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TheOriginalCane said:
Well, @NorthernVirginiaCane told me the GOR was IRONCLAD and IRREVOCABLE and that ACC teams wouldn't be going anywhere until the mid-2030s...
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Lol. Greenberg Traurig is a good firm. I clerked at their Lauderdale office. But ACC is not going to settle and nobody is going anywhere until 2030. I never said mid 2030s.

I don't follow the fsu and clemson to big ten rumors like you guys do, and certainly not of the rest of the ACC, but I don't see how anybody grows the pie large enough to get a full share. The schools that did that were texas, usc and Notre Dame. And I don't see the point of taking a half share instead of fixing the acc if possible.

So who knows. You certainly do not. But if I had to guess, I would guess that ESPN extends, the case in north carolina finishes first (even the double Nole is pushing mediation), And eventually the ACC reforms by kicking out wake/bc. But I don't see any of that happening until 2030.
 
Sure someone asked but after watching Pate's take on this, what is the possibility the Big 12 takes all the top schools from the ACC and get more money to say we got a big 3? I said it long before The PAC disintegrated, i rather go Big 10. We get the financial clout and less resistance on our way up. The SEC is a viper's nest. I dont expect them to ever treat us fairly.
 
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NorthernVirginiaCane said:
Lol. Greenberg Traurig is a good firm. I clerked at their Lauderdale office. But ACC is not going to settle and nobody is going anywhere until 2030. I never said mid 2030s.

I don't follow the fsu and clemson to big ten rumors like you guys do, and certainly not of the rest of the ACC, but I don't see how anybody grows the pie large enough to get a full share. The schools that did that were texas, usc and Notre Dame. And I don't see the point of taking a half share instead of fixing the acc if possible.

So who knows. You certainly do not. But if I had to guess, I would guess that ESPN extends, the case in north carolina finishes first (even the double Nole is pushing mediation), And eventually the ACC reforms by kicking out wake/bc. But I don't see any of that happening until 2030.
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if you said 2036 you would at least be consistent and based on the theoretical contract. if you said 2027, you would at least be dealing with the ESPN option date. 2030 has absolutely no presence in either, so you're just making it up in that case based on.......
 
NorthernVirginiaCane said:
Lol. Greenberg Traurig is a good firm. I clerked at their Lauderdale office. But ACC is not going to settle and nobody is going anywhere until 2030. I never said mid 2030s.

I don't follow the fsu and clemson to big ten rumors like you guys do, and certainly not of the rest of the ACC, but I don't see how anybody grows the pie large enough to get a full share. The schools that did that were texas, usc and Notre Dame. And I don't see the point of taking a half share instead of fixing the acc if possible.

So who knows. You certainly do not. But if I had to guess, I would guess that ESPN extends, the case in north carolina finishes first (even the double Nole is pushing mediation), And eventually the ACC reforms by kicking out wake/bc. But I don't see any of that happening until 2030.
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You are such a bull****ter.

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Ispyin said:
if you said 2036 you would at least be consistent and based on the theoretical contract. if you said 2027, you would at least be dealing with the ESPN option date. 2030 has absolutely no presence in either, so you're just making it up in that case based on.......
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Exactly. He said "2032 or so". He was soooo kind to pick a random couple of years "early", because, you know, the GOR is so IRONCLAD and IRREVOCABLE and all.

He's going to try to argue that "2032 or so" isn't "mid-2030s", while he tries to round his initial claim down to 2030. Meanwhile "2032 or so" is really 2032-2036, from an accuracy standpoint.

The facts are simple. He doesn't have a reason for picking 2030 or 2032, outside of the year being a relative midpoint between 2027 and 2036. He tells us how ironclad the GOR is, but then gives no rationale for why we'd get out of it 4 years early or 6 years early.

Sadly, @NorthernVirginiaCane knows nothing but posts his wild-*** guesses with great confidence. This is the guy who writes "enforceability opinions" but who told us that the ACC had an unassailable position...right before the ACC started losing every substantive legal argument in multiple courtrooms (and I'm not talking about the "first-to-file" nonsense in their home North Carolina court).
 
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supacane said:
Sure someone asked but after watching Pate's take on this, what is the possibility the Big 12 takes all the top schools from the ACC and get more money to say we got a big 3? I said it long before The PAC disintegrated, i rather go Big 10. We get the financial clout and less resistance on our way up. The SEC is a viper's nest. I dont expect them to ever treat us fairly.
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I agree, I live in SEC Country and I would love to be able to see Miami play closer to me more often. BUT...I don't think the SEC would treat us fairly in any way shape or form
 
According to this, Miami is the third highest spending university IN THE COUNTRY on football. Behind only Alabama and FSU.... and FSU's spending is mostly on stadium repairs and buyouts for fired coaches. Miami outspent any team in the Big10, every team in the SEC except Alabama, and of course any team in the Big 12.

