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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

Handsome Squidbum said:
Personally I think both Rad and Frenk want to stay in the acc for different reasons. Rad because he was one of the biggest proponents for the GOR and his signature achievement was creation of the acc network. He's not likely going to do a 180 and say his signature achievement was garbage. When fsu started making noise about leaving, he doubled down that he wanted to make the acc stronger. He could have backed their play but didn't. And then he voted to expand the acc. Why? My guess is that he is worried that if FSU leaves the acc won't have enough teams. One realistic way of getting out of the GOR was to vote to dissolve the acc. Probably needed only 2 more teams to find a home somewhere else and they would have enough votes to disband. He easily could have voted with FSU, Clemson, and UNC to keep the 3 teams out but instead he voted yes, and basically slammed the door shut on getting out of the ACC through a vote.

Frenk wants the acc to survive because of academic prestige. UM has plummeted in the school rankings since he took over. Now we have Stanford and Cal, two of the best universities in the country. The ACC is absolutely the best academic conference, and moving to the B1G or SEC would mean academics take a backseat to athletics. And he'd vomit at the idea of merging with the B12, as they are garbage academically across the board.

Again this just my personal belief. I think the end result will be some renegotiation with espn and a little bit more money after 2027, but UM is not changing conferences until at least 2030.
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ESPN is never going to renegotiate. Miami is finished as a footballing power if we are still the ACC in 2030.

at least FSU might die with us if they fail to escape.
 
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thesentinel said:
at least FSU might die with us if they fail to escape
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Handsome Squidbum said:
Frenk wants the acc to survive because of academic prestige. UM has plummeted in the school rankings since he took over. Now we have Stanford and Cal, two of the best universities in the country. The ACC is absolutely the best academic conference, and moving to the B1G or SEC would mean academics take a backseat to athletics. And he'd vomit at the idea of merging with the B12, as they are garbage academically across the board.

Again this just my personal belief. I think the end result will be some renegotiation with espn and a little bit more money after 2027, but UM is not changing conferences until at least 2030.
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The conference that demands that all it's schools must be a member of the AAU, The conference that distributes 100's of millions of dollars through the BTAA to it's member schools for research.
The B1G has more prestige in academics than the ACC, and it's not even close.
 
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atlCanesFan said:
The conference that demands that all it's schools must be a member of the AAU, the co. The conference that distributes 100's of millions of dollars through the BTAA to it's member schools for research.,
The B1G has more prestige in academics than the ACC, and it's not even close.
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Northwestern is a top tier academic institution, and for a state school, Michigan is up there with the likes of UVA (or at least in the neighborhood).
The ACC has the following top tier institutions: Cal, Standford, BC, DUKE and then if you go with VERY strong, it's UVA, UNC, WAKE.

Not looking to get into a back and forth on that, but as someone who knows a lot about higher ed (it's part of my career), I can tell you that only the IVY League sports conference can sniff the ACC when it comes to top tier academic schools.
 
filmcane said:
Northwestern is a top tier academic institution, and for a state school, Michigan is up there with the likes of UVA (or at least in the neighborhood).
The ACC has the following top tier institutions: Cal, Standford, BC, DUKE and then if you go with VERY strong, it's UVA, UNC, WAKE.

Not looking to get into a back and forth on that, but as someone who knows a lot about higher ed (it's part of my career), I can tell you that only the IVY League sports conference can sniff the ACC when it comes to top tier academic schools.
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I'm just going to say this and leave it here.
Every single publication that I've seen, aside from the IVY ranks the B1G as the next best academic program. ACC is fine, but it's not on the same level.
 
cway313 said:
763 pages of nothing.
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I dunno man... I enjoy the matter of fact arrogance followed up by words like "hope" a few posts later by the same posters....

I mean, I am sure Rad and Frenk have all of this under control, because getting left out would be death and that just won't happen ...

Back to our regularly scheduled arrogance (as Miami falls further down the pecking order)....
 
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Angry Ibis said:
I dunno man... I enjoy the matter of fact arrogance followed up by words like "hope" a few posts later by the same poster....

