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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

USNAVYCANE said:
I’m pretty sure it’s for any type of broadcast of the game so wouldn’t matter where they played
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The grant right is for your home games, which is why if Miami plays away, you could see them on a different network in the past. But I think that in this case in this proposed scenario, those suggested neutral gains would still be considered home games at Miami, willingly elected to play on a alternate field

Miami is not in the position or any school for that matter is not in the position to grant wright to an away game that they have no rights to Grant to
 
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FYI and FWIW mark rogers (voice of college football guy) has genetics on tonight (Thursday 2/1) at 7:30 est

 
Running summary of “info” shared on the above video stream from mark rogers voice of college football as it comes:

- on show - mark Rogers @markrogerstv, @tjaltomore Tony altimore, @genetics56 and some other guy with the SEC “insider” info (Tide Guy!)

- things are accelerating because of the ncaa being the ncaa (Tennessee)
- plan is for sec and big ten to break away completely in football and hoops
- breakaway would have own playoff period - forget about the other conferences
- revenue sharing for players hoping to be done this print- breakaway will be employees- how their deals structured could be at will, under contract, etc - not set yet
- trying to sort all this out by end of calendar year 2024
- fsu definitely has big10 invite moment they get out
- number of players per team can and will change because ncaa rules gone - working on level of employment - how teams will be financed
- Congress laughing at ncaa thinking they will get legislation- ncaa losing court battle after court battle so big 2 moving towards the inevitable business mode
- big ten commish - given a mandate to make it essentially third after NFL AND NBA - so do what is needed to get the markets and reach to pas by mlb and others - hence move into Florida and California
- move into Florida brings 200M to next tv deal
- uva is not getting in- they have Virginia via dc and fox said no to Virginia

Now going into a presentation on how fsu will benefit from big10 - that’s the focus of the show- not going to write all the notes about them - maybe a few
- expects FSU will have to pay $150m to get out in total - or maybe even less (like $90m
- fsu trying to get out and go to Big10 for 2024 season - and there is a plan for that with big10
- acc keeps $40 m of fsu payment to help move it down
- Two waves - fsu first by themselves then second wave of acc teams (waiting on that update

- if fsu gets this down to around $90m - MIAMI UNC CLEMSON UVA and ND- are gone see below

Sec guy chimes in
- sec in contact with unc and uva. Main players want unc to sec
- Unc has offer for sec and uva would be travel partner
- Clemson does not have home yet - big ten hasn’t said they want them yet and sec doesn’t know if they want to go beyond 18
- unc may sue next because Clemson doesn’t have guaranteed home. Only so many chairs

Back to genetics on big ten
- yes they wanted unc but expect them to go sec at this point- very additive to SEC - flagship schools in contiguous states. Carolina hoops value is so huge disproportionately it makes up for their football
- notre dame is target after fsu - they will hold off on 20th member hoping for nd - new AD and new president
- so far have not gone into where when for Miami as opposed to what they said about Clemson


- Big ten static media value 90m if ND not including playoffs - if not them and it’s a Miami or Clemson it’s 75m. That’s why they want to ask
- nd by itself is 225 m a year in new rev
- fsu plus nd is 311m a year in new static
- If it’s not nd but fsu and Miami or a unc it’s 175m in new static revenue so yes Miami still adds a ton of rev just not as much as nd
- big ten 2030 tv contract will pass $10b - bigger than premiere league, IPL and near MLB

If notre dame wants to do breakaway but not join conference they would have to play 5-6 big ten and 2-3 sec

If you pay 150m you’re going to get 425 m back from big ten conservatively

NIL convo
- you need 4-11m a year to compete in current power 5 - mid range is 7.5m
- nil will change relationships between collectives and eventual athlete as employees
- strong correlation between nil dollars spent and success

They were hoping the playoff would get 2bn but the bids weren’t coming in that high, so that’s a reason they want to just have sec and big 10 just breakaway without the g5 included and the leftover p5 - not sure if playoff will be 12 or 16 but just in the two breakaway leagues

- let’s see if @Cane & Able fills in his take below
 
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Cane & Able said:
hope you are enjoying the show so far. you can follow the tide guy on X @rtide18Roll
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I didn’t hear what you said @Cane & Able on Miami. Just that they would leave at 90m and that big would wait for ND first

Said Clemson doesn’t have a landing spot but didn’t say anything about what Miami does if it leaves in terms of your take on if Miami has a landing spot - implied it would follow fsu if nd doesn’t join big but not a word on what happens if nd says yes to big
 
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Ispyin said:
I didn’t hear what you said @Cane & Able on Miami. Just that they would leave at 90m and that big would wait for ND first

Said Clemson doesn’t have a landing spot but didn’t say anything about what Miami does if it leaves in terms of your take on if Miami has a landing spot - implied it would follow fsu if nd doesn’t join big but not a word on what happens if nd says yes to big
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Only other mention of Miami that I heard was towards the end when Mark asked him to rank the ACC schools by value and @Cane & Able listed (including all Olympic sports)
1) ND
2) UNC
3) FSU
4) Clemson
5) Miami
6) UVA
7) Pitt

