MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

UNC AD interview, basically saying the GOR is ironclad, and the only way out is to buy it back in a settlement based on the net present value of the future revenues.




informative, around the 7 minute to 11 minute mark.

GOR is not going anywhere and neither is Miami. At least not this decade.

You claim to be an attorney. Don’t you think maybe, just maybe, this is posturing for a high profile negotiation. Did you expect him to come out and say please give us a year of GOR and go on your way? Come on. Even a lay person would understand what’s going on there.
 
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UNC AD interview, basically saying the GOR is ironclad, and the only way out is to buy it back in a settlement based on the net present value of the future revenues.




informative, around the 7 minute to 11 minute mark.

GOR is not going anywhere and neither is Miami. At least not this decade.

Did you watch your own video from the 7min mark to the 11 minute mark like you said?

Literally at no point did he say anything other than it is currently not known how much it would cost to leave the GOR, except for giving the estimate that at most it'd be ~$30M*13yrs.

What he actually said was "I don't know how long it'd take or how much it'd be" regarding going to court and getting out of the GOR.
He says everyone knows the conference exit fee, what they don't know is the GOR cost. Says We granted our rights to the ACC. The ACC sold them to ESPN who owns them until 2036.
 
You claim to be an attorney. Don’t you think maybe, just maybe, this is posturing for a high profile negotiation. Did you expect him to come out and say please give us a year of GOR and go on your way? Come on. Even a lay person would understand what’s going on there.


Wait, wait, let me see if I can understand what you're saying...

That maybe...just maybe...we shouldn't rely on legal advice...from one of the idiots who agreed to this disastrous GOR deal...and is motivated to keep everyone tied to this disastrous GOR deal...

This is why you go out and hire independent counsel when you are trying to break out of a bad deal...instead of listening to some hack named @NorthernVirginiaCane ...
 
UNC AD interview, basically saying the GOR is ironclad, and the only way out is to buy it back in a settlement based on the net present value of the future revenues.




informative, around the 7 minute to 11 minute mark.

GOR is not going anywhere and neither is Miami. At least not this decade.

So a guy who has a vested interest in seeing the conference stay together says the agreement is ironclad. Seems legit.
 
UNC AD interview, basically saying the GOR is ironclad, and the only way out is to buy it back in a settlement based on the net present value of the future revenues.




informative, around the 7 minute to 11 minute mark.

GOR is not going anywhere and neither is Miami. At least not this decade.

Thanks for letting us know.
 
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Wait, wait, let me see if I can understand what you're saying...

That maybe...just maybe...we shouldn't rely on legal advice...from one of the idiots who agreed to this disastrous GOR deal...and is motivated to keep everyone tied to this disastrous GOR deal...

This is why you go out and hire independent counsel when you are trying to break out of a bad deal...instead of listening to some hack named @NorthernVirginiaCane ...
I’m convinced he has to be a troll and just taking the ****.
 
UNC AD interview, basically saying the GOR is ironclad, and the only way out is to buy it back in a settlement based on the net present value of the future revenues.

GOR is not going anywhere and neither is Miami. At least not this decade.



And this is why people hate you.

None of the things that you typed were actually said by Bubba Cunningham. It's just pure Mopery Projection on your part, to try to rehabilitate the horrible hot-takes you've posted earlier.

Why can't you just self-ban your log-in name, and stop bothering everyone with your inaccurate posts?
 
UNC AD interview, basically saying the GOR is ironclad, and the only way out is to buy it back in a settlement based on the net present value of the future revenues.




informative, around the 7 minute to 11 minute mark.

GOR is not going anywhere and neither is Miami. At least not this decade.

Nice story ... but that's NOT what Bubba said regarding the GOR. What he DID SAY is ...

"we granted our rights to the ACC and the ACC has sold the rights to ESPN so there is not a lot of wiggle room. We know what the ACC exit fee is ... but we don't know what the GOR situation would be. We know there is 12 years on the GOR agreement and say the annual payout is $30 million, that is $360 million over a 12 year span. Obviously our position in court is that we can't pay that amount and we don't know what the settlement figure might be".

So at the end of the day in retrospect his comments were actually very benign. If, as certain experienced attorneys that also frequent this board have stated, the fact that the schools received no compensation when the ACC extended the GOR from 2027 to 2036, then there MIGHT BE a legit legal basis for a court ruling that there is no binding contract and the GOR should expire in 2027. Bubba didn't say at all that certain programs are not discussing the matter ... in fact he reiterated that there are school AD's who are in conversations regarding the matter. Programs departing from the ACC is not a dead issue.
 
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And this is why people hate you.

None of the things that you typed were actually said by Bubba Cunningham. It's just pure Mopery Projection on your part, to try to rehabilitate the horrible hot-takes you've posted earlier.

Why can't you just self-ban your log-in name, and stop bothering everyone with your inaccurate posts?
If only we had moderators with the ability to ban repeated obvious trolls
 
Nice story ... but that's NOT what Bubba said regarding the GOR. What he DID SAY is ...

"we granted our rights to the ACC and the ACC has sold the rights to ESPN so there is not a lot of wiggle room. We know what the ACC exit fee is ... but we don't know what the GOR situation would be. We know there is 12 years on the GOR agreement and say the annual payout is $30 million, that is $360 million over a 12 year span. Obviously our position in court is that we can't pay that amount and we don't know what the settlement figure might be".

