Coley needs to be gone before D'Onofrio

[MiamiJoe]

They just hired Coley there's no point in even discussing firing him honestly. I was worried about Coley but he's learning on the job and apparently offers a lot recruiting. Morris hamstrung him to an extent and losing Duke (and also Dorsett) killed him. We were a completely different offense by year's end that could basically only throw some WR screens and pray. That's not all Coley--it's clear that he had to modify some things due to his personnel. We expected this year that losing Morris or Duke would devastate the offense. We'll see how he evolves.


How can anyone defend a coach who totally misused his talent. Duke catching 4 passes in 8 games is INEXCUSABLE. We have been burned all year by backs running wheel routes, do we even have play in our playbook. Dorsett before he got hurt was almost invisible by last years standards. Morris looked like a freshman instead of a senior. Fisch had it all over Coley.

 

[hcanes100]

I'm in the camp of coordinators should get 2-3 years. Dorotio has been bad for 3 years, gotta go. Coley, he can recruit and needs to get his type of players, so a pass for now.

 

[kmwcane]

They just hired Coley there's no point in even discussing firing him honestly. I was worried about Coley but he's learning on the job and apparently offers a lot recruiting. Morris hamstrung him to an extent and losing Duke (and also Dorsett) killed him. We were a completely different offense by year's end that could basically only throw some WR screens and pray. That's not all Coley--it's clear that he had to modify some things due to his personnel. We expected this year that losing Morris or Duke would devastate the offense. We'll see how he evolves.


How can anyone defend a coach who totally misused his talent. Duke catching 4 passes in 8 games is INEXCUSABLE. We have been burned all year by backs running wheel routes, do we even have play in our playbook. Dorsett before he got hurt was almost invisible by last years standards. Morris looked like a freshman instead of a senior. Fisch had it all over Coley.

Such selective use of certain facts to try and further your agenda. Why not present everything and judge by all the facts? How do you know it wasn't Morris's fault for not targeting Duke in the passing game? Miami did run wheel routes. I would have liked to have seen more screens to the running backs.

Misused talent? Stacy Coley was used extensively, Duke got plenty of carries prior to being hurt, those two being the best talents on the field. Dorsett had 272 yards receiving, 2 TDs and averaged 21 yards per catch. If not for injury, at that pace, Dorsett would have ended the year with just about the same stats as 2012. What about Hurns's great year? Right, you wouldn't mention that because that doesn't further your agenda.

Morris was the same QB as he was under Fisch:

2012 stats = 3345 yards, 58.2% completions, 21 TD, 7 INT, 138.1 QB rating
2013 stats = 3028 yards, 57.6% completions, 21 TD, 12 INT, 144.7 QB rating

 

[BWCD]

Throw around what stats you want for Morris. If you're happy with how this offense looked on the field against the better teams we played on our schedule, then go **** up a rope.

 

[cane since birth]

Coley's playbook consist of about 10 plays and that is it.

I remember coley dumbing down the play book for morris

 

[cane since birth]

Morris locks onto receivers this year where he wasn't last year, Louisvilles DBs just dropped 3 easy int's last week. He used to go for the marker on runs, vs VT with game on line and 4th and 5 he runs OB a yard short when he could have dove for 1st down. He has regressed as much as the Houston Texans.

He did last year too, fisch gave him simple first read plays, fisch covered up a lot of morris's flaws

 

[MiamiJoe]

Sure Duke got plenty of carries, up the middle way too much against UF with no chance to gain yardage, vs FSU the same thing as the play he was hurt on was only the same play called every time in short yardage all year. Has Coley ever heard of a bootleg on short yardage. He only started using Stacy Coley more after Duke got hurt instead of playing off each other. Not throwing ball to Backs is on OC not QB as there is no way he catches 4 passes in 8 games with COMPETENT play calling. You can defend him all you want but we regressed this year as we had a far EASIER schedule and a far MORE EXPERIENCED Offense.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Morris locks onto receivers this year where he wasn't last year, Louisvilles DBs just dropped 3 easy int's last week. He used to go for the marker on runs, vs VT with game on line and 4th and 5 he runs OB a yard short when he could have dove for 1st down. He has regressed as much as the Houston Texans.

He did last year too, fisch gave him simple first read plays, fisch covered up a lot of morris's flaws

The stats don't agree with you.

 

[caneaddict]

guys forget your last memory of our O is with no Duke and Dorsett

 

[Canesontherise]

No talent on offense. Randy left the cupboard bare is what the goldenites said

Negged for being stupid!

