouped into that bucket. Grades, maturity, work ethic, character. Bad character isnt fixible, IMO. But the other items probably are, at least some of the time.

 

[LuCane]

I don't think Coley breaks the Top 4. Would love it if he did, but I think he'll get relatively limited looks, if at all (and mostly toward the end of the year). It has nothing to do with Coley's ability or future production. I just think he has a giant mountain to climb in terms of alternatives.

Sandland's [vertical] addition may play a big role, too.

As much as i like the alternatives, i dont think they're the impediment with coley. It's the man in the mirror for him. He's athletically superior to our other WRs, IMO. Maybe not yet physically developed, but in terms of explosiveness, cuts, breaks, body use and just getting hands on the ball, i dont think we have anyone who is at his level. So i think he *can* get his looks and earn real starter time this year. Whether he will depends on his attitude, mentality and that stuff.

It's more about how the alternatives either all "buy in" to the system or are part of the system already. That's what Coley has to climb. There isn't a WR on the roster as talented as Coley.

 

[Picksix]

I think people are forgetting a few parts to this equation when talking about Coley. Yes, he's an all world WR that can be as good as he wants to be but does he have the attitude to bring it? Having said that let's not forget that Al Golden has a masters in sports psychology and knows how to deal with these types of athletes. Let's also not forget that the entire culture of the Miami football program has been evolving for 3 years now under Golden. It's not like Coley is walking into a cluster fock. This team is focused and motivated and Golden is a master when it comes to organization and attention to detail.

I expect Coley to be ready to go the minute he steps foot on campus. That boy is going to kill it in this offense...

 

[jmbflame21]

Stacy Coley= Reggie Wayne

 

[DiegoCane]

I expect Coley to have a Rashad Greene type of freshman season. Around 600 yards with 6-8 TDs. IMO, their games are similar but Coley is a notch better and comes in with a better QB. While WR is the deepest unit on the team, Coley is just another level above the rest of the guys on the roster.

The big ?? is his mental game. He could be a Fred Rouse.

He's a lot more than a notch better than Rashad Greene. But he might not put up 600 yards this year because there are so many receivers on this team.

+1.

We are pretty stacked at WR. Dorsett, Scott, Hurns, Lewis, Waters have all shown they can play on this level. Is Lockhart going to have to RS or will he be ready? Then there is Jones and Carter too. That's a lot of guys to pass in a short time.