So at the end of the day in retrospect his comments were actually very benign. If, as certain experienced attorneys that also frequent this board have stated, the fact that the schools received no compensation when the ACC extended the GOR from 2027 to 2036, then there MIGHT BE a legit legal basis for a court ruling that there is no binding contract and the GOR should expire in 2027. Bubba didn't say at all that certain programs are not discussing the matter ... in fact he reiterated that there are school AD's who are in conversations regarding the matter. Programs departing from the ACC is not a dead issue.

He is saying that the schools could possibly negotiate a purchase / buy out of the GOR with ESPN and/or the conference. That it's completely uncertain. That's the point. You can't do anything without a resolution of the GOR issue. The exit fee you know. Not the GOR.
 
He is saying that the schools could possibly negotiate a purchase / buy out of the GOR with ESPN and/or the conference. That it's completely uncertain. That's the point. You can't do anything without a resolution of the GOR issue. The exit fee you know. Not the GOR.
No kidding?? Everybody participating in this thread has known THAT since the thread opened. The discussions have been almost exclusively directed AT the GOR and there STILL is debate as to whether the GOR would actually be held as enforceable in court, as pointed out in the law review article presented earlier. It is the opinion of several highly regarded attorneys that it would not be upheld as an enforceable agreement. We will find out at some point.
 
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He is saying that the schools could possibly negotiate a purchase / buy out of the GOR with ESPN and/or the conference. That it's completely uncertain. That's the point. You can't do anything without a resolution of the GOR issue. The exit fee you know. Not the GOR.


Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

That is not what he was saying at all. He said that the MAXIMUM price is "remaining years times revenue share", but we all already knew that.

And as for the points he made about uncertainty, you are seeing what YOU want to see, and then building a narrative around THAT. There is no "ordering". There is no "you need to resolve the GOR issue first" nonsense. If you would have listened carefully, you would have realized that Bubba said EXACTLY what many of us have said before...

That "uncertainty" is being used as a cudgel. Nobody knows whether a GOR generally (or the ACC GOR specifically) is enforceable or not because everyone has been afraid to test one out in court. THAT is the issue, not the "dollar amount" nonsense that you are stuck on.

Here's the reality, Mr. I Do Assignments Every Day....this is NOT a traditional assignment, this is a very specific and very strange agreement that was put in place NOT to negotiate a TV deal, but to scare the loose ***** out of everyone in the ACC if they even THOUGHT about leaving...we already HAVE an agreement to keep the ACC together, it's called the ACC Constitution. You can't just sign 10 different contracts that set up 10 different financial penalties for leaving the conference.

And the REASON it is NOT really an "assignment" and is more about an abusive relationship...is that you DO NOT NEED A GOR to negotiate a TV deal. The SEC did it. The Big 10 did it. For the entire history of college sports TV deals, we SOMEHOW were able to survive without a GOR until someone invented it 20 years ago.

So all of your high-falutin' nonsense about how this is some sacrosanct document that was necessary and perfectly reasonable from a consideration standpoint is just false. It's not true. We didn't NEED a GOR to sign any TV deals (though I freely acknowledge that ESPN recognized a battered spouse when they saw one and took advantage of the ACC's desperation and neediness).

What does it all mean? What it MEANS is that we do not need to "resolve" the "GOR issue" before we do anything. In fact, the "anything" that we need to do is to summon up the will to be the first university (or group of universities) with the cojones to challenge the absolute fraudulence of a GOR contract. Period. All that bull**** that Bubba spouted about "well, here's the maximum, and then let's tell the ACC we can't afford to pay that and figure out a settlement" is just bull****. If the GOR was as "ironclad" as frauds like you want to claim, then there is no reason for the ACC to negotiate for one penny less than the maximum.

The "anything" is "going into court and saying that GORs are a farce", that they are an unnecessary construct to perform a function (entering into a TV deal) that is just a disguise for something completely different, namely, creating an ADDITIONAL financial penalty beyond the constitutional/contractual exit fee of $120M.

See, people like you remind me of my brother's former business partner. Over 20 years ago, my brother asked me to look at the Covenant-Not-To-Compete that his partner was having all the employees sign. And that Non-Compete was a template off of FindLaw.com that was perfectly drafted and completely enforceable...except for the fact that it was a 25 year term and a 25,000 mile radius (a number that is, conveniently, the circumference of the earth). So, setting aside whether a US court has the jurisdiction to enforce a planetary Covenant Not To Compete, I pointed out that a court would simply not enforce those time/distance numbers.

And while the ACC facts are not identical, the point is that a contract which APPEARS to be reasonable and enforceable can be completely invalidated by well-made arguments related to context and public policy and other considerations which do not appear on the massive 4-page "original" GOR or the 1-page "extension" to the GOR.

It's simple. The GOR is garbage. It was not necessary. It is a disguise to make "divorce" such a massively expensive undertaking that the abused parties are forced to remain together "for the kids (revenue)". And the "consideration" for the extension of 9 additional abusive years is non-existent.

Look, you might feel like you are being attacked. But you brought this all on yourself, by linking a BULL**** interview, telling us to listen to one particular portion, and then insisting that Bubba Cunningham said things he didn't say. All while misrepresenting the underlying subject matter.

YOU are the one who continues to act like Miami's only choice is to wait until 2036. You own that position, you have staked it out. And you are full of crap. You are like a psychologist who runs to a TV station to give an on-camera diagnosis of a celebrity based on a 60-second interview segment that you watched five minutes ago.
 
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They will OWN the Tuesday night 10:00 PM CW slot on the East Coast ... and nobody will know.


So the CW is going from "we only broadcast CW content from 8 pm to 10 pm" to running live football games that don't even START until 10 pm (eastern time)?

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