Our investment in football matters. And that's not even talking about NIL, which you can tell by how we are recruiting is also very competitive.

This tells you two things. A.) Miami is attractive. Conferences want schools that want to invest in their football, especially conferences where it just means more. What better way to show how much it means than spending big on it? B.) Miami is not sleeping. No way Miami admin is spending $74M on football each year and then just blowing in the wind with the conference realignment stuff, when you're that invested then you're also attentive.


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Tony4Canes said:
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What a passive-aggressive little *****, mentioning "particularly outside the SEC and Big 10".

This Hummer guy is from Texas, and Texas JUUUUST joined the SEC. Before that, they were in the incredibly poorly-run Big 12.

This ****head should not be acting like the UNIVERSITIES were these poorly-run businesses. It was the business model OF THE ENTIRE NCAA to not pay for labor, and that includes TEXAS.

And the infusion of capital is not to "remain competitive", but to pay the NCAA settlement and insure ON A GOING-FORWARD BASIS that payments will be made, when each university's business model is not currently set up to absorb another $30 million per year in the blink of an eye.

But, yeah, sneer at everyone because you're from Texas, which only has such surpluses because UT is the flagship school in the second-largest state in the country.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
What a passive-aggressive little *****, mentioning "particularly outside the SEC and Big 10".

This Hummer guy is from Texas, and Texas JUUUUST joined the SEC. Before that, they were in the incredibly poorly-run Big 12.

This ****head should not be acting like the UNIVERSITIES were these poorly-run businesses. It was the business model OF THE ENTIRE NCAA to not pay for labor, and that includes TEXAS.

And the infusion of capital is not to "remain competitive", but to pay the NCAA settlement and insure ON A GOING-FORWARD BASIS that payments will be made, when each university's business model is not currently set up to absorb another $30 million per year in the blink of an eye.

But, yeah, sneer at everyone because you're from Texas, which only has such surpluses because UT is the flagship school in the second-largest state in the country.
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He's just ****ed about what private equity did to Red Lobster. He's just butthurt about no more endless shrimp and cheddar bay biscuits.

Somebody needs to tell him they aren't going to sell the land under Doak and then lease it back for an exorbitant amount.
 
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Felonious Monk said:
He's just ****ed about what private equity did to Red Lobster. He's just butthurt about no more endless shrimp and cheddar bay biscuits.

Somebody needs to tell him they aren't going to sell the land under Doak and then lease it back for an exorbitant amount.
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Having lived in Orlando for most of my life, I know quite a few people who work(ed) in corporate for both Red Lobster and Darden (former owner of Red Lobster, still owner of Olive Garden, LongHorn, Ruth's Chris, Capital Grille, Bahama Breeze, YardHouse, Cheddars, etc.).

That spinoff of Red Lobster was a DISASTER. Incredibly stupid.

But I'd find it HILARIOUS if the F$U Athletic Department had to file for bankruptcy a few years after getting involved with private equity...
 
RightSaidFred said:
According to this, Miami is the third highest spending university IN THE COUNTRY on football. Behind only Alabama and FSU.... and FSU's spending is mostly on stadium repairs and buyouts for fired coaches. Miami outspent any team in the Big10, every team in the SEC except Alabama, and of course any team in the Big 12.

Our investment in football matters. And that's not even talking about NIL, which you can tell by how we are recruiting is also very competitive.

This tells you two things. A.) Miami is attractive. Conferences want schools that want to invest in their football, especially conferences where it just means more. What better way to show how much it means than spending big on it? B.) Miami is not sleeping. No way Miami admin is spending $74M on football each year and then just blowing in the wind with the conference realignment stuff, when you're that invested then you're also attentive.


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Not disputing this but just fyi Miami number also includes buyout payments and tax true ups as part of Mario leaving from Oregon.
 
NorthernVirginiaCane said:
Lol. Greenberg Traurig is a good firm. I clerked at their Lauderdale office. But ACC is not going to settle and nobody is going anywhere until 2030. I never said mid 2030s.

I don't follow the fsu and clemson to big ten rumors like you guys do, and certainly not of the rest of the ACC, but I don't see how anybody grows the pie large enough to get a full share. The schools that did that were texas, usc and Notre Dame. And I don't see the point of taking a half share instead of fixing the acc if possible.

So who knows. You certainly do not. But if I had to guess, I would guess that ESPN extends, the case in north carolina finishes first (even the double Nole is pushing mediation), And eventually the ACC reforms by kicking out wake/bc. But I don't see any of that happening until 2030.
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That is possibly the worst, most ill informed take on the FSU situation and likely outcome of ESPN and the ACC's likely action that I have read anywhere. Like you said at the beginning ... you don't follow what is happening ... and it is obvious by your conclusions.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
Let's scenario Yormark + Big 12 puts together offer for Miami close enough to SEC/B1G money annually.