 

[cane since birth]

Morris locks onto receivers this year where he wasn't last year, Louisvilles DBs just dropped 3 easy int's last week. He used to go for the marker on runs, vs VT with game on line and 4th and 5 he runs OB a yard short when he could have dove for 1st down. He has regressed as much as the Houston Texans.

He did last year too, fisch gave him simple first read plays, fisch covered up a lot of morris's flaws

The stats don't agree with you.

Stats can be deceiving, go back and watch those games morris goes to the first read a lot, and arent the stats the same except he threw some more INTs

 

[cane since birth]

You cant really judge a coordinator by his first year, unless the play was absolutely horrible, which it was far from it

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Morris locks onto receivers this year where he wasn't last year, Louisvilles DBs just dropped 3 easy int's last week. He used to go for the marker on runs, vs VT with game on line and 4th and 5 he runs OB a yard short when he could have dove for 1st down. He has regressed as much as the Houston Texans.

He did last year too, fisch gave him simple first read plays, fisch covered up a lot of morris's flaws

The stats don't agree with you.

Stats can be deceiving, go back and watch those games morris goes to the first read a lot, and arent the stats the same except he threw some more INTs

I was pointing out the Fisch didn't "cover up a lot of Morris's flaws". He always had them. He threw a few more interceptions this year than last year (on a bum ankle). Other than that he had better stats this year, than last year. Morris had a couple good games at the end of 2012, that are clouding their judgement on the effect Fisch had on him.

He had a higher completion percentage (pre bowl game), more yards per attempt, same TD's (with 100 less attempts) and higher rating this year.

Morris is and always was the same quarterback he's always been here....not very good.

 

[dolewhipit18]

Even before our injuries our offense was not great. Considering that the only person we really lost from last season was Mike James this was something that really concerned me. Instead of progressing we regressed somehow. At first I wanted to chalk it up to guys still learning the playbook but after a while I realized that our offense really was just mediocre for the most part of the season.

 

[PowerIslam aka Sumdumgoy]

Nobody should be fired before Mr 500

 

[Mbecks22]

So... honest question... did we run a RB screen this year?

Duke was awesome in the screen game as a freshman. FSU runs HB screens all the time.

Coley comes here and runs.... ??? maybe 1? 0?

Duke should be catching at least 2 HB screens per game plus a few checkdowns, and on top of that we should do everything in our power to get him isolated on a LB and take a deep shot on a wheel route.

How are the RB screen, the RB flair screen, and the wheel not a part of every weeks' gameplan?


Our Line showed that getting downfield on WR screens was actually a rare strength of theirs.


I think Duke had 8 grabs and 1 of them was on a failed flee flicker.... he ended up taking it about 45 yards if I remember. Makes sense not to try and get the ball to him in space.

 

[Mbecks22]

HOLY ****! I just looked it up.

In 8 games, Duke had 4 catches for 77 yards. 4 ***N catches for a kid that averaged 19 yards per catch out of the backfield.

Last year Duke had 27 catches for 222 yards. Mike James had 30 catches for 344!! 57 catches for our HB's under Fisch including 27 for a true freshman who played less than half the snaps.


Hopefully this is part of Golden's "Evaluation" because there is no reason for that to continue next year. That is an embarrassment for Coley.

 

[MiamiJoe]

That has been my point all along how it is inconceivable that Duke isn't catching 4 passes per game. This alone shows how flawed his offense was. We have been burned all year by other teams backs catching passes

 

[BWCD]

Nobody should be fired before Mr 500

Agreed, but only because Golden passes D'Onofrio's office with a pink slip before he makes it down to Coley's with his pink slip. There shouldn't be much lapse between making those two changes. They don't have to be exclusive of one another.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

Personally I liked Fisch over Coley but I don't see what that has to do with the thread. Fisch is in the NFL now. He got promoted--he's supposed to be pretty good. I don't think many people expected Coley to be some upgrade. It's year one and he's never run an offense unilaterally. But, our offense was decent, he offers a lot in recruiting, and (AGAIN) he lost his best player. We had two indispensable players and he lost one. Fisch would've been hurt by that as well.

The point of the thread as I understood it is that Coley is more "fire-able" than Dono. That I can't understand. Dono has had three years here and has given no indication that we are on the verge of competency defensively. Even the most ardent defender would've expected some sign of progress by now--not greatness just significant progress. Instead we continue to be several steps behind the opposition, and we have yet to see signs that the younger guys upcoming will be the fix to this problem. On top of that, I don't follow recruiting much but have seen nothing to suggest that Dono is helpful in that area.