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Are Mario and mirabal good o line coaches?

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CorniceCane said:
i feel like I am talking to my kids when they were 3. You are making my exact point and are now focusing on bending the conversation. To answer your question, NOTHING. But it is the reason that you are trying to make this silly argument. If we won yesterday, are we even hearing from you with regards to this incorrect point?

The OLine is solid. That group is technically coached by ALEX MIRABAL. This is the argument that you were initially making, that the group is poorly coached. Now to your current remark: Making bad decisions by not going for it and leaving a team at the 2 yard line if you are unsuccessful on 4th down. That was MARIO CRISTOBAL’s decision, which was bad.

How does making bad decisions for the team have anything to do with recruiting and developing O Lineman? As a matter of speaking, Mario has done a great job recruiting. Would you not agree that him recruiting Cam Ward in the transfer portal was a good decision? So why are his other recruiting takes poor? Especially the OLine as you are harping on now?

Given the overwhelming responses in here that run counter to your argument about the OLine sucking, I am going to refrain from wasting any more time pointing out the obvious and will conclude with points that are well covered.

-Emory is terrible and plays like a statue. Even with a strong OLine, he must move his feet in the pocket and drift with it. That is not Cam magic, but how the position is played. Cam did it to another level during the season, most of the time to our benefit, sometimes to our detriment.
-Mario the coach is a terrible decision maker and is the reason that we lost the game with how it was played. He should have gone for it on 4th and 2.
-The defense is terrible! Guidry needs to be let go immediately. His guys being confused in lining up was unacceptable in the 13th game of the season. That was just the tip of the iceberg.
-Our secondary was terrible, but our LBs didn’t help, especially when the run came off tackle and they picked up 20+ yards each time. This play was run successfully a handful of times.
-The end of the game was laughable. Trying to beat the clock allowed their defense to drop into coverage as we didn’t have time to run the ball and use our strength (the OLine)

BTW, in case you are confused, the questions in my response above are rhetorical. Please do not answer them as the est of us that use logic know the real answers.
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I won’t disagree with the assessment that the o line is “solid”. we ran great for much of the game. I get that.

I expect significant regression even with a ewers type at qb. Cam masked a LOT of deficiencies in the o line across the entirety of the season. After the UF game, the o line took a massive step back.
 
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canesstevealum08 said:
Problem with you and most of the board is. You use Mario’s obvious shortcomings to assume changes won’t be made. If he fires Guidry before the bowl game “man no one is going to want to work for Mario! He wasn’t prepared with a replacement already?! No wonder we lost guys in the portal we don’t have a dc!” But because they’re not fired yet you assume the staff won’t change. You really think no defensive changes and Emory is the starter? You really think he’s that content? Just like you really think cam decided at halftime not to play anymore? You guys gotta stop the doom and gloom for no reason. Yes the defense still sucks yes the hire is on Mario! But this assumption of an obvious backslide in 2025 is premature.
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WHAT?

I don’t know what you think I said but can you please go back and show me where i said anything related to the bolded?
 
ben said:
Yea Guidry sucks and that shows in how his players perform. Why was Emory 5-14 with six qb hits? Was that Guidry?
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No, if you put Emory behind the 2001 Oline he doesn’t suddenly become a better QB. He doesn’t go 11/14 with 0 QB hits.

Instead of dropping 7-8 like they were doing against Cam, you send 5,6+ guys. That’s what you do against freshmen and bad QBs you rush them to force them even further outside of their already uncomfortable selves.

Once again Cam had days to throw due to a good oline. He was not scrambling consistently. We also rushed for over 300 yards because the oline was blocking well.

This oline is top 7 in the country, i would even say top 5. Cam did a lot for this team because he is an elite QB. This good oline allowed him to live up to his potential. To complain about them is the definition of missing the forest for the trees.

If you want to argue success rate on HS oline prospects, i think thats a different argument.
 
JamesQuall said:
No, if you put Emory behind the 2001 Oline he doesn’t suddenly become a better QB. He doesn’t go 11/14 with 0 QB hits.

Instead of dropping 7-8 like they were doing against Cam, you send 5,6+ guys. That’s what you do against freshmen and bad QBs you rush them to force them even further outside of their already uncomfortable selves.

Once again Cam had days to throw due to a good oline. He was not scrambling consistently. We also rushed for over 300 yards because the oline was blocking well.

This oline is top 7 in the country, i would even say top 5. Cam did a lot for this team because he is an elite QB. This good oline allowed him to live up to his potential. To complain about them is the definition of missing the forest for the trees.