Do we care if Miami goes Big 12 then?
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One remote possibility thats been mentioned but would be intriguing is if the ACC votes to disband and then reforms with fewer teams. Payouts per team go way up. It would be the “academic elite” conference with a mix of private schools and elite public schools (with the exception of FSU and Clemson).
Yormark grabs a few of the teams that didn’t make the cut, and seem like a better fit for the Big 12 anyways like Pitt, NC St, and Louisville. Maybe we horse trade a big 12 school like Baylor.

Let’s say the ACC is

Private division
Miami
Duke
Stanford (partial shares)
SMU (no shares)
Notre Dame (by affiliation)
Baylor

Public Division
FSU
Clemson
UNC
Cal
UVA
Georgia Tech

That’s 12 teams. Payout would be around 65-70 million per team (assuming the share splits remain the same as under current deal). Add in performance based incentives and you are easily pushing 80-85 million to the top teams, which puts the total payouts through 2030 to be as good as the P2. Top to bottom that’s a very strong conference, and if they adopt the optional player revenue sharing model (20% of revenue to players), you would have one of the most balanced conferences, with top recruits across the country wanting in to get the revenue sharing.

Big 12 would be

All the current teams minus Baylor, plus
VT
Louisville
NC St
Pitt

Those are good markets for the big 12 and each one gives new carriage fees to the networks since the conference isn’t in those states.

Nobody pays exit fees or gets sued by the networks, and the schools make as much money as the P2.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
One remote possibility thats been mentioned but would be intriguing is if the ACC votes to disband and then reforms with fewer teams. Payouts per team go way up. It would be the “academic elite” conference with a mix of private schools and elite public schools (with the exception of FSU and Clemson).
Yormark grabs a few of the teams that didn’t make the cut, and seem like a better fit for the Big 12 anyways like Pitt, NC St, and Louisville. Maybe we horse trade a big 12 school like Baylor.

Let’s say the ACC is

Private division
Miami
Duke
Stanford (partial shares)
SMU (no shares)
Notre Dame (by affiliation)
Baylor

Public Division
FSU
Clemson
UNC
Cal
UVA
Georgia Tech

That’s 12 teams. Payout would be around 65-70 million per team (assuming the share splits remain the same as under current deal). Add in performance based incentives and you are easily pushing 80-85 million to the top teams, which puts the total payouts through 2030 to be as good as the P2. Top to bottom that’s a very strong conference, and if they adopt the optional player revenue sharing model (20% of revenue to players), you would have one of the most balanced conferences, with top recruits across the country wanting in to get the revenue sharing.

Big 12 would be

All the current teams minus Baylor, plus
VT
Louisville
NC St
Pitt

Those are good markets for the big 12 and each one gives new carriage fees to the networks since the conference isn’t in those states.

Nobody pays exit fees or gets sued by the networks, and the schools make as much money as the P2.
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Won’t happen
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
One remote possibility thats been mentioned but would be intriguing is if the ACC votes to disband and then reforms with fewer teams. Payouts per team go way up. It would be the “academic elite” conference with a mix of private schools and elite public schools (with the exception of FSU and Clemson).
Yormark grabs a few of the teams that didn’t make the cut, and seem like a better fit for the Big 12 anyways like Pitt, NC St, and Louisville. Maybe we horse trade a big 12 school like Baylor.

Let’s say the ACC is

Private division
Miami
Duke
Stanford (partial shares)
SMU (no shares)
Notre Dame (by affiliation)
Baylor

Public Division
FSU
Clemson
UNC
Cal
UVA
Georgia Tech

That’s 12 teams. Payout would be around 65-70 million per team (assuming the share splits remain the same as under current deal). Add in performance based incentives and you are easily pushing 80-85 million to the top teams, which puts the total payouts through 2030 to be as good as the P2. Top to bottom that’s a very strong conference, and if they adopt the optional player revenue sharing model (20% of revenue to players), you would have one of the most balanced conferences, with top recruits across the country wanting in to get the revenue sharing.

Big 12 would be

All the current teams minus Baylor, plus
VT
Louisville
NC St
Pitt

Those are good markets for the big 12 and each one gives new carriage fees to the networks since the conference isn’t in those states.

Nobody pays exit fees or gets sued by the networks, and the schools make as much money as the P2.
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I don't see a recent conference champ (Pitt) getting the boot. I also doubt NC St will be broken from UNC.

But hey, if genetics can make up ****, so can we, right?
 
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