Cristobal assesses team progress after Saturday scrimmage

[hoops156]

I get it but I don’t. No doubt we’ll have a better roster under Mario. No doubt there was a culture issue. But in year 1, Mario - particularly on offense - opted to go the Morehead style route as opposed to the Lashlee style route. He didn’t make the most of what he had by his own choice. Guaranteed Manny with the staff he had wins more games last year than Mario did. Your point that Manny was a bad example because of FIU and such doesn’t change that because I’m not defending him being good, I’m just saying that he did better with the same players than the current guy.

I get that you think Mario gets a pass for that but I don’t agree on a pass to the level of disaster we saw last year.

tbf, many lost to flu in yr 1 as a hc. Mario got blown out by mtsu in year 10

 

[305407cane]

Smith walks into a starting spot next year and trader makes noise. We need to sell this

 

[grover]

I get it but I don’t. No doubt we’ll have a better roster under Mario. No doubt there was a culture issue. But in year 1, Mario - particularly on offense - opted to go the Morehead style route as opposed to the Lashlee style route. He didn’t make the most of what he had by his own choice. Guaranteed Manny with the staff he had wins more games last year than Mario did. Your point that Manny was a bad example because of FIU and such doesn’t change that because I’m not defending him being good, I’m just saying that he did better with the same players than the current guy.

I get that you think Mario gets a pass for that but I don’t agree on a pass to the level of disaster we saw last year.

Fair enough RVA. I think everyone acknowledges Mario f-ed up by taking too long to find his coordinators and staff, which despite being national brand names, then went on to light a dumpster fire that dramatically underperformed our worst expectations. Mario then took too long to replace those coordinators when it was clear he was planning to do so. which hurt our ability to bring in some of the early WRs and others hitting the portal, maybe even to land another couple class of 2023 guys.

But you also have to concede that he did make the tough staff changes needed. And the guys he brought in seem to be much better fits to what we all want. I'm personally a bigtime Guidry fan, A hire IMHO. Dawson I don't know. I can't see him delivering the F grade performance we got out of Gattis or the D grade we got out of Enos. But can't tell if he's a and A, B or C grade just yet.

You also have to concede the roster is better than it was a year ago. The guys we lost to the portal, graduation or the NFL are not as good as the new guys we've brought in. The 2022 class seems to be converting better than previous recruiting classes. And the 2023 early matriculation guys that are on campus are already impressing, and the guys that come in the Fall should contribute even more.

So it's a rebuild that's in process. Maybe not as fast as we all expect given Mario's $8M+ annual salary and the improved investments across the program. But it is definitely happening.

Personally, I think Mario can find enough additional talent in the portal to get us to above 8 wins in 2023. But they're not on roster today, and until they are, better to tamper expectations.

 

[JHallCanes]

Smith walks into a starting spot next year and trader makes noise. We need to sell this

Fortunately these days I do not worry about our recruiters and their pitches

 

[Angry Ibis]

tbf, many lost to flu in yr 1 as a hc. Mario got blown out by mtsu in year 10

The difference is simple:

Manny: hated

Mario: loved

Many hated the Manny hire, not only because he was inexperienced and would likely suck, but more so because it took the job from Butch or Mario… and here we are…. They got their guy and now changed the rules…

 

[JHallCanes]

The difference is simple:

Manny: hated

Mario: loved

Many hated the Manny hire, not only because he was inexperienced and would likely suck, but more so because it took the job from Butch or Mario… and here we are…. They got their guy and now changed the rules…

I dunno brother I remember Mario being pretty well disliked around here back then. Some people always had a thing for him but most people were like **** no. The time at Oregon softened a lot of stances

Then again the Manny situation was so bad we didn’t even have time to hope for anyone else really

 

[Lance Roffers]

Are the transfer WRs really trolling us?

The past two years support staff has thought they’ve had five transfer WR’s locked up. None have ended up at Miami after they took Miami’s offer and renegotiated with their current teams, or got bigger offers elsewhere, or just used it to drum up interest.

The Mizzou kid who transferred to Georgia acted interested and then wasn’t. There’s a Kentucky transfer WR who did the same.

Bryant is one of the kids support thought was locked up on his visit and then he wasn’t.

Maybe trolled isn’t the perfect word in a quick post I made full of news drops I have heard. Maybe tease or fish that get off the hook etc.

Bottom line is Miami has attempted to land probably a dozen portal WR’s under Mario and the one they landed was a guy I’ve said publicly since high school I wouldn’t take because he can’t play.