I mean, I am sure Rad and Frenk have all of this under control, because getting left out would be death and that just won't happen ...

Back to our regularly scheduled arrogance (as Miami falls further down the pecking order)....
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I think we get out ... only issue is timing. IF there is substance to the ND smoke and they do join the B10 with FSU ... then it would most likely be the 28/29 window when the B10 does their next contract revision .... unless we maybe move with a partial share for a couple of years. Would love to see them take FSU / Miami and ND with a scheduling agreement. FSU / Miami is a long time rivalry and paired with "Catholics and Convicts" those games would draw a huge viewership.
 
filmcane said:
Northwestern is a top tier academic institution, and for a state school, Michigan is up there with the likes of UVA (or at least in the neighborhood).
The ACC has the following top tier institutions: Cal, Standford, BC, DUKE and then if you go with VERY strong, it's UVA, UNC, WAKE.

Not looking to get into a back and forth on that, but as someone who knows a lot about higher ed (it's part of my career), I can tell you that only the IVY League sports conference can sniff the ACC when it comes to top tier academic schools.
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I agree except I’d put BC in the “very strong” category and not “top tier” category. BC is NOT on the same level with Cal, Stanford and Duke.
 
Rickd said:
Don't see how there will be "a little bit more money after 2027" when FSU will definitely be gone and possibly UNC / UVA. If the ND smoke has substance, the ACC without FSU / ND / UNC won't sniff the current contract amount. Miami was part of the "magnificent seven" so I am hoping that Radakovich believes that the ACC is dead man walking.
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True. And if those schools along with UVA, the conference's academic ranking takes a hit as well.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
I dunno man... I enjoy the matter of fact arrogance followed up by words like "hope" a few posts later by the same posters....

I mean, I am sure Rad and Frenk have all of this under control, because getting left out would be death and that just won't happen ...

Back to our regularly scheduled arrogance (as Miami falls further down the pecking order)....
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If you're going to say that "hope" is a bad thing to hang your hat on, then the other side of the coin is also true- there is no evidence that Miami is falling down any pecking order.

The people who say that have an agenda. Genetics has an agenda - he's a BIG mouthpiece. The BIG would love for Miami to A.) Not have any other options... that way they can offer us half shares like UO and UW. B.) Join the FSU lawsuit, that way they can sign Miami up if we win the suit, and aren't on the hook for anything if we lose.

The SEC isn't going to leak their interest, just like they didn't leak interest in Texas or Oklahoma. And the BIG has every incentive to leak out that support is wavering for Miami, so that they can prod us in to acting right now instead of waiting.

Miami is going to do what is best for Miami from a financial perspective. When people on twitter are saying we're falling down the pecking order, consider who they are and what their self-interest is as to why they would be saying that.

Miami is a hugely valuable brand, located in the absolute best place in America from a college football perspective.

Anybody who is from Miami should be immune to this kind of amateur hustle, to be honest. "Buy now, this deal ends tomorrow" is the oldest hustle in the book. Be smarter than that. Miami has a ton of value to either of the P2 conferences.
 
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JD08 said:
If UNC prefers the SEC, would that lead the B10 to want UVA because of AAU and academics?*
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B10 additions CURRENTLY are being evaluated by FOX for football viewership as the prime criteria. UVA brings nothing in football viewership and would dilute. The B10 wants ND, FSU, UNC, Miami, with Miami preferred ahead of UNC by FOX for viewership and apparently the presidents prefer UNC for academics. There have been comments by SEC people that UVA is a take along with UNC for geographic consolidation purposes.
 
Rickd said:
B10 additions CURRENTLY are being evaluated by FOX for football viewership as the prime criteria. UVA brings nothing in football viewership and would dilute. The B10 wants ND, FSU, UNC, Miami, with Miami preferred ahead of UNC by FOX for viewership and apparently the presidents prefer UNC for academics. There have been comments by SEC people that UVA is a take along with UNC for geographic consolidation purposes.
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Works for me, let's get this thing moving.
 
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