If you want to argue success rate on HS oline prospects, i think thats a different argument.
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He’s recruited two good high schoolers and three good transfers total in three seasons.

I think the question is very fair. Just as it’s fair to ask at this point if Lincoln Riley can actually recruit, develop and coach qb’s
 
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OP. I’m commenting after reading only the comments on the first page. Please stop. You don’t know OL play clearly and every time you double down, you reaffirm that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Both statistics and film show the OL played at a very high level.
300 rushing yards and Cam literally had all day to pick them apart. Go watch the play where Cam threw the pass flat footed to the flats area. He had ALL DAY back there and was flat footed because no one was near him so he stopped moving his feet. You are mad at Mario. Got it. There are plenty of darts to throw at him, but this one? Nah.

Here’s a serious question - what is your metric for evaluating the job the coaches are doing with the OL?
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
OP. I’m commenting after reading only the comments on the first page. Please stop. You don’t know OL play clearly and every time you double down, you reaffirm that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Both statistics and film show the OL played at a very high level.
300 rushing yards and Cam literally had all day to pick them apart. Go watch the play where Cam threw the pass flat footed to the flats area. He had ALL DAY back there and was flat footed because no one was near him so he stopped moving his feet. You are mad at Mario. Got it. There are plenty of darts to throw at him, but this one? Nah.

Here’s a serious question - what is your metric for evaluating the job the coaches are doing with the OL?
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six blocking three on the flat foot throw. Very reminiscent of last year with TVD and the max protect looks we used. It won’t look like a top five unit without a top 2 qb.
 
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ben said:
He’s recruited two good high schoolers and three good transfers total in three seasons.

I think the question is very fair. Just as it’s fair to ask at this point if Lincoln Riley can actually recruit, develop and coach qb’s
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Yes, Lincoln Riley can do this.
 
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BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
You forgot something in your response.

Here’s a serious question - what is your metric for evaluating the job the coaches are doing with the OL?
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1. Hit rate on recruits
2. Historical pro performance of Mario-coached linemen
3. Ability to dominate lesser talent in critical situations

I think item 1 is probably a 30% hit rate. I think item 2 (including his Alabama linemen) is about a 10% hit rate. On item 3, I think the o line wilted in critical moments in all three losses — most notably in the red zone.
 
ben said:
1. Hit rate on recruits
2. Historical pro performance of Mario-coached linemen
3. Ability to dominate lesser talent in critical situations

I think item 1 is probably a 30% hit rate. I think item 2 (including his Alabama linemen) is about a 10% hit rate. On item 3, I think the o line wilted in critical moments in all three losses — most notably in the red zone.
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What are the hit rates at Alabama, UGa, OSU and other top schools? What is a hit?

What does historical pro performance mean?

The third criterion is really subjective and lacks context. Example - the FG in the 4th Q. How in any way is that on the OL? Also, red zone defenses are more condensed due to less field to cover, so that will always skew the numbers slightly.

I’m not looking for an argument; just curious as to how you came to your conclusions.
 
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BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
What are the hit rates at Alabama, UGa, OSU and other top schools? What is a hit?

What does historical pro performance mean?

The third criterion is really subjective and lacks context. Example - the FG in the 4th Q. How in any way is that on the OL? Also, red zone defenses are more condensed due to less field to cover, so that will always skew the numbers slightly.

I’m not looking for an argument; just curious as to how you came to your conclusions.
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For me a hit out of high school, regardless of position, is someone who cracks the rotation within two years and plays reliably. We’ve seen Francis and Anez do it. Out of the portal, it’s more plug and play. Between the bama guard and our two centers, I think they did very well. Out of JC, it’s a mix of both. Bell has a lot of potential but whiffs on a lot of blocks right now. So let’s give them a C for high school recruiting, an A for portal and a B for juco.

Historical pro performance — I think the straightforward answer is the bama linemen who have gone into the pros have mostly been large guys who lack technique. That would seem to point to coaching.

The third one you’re welcome to dismiss. To me, running for 300 yards doesn’t really matter when you can’t punch it in at the goal line in the fourth quarter.
 
JamesQuall said:
The results suggest otherwise
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We will see how maieva develops but I would say the Caleb regression in year 3, coupled with rolling with then losing miller moss, bringing in a bust 5 star, and adding a toolsy developmental guy from UNLV paints the picture of a guy who is not the QB whisperer he was once seen as
 
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