Also didn't hear anything about what happens if FSU and ND both go to B10 and how far beyond 20 they would go after the first dominos fall
 
canes518 said:
Only other mention of Miami that I heard was towards the end when Mark asked him to rank the ACC schools by value and @Cane & Able listed (including all Olympic sports)
1) ND
2) UNC
3) FSU
4) Clemson
5) Miami
6) UVA
7) Pitt

Also didn't hear anything about what happens if FSU and ND both go to B10 and how far beyond 20 they would go after the first dominos fall
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Yes. But he made it on one hand seem like Clemson was the one that didn’t have a landing spot but then didn’t comment on Miami in his view further t
 
Ispyin said:
Yes. But he made it on one hand seem like Clemson was the one that didn’t have a landing spot but then didn’t comment on Miami in his view further t
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He just posted this on twitter
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Ispyin said:
The grant right is for your home games, which is why if Miami plays away, you could see them on a different network in the past. But I think that in this case in this proposed scenario, those suggested neutral gains would still be considered home games at Miami, willingly elected to play on a alternate field

Miami is not in the position or any school for that matter is not in the position to grant wright to an away game that they have no rights to Grant to
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Not only that, but they would be telling all of their fans 'sorry, no home games for 5 years' or however long it is and would probably be breaking some type of lease with JoePro Sharkphin Stadium
 
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ssvir said:
Maybe there is something in the ACC contract that requires each team a certain number of home games but otherwise, Miami could just play 12 "away" games.
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should be easy cause schools been saying HRS is an away venue…..
 
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CaneinBroward said:
Within 24 hours, we went from FSU wrote an amazing court document which is so damning the ACC will be paying Miami to leave and the Big 10 will greet Miami with open arms to a podcast where Miami is mentioned as a Big 10 afterthought.

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We all know that the B1G covets ND, however, ND just signed a generous contract with NBC for football and hockey until 2029. So they appear locked into that contract for the foreseeable future
With that said, it's hard to imagine theh B1G takes just one team FSU. I'm of the belief it's a FSU/Miami package deal.
 
Ispyin said:
Yes. But he made it on one hand seem like Clemson was the one that didn’t have a landing spot but then didn’t comment on Miami in his view further t
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Say everything and the opposite of everything and you are never wrong. Rinse and repeat.
 
atlCanesFan said:
We all know that the B1G covets ND, however, ND just signed a generous contract with NBC for football and hockey until 2029. So they appear locked into that contract for the foreseeable future
With that said, it's hard to imagine theh B1G takes just one team FSU. I'm of the belief it's a FSU/Miami package deal.
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I agree. Florida is the biggest prize left as far as media value goes.

Adding FSU adds value.
Adding Miami adds value.

Adding both doesn't just add both but multiplies that value.

All of a sudden Florida becomes just as much, if not more, a B1G state instead of an SEC state.
 
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Yoyo82 said:
I agree. Florida is the biggest prize left as far as media value goes.

Adding FSU adds value.
Adding Miami adds value.

Adding both doesn't just add both but multiplies that value.

All of a sudden Florida becomes just as much, if not more, a B1G state instead of an SEC state.
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There are probably more Michigan alums / fans living in Naples / Tampa / Jacksonville / Daytona Beach than there are current FSU alums / fans in the State of Florida. Then add the rest of the B10 and ND, with Miami and FSU in the B10 and the State of Florida will be B10 dominant with the SEC a distant second.
 
You'd have to imagine the Dolphins (Ross + Garfinkel are Michigan alums) would love to have Miami join the B10 just for the fact that Michigan would play at HRS every few years
 
CreativeCane said:
@TheOriginalCane are there any merits to doing this? Could the judge overseeing the FSU lawsuit look at this as trying to hide something?
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I don't think there are substantial merits here.

I'll put this into simple terms.

Until now, the ACC has succeeded in "keeping the ESPN deal secret" from the public (I think the GOR was published fairly soon after it was entered into, but it doesn't have a lot of "sensitive information" in it).

Of course, the ACC (and any P4 conference) is made up of more than half "public institutions", many of them in states which have versions of the Sunshine Law and/or other forms of public disclosure laws.

So from a STATE perspective, a legislator (or citizen) would say "why am I able to get information about my institution towards which I pay tax, but then SUDDENLY a conference negotiating a contract on behalf of my institution says 'nope, you can't see this contract'", and I very much understand and sympathize with that argument. Essentially, one could argue that a school could "use" a conference to shield information from the general public, simply by shifting some of its contracts to the "conference level" and then agreeing to secrecy and non-disclosure clauses.

This is particularly true when the ESPN TV contract is not nearly as sensitive as, say, the research of a professor who is working on a cure for cancer. Or the guidance system for a Star-Wars type laser weapon (kudos to the great 1985 film "Real Genius"). Instead, the only "sensitive" information in the document is how much ESPN is willing to pay the ACC (and the member schools).

And I can't imagine a judge would NOT think that this information is EXACTLY the kind of information that states intended to be discoverable when they passed public-disclosure laws.

In conclusion, I will reiterate what I have said all along (and my apologies in advance to any of the idiots who actually believed one single word that @NorthernVirginiaCane typed), but you can put ANYTHING YOU WANT into a contract. And anyone can sign it. And anyone can follow it, for a while. But NONE OF THAT means that you can never challenge those provisions in court as unenforceable. And I tend to think that the "secrecy" clauses the ACC drafted will not survive a legal challenge.
 
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