This is coming from a Mario supporter. I’ve convinced he will win here. Probably not a national title (my suspicion is Miami never wins another one), but definitely a NY6 bowl six out of ten years type program.

 

[Mackmiller974]

The past two years support staff has thought they’ve had five transfer WR’s locked up. None have ended up at Miami after they took Miami’s offer and renegotiated with their current teams, or got bigger offers elsewhere, or just used it to drum up interest.

The Mizzou kid who transferred to Georgia acted interested and then wasn’t. There’s a Kentucky transfer WR who did the same.

Bryant is one of the kids support thought was locked up on his visit and then he wasn’t.

Maybe trolled isn’t the perfect word in a quick post I made full of news drops I have heard. Maybe tease or fish that get off the hook etc.

Bottom line is Miami has attempted to land probably a dozen portal WR’s under Mario and the one they landed was a guy I’ve said publicly since high school I wouldn’t take because he can’t play.

This is coming from a Mario supporter. I’ve convinced he will win here. Probably not a national title (my suspicion is Miami never wins another one), but definitely a NY6 bowl six out of ten years type program.

Any news on the D2 WR?

 

[dk72]

I think the main concern is depth. I don't think we ever had a season where an OL didn't get hurt. Last year we had atleast 3 starters get hurt at difveraferent times on the OL. We have 1 outside Wr in Young and 1 change of pace RB in Parrish along with Chaney whose next challenge is to prove he can make it through summer and fall camp healthy.

Oh, I agree, depth is still a major issue. But we did improve on some serious deficiencies in starting talent (the OL itself should improve TVDs performance and the RBs), and in coaches and scheme to fit that talent. We are still a rebuild, but last year we were a complete disaster all around. Injuries will be a key again, but I see 7-9 wins depending on the injury situation, compared to last years 5.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Any news on the D2 WR?

Jesus Christ

 

[Angry Ibis]

I dunno brother I remember Mario being pretty well disliked around here back then. Some people always had a thing for him but most people were like **** no. The time at Oregon softened a lot of stances

Then again the Manny situation was so bad we didn’t even have time to hope for anyone else really

Definitely a lot of concern around Mario at some point in the past, and I’m mostly just busting balls, but the rules have certainly changed with Mario…

 

[Angry Ibis]

The past two years support staff has thought they’ve had five transfer WR’s locked up. None have ended up at Miami after they took Miami’s offer and renegotiated with their current teams, or got bigger offers elsewhere, or just used it to drum up interest.

The Mizzou kid who transferred to Georgia acted interested and then wasn’t. There’s a Kentucky transfer WR who did the same.

Bryant is one of the kids support thought was locked up on his visit and then he wasn’t.

Maybe trolled isn’t the perfect word in a quick post I made full of news drops I have heard. Maybe tease or fish that get off the hook etc.

Bottom line is Miami has attempted to land probably a dozen portal WR’s under Mario and the one they landed was a guy I’ve said publicly since high school I wouldn’t take because he can’t play.

This is coming from a Mario supporter. I’ve convinced he will win here. Probably not a national title (my suspicion is Miami never wins another one), but definitely a NY6 bowl six out of ten years type program.

Any thoughts on why they aren’t coming to Miami?

 

[Rickd]

Any thoughts on why they aren’t coming to Miami?

Are you serious? Look at Miami's 2022 offensive production and WR productivity. That is the only thing that needs to change. If Dawson gets it done Mario will be able to snag 4+ WR's that are legit.

 

[Ajcane8]

FSU is an interesting comparison. I'm trying to remember when FSU had multiple top 10 classes in the last 4 years as I'm told thats a pre-requisite for winning 10 games. Or maybe while UM fans were mocking Norvell, he was building a strong culture in Tallahassee and we didn't notice it.

Funny, because that is exactly what fsu people (****, most commenters on this site - ie you) are doing right now with Cristobal.

It's not like 70% of the roster has had to be turned over (to date) in 1.5 off-seasons, or anything crazy. I guess it's OK for the nole to have two under .500 seasons in his quest to "build a strong culture"... and be praised for it - but here, naw, throw that crying baby corch out with the tepid 5-7 bathwater.

 

[YUMU]

The past two years support staff has thought they’ve had five transfer WR’s locked up. None have ended up at Miami after they took Miami’s offer and renegotiated with their current teams, or got bigger offers elsewhere, or just used it to drum up interest.

The Mizzou kid who transferred to Georgia acted interested and then wasn’t. There’s a Kentucky transfer WR who did the same.

Bryant is one of the kids support thought was locked up on his visit and then he wasn’t.

Maybe trolled isn’t the perfect word in a quick post I made full of news drops I have heard. Maybe tease or fish that get off the hook etc.

Bottom line is Miami has attempted to land probably a dozen portal WR’s under Mario and the one they landed was a guy I’ve said publicly since high school I wouldn’t take because he can’t play.

This is coming from a Mario supporter. I’ve convinced he will win here. Probably not a national title (my suspicion is Miami never wins another one), but definitely a NY6 bowl six out of ten years type program.

This is some depressing stuff right here **** it .. specially coming from a very knowledgeable person like you.

 

[Scorpioncane]

Great interview and very promising young man, but at 3:55 he didn't come across well...

Even if he didn't the answer it well at (3:55) he cleaned it up at the end! because if cam had Tom's work ethic and mentality he would be in the league and not practicing at Auburn trying to get another chance.

 

[Squid Bumciorek]

Funny, because that is exactly what fsu people (****, most commenters on this site - ie you) are doing right now with Cristobal.

It's not like 70% of the roster has had to be turned over (to date) in 1.5 off-seasons, or anything crazy. I guess it's OK for the nole to have two under .500 seasons in his quest to "build a strong culture"... and be praised for it - but here, naw, throw that crying baby corch out with the tepid 5-7 bathwater.

Do you think Cristobal is facing a much tougher task with UMs roster than Norvell did with FSU’s? If so, then do you believe that UM fans should passively accept another two sub .500 seasons and not expect a 10 win season until year 4?

 

[Scorpioncane]

We are playing walk-ons at DT in scrimmages. That’s how thin we are right now.

There is one unit on this team that’s NY6 Bowl game worthy. That’s at OL, which is where you’d expect Mario to be able to impact the most.

CB might not be bowl-worthy today. DJ Ivey started from jump last year and there isn’t anyone at this point who has played better than he did. Ivey wasn’t our best CB last year and that player is ALSO gone.

The defensive scheme that Guidry wants to play relies on smart, sticky CB’s. We don’t have that. They NEED a portal CB who is all-conference level. It doesn’t matter the price, you have to pay it.

At LB, Flagg is still starting a lot of snaps in spring. Wesley isn’t even the 2 a lot of times right now. It’s fair to be a bit disappointed in him to this point.

Edge looks to be solid if everyone is healthy, but it’s thin of P5 level performers at the moment.

WR is as bad as you can imagine Miami being and are currently getting trolled by all the legit ones in the portal.

RB needs a legit horse.

The biggest issue with a rebuild isn’t that you need a recruiting class or two to get the talent up, the problem is that once you’ve gotten those two recruiting classes, all of the really good players you had when the rebuild started are now gone. That means you’re relying on the two recruiting classes, but now all your good players are young. So you really need four recruiting classes to get things balanced and aged at the same time.

With Miami being in year two of the rebuild, it’s exactly as Cribby is talking about: thin.

If injuries stay away, this team can win nine. If injuries hit hard, they could miss a bowl game.

Most likely it ends somewhere in-between.

I agree with most of your post! But, you gave all of our issues then said if we stay injury free we could win 9 games. So that means you like our starters just not the backups correct? Since your post is about depth?

 

[Ajcane8]

Massive difference.

That was year 3(?) of the Manny tenure.
With a defensive system that was in place for years.
And a roster full of kids that HE KNEW, HE RECRUITED and HE DEVELOPED.

Meaning - by that time in his tenure - he shouldn't be losing to a college football team in Doral.

Take those same sorry a$$ players...plug in a completely new staff...a completely new offense...a completely new defense...and a completely new culture (that Manny's kids weren't buying into)...

And that's how get bad results in year one.



I don't think the majority of you guys understand how long it takes to turn a program around, especially one with a culture as bad as Miami's was.
It's not plug-n-play.




Those DB's who were getting smoked by MTSU WR's were DB's that Manny developed. That ain't freakin' Mario's fault. LOL

*Sweetwater

Besides that, spot on.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

The difference is simple:

Manny: hated

Mario: loved

Many hated the Manny hire, not only because he was inexperienced and would likely suck, but more so because it took the job from Butch or Mario… and here we are…. They got their guy and now changed the rules…

Nah, Mario gets a ton of blame and rightfully so. It’s what people blame him for that’s so backwards and creates friction.

QB recruiting? Yup. ******** up the first round of staff hires? Absolutely. Micromanaging and being overly meticulous in the hiring process? Sure.

The roster being a disaster? Lol stop playing, that’s all Manny’s fault and anyone that thinks it can be fixed in 1 recruiting class…seek help.