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Coley should have caught the pass that he "one hand oley'd" and it's not even close. EASY catch.
 
1. Coley is a TRUE Frosh who is going to be PHENOMENAL here. But True Frosh rarely dominate as Frosh. Even Andre Johnson was a non factor here as a Freshman.

2. Morris has NO touch on his passes at all. He has ONE speed, 99mph, that was not a very catchable ball. COULD Coley have pulled it in? Maybe, but most receivers would have dropped that too. IT was an awkward angle and the pass was off and too fast.

Fact is Morris showed up for a few series last night, just like the UF game, and the whole season, then he checked out and went brain dead the rest of the game. That is Morris MO and why we are never going anywhere with him as QB. We need a consistent QB who can move the offense and cash in points when it counts. And we dont have that. WORSE is that most defenses now have no respect for him, and they just tee off on our running game and dare Morris to throw.
 
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AUcane said:
First one he couldn't find the ball; he cut off his route. Throw was fine.

Second one, throw was late and short but again, coley had trouble finding the ball which caused him to overrun. Morris was basically throwing it up for grabs, hoping coley can go for it and coley couldn't even make a play on it.

Third one, throw was fine but coley brought his head around kind of late which resulted in a one arm reach for the ball. Ball was right there.
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I strongly disagree with your perspectives on this one.

The first pass was thrown inside when he was headed toward the corner. He "cut off his route" because the ball was thrown inside.

The second pass was a vertical route. It was, as are many tosses, thrown a solid tick late. The decision came too late. He had his DB by a clear 3 yards and the ball was underthrown by 5.

The last pass was much more on Coley. He went up with one hand when he should have gone up with two. Still would have been a spectacular catch.
 
Lu, regarding your first point, I'll have to rewatch but the fact remains that coley cut off his route early and misjudged the throw - can't dispute that. Again, I'm not saying Morris is blameless but coley made a poor effort on the ball on that throw.

As for the 2nd one - yes, Morris was late and under threw it. Agreed. That said, sometimes, the wr has SOME responsibility to fight for the ball. The db was able to locate ball easily and coley was not. Again, blame goes all around.

He is young and I guarantee you that had he been a soph or jr, you'd see much different efforts on the ball
 
AUcane said:
Lu, regarding your first point, I'll have to rewatch but the fact remains that coley cut off his route early and misjudged the throw - can't dispute that. Again, I'm not saying Morris is blameless but coley made a poor effort on the ball on that throw.

As for the 2nd one - yes, Morris was late and under threw it. Agreed. That said, sometimes, the wr has SOME responsibility to fight for the ball. The db was able to locate ball easily and coley was not. Again, blame goes all around.

He is young and I guarantee you that had he been a soph or jr, you'd see much different efforts on the ball
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Again, you're on him for cutting off his route on a poor pass inside.

I agree he has some responsibility to fight for the ball. No doubt. But, that ball was severely underthrown and he was accelerating away from the ball. Not b/c Stephen doesn't have the arm, but b/c Stephen needs to make that decision 1 second quicker.
 
i felt the last 2 weeks, waters was open so many times and morris didnt even look hsi way
 
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Could not agree more.... on the two TD's there was zero space for Morris to complete the pass and he did. On the deep pass Coley looked like he was behind the DB however that is only bc he kept running and the DB slowed down. If you want to see how much the FSU DBs respected the deep ball check out the coverage on our 5 and 10 yard outs - once again zero space.

Morris is about what we should have expected for a kid that is clearly hurt and the fact that not many other D1 programs wanted him
 
U guys are crazy, the one he dropped and one handed was a catchable ball. Good throw. I love coley but that ball wasn't too difficult.
 
LuCane said:
AUcane said:
Lu, regarding your first point, I'll have to rewatch but the fact remains that coley cut off his route early and misjudged the throw - can't dispute that. Again, I'm not saying Morris is blameless but coley made a poor effort on the ball on that throw.

As for the 2nd one - yes, Morris was late and under threw it. Agreed. That said, sometimes, the wr has SOME responsibility to fight for the ball. The db was able to locate ball easily and coley was not. Again, blame goes all around.

He is young and I guarantee you that had he been a soph or jr, you'd see much different efforts on the ball
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Again, you're on him for cutting off his route on a poor pass inside.

I agree he has some responsibility to fight for the ball. No doubt. But, that ball was severely underthrown and he was accelerating away from the ball. Not b/c Stephen doesn't have the arm, but b/c Stephen needs to make that decision 1 second quicker.
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Yes, poor pass, but again, he took a bad angle on the ball - maybe we're just talking past each other and we're really just saying the same thing. I chalk it up to lack of comfort out there on the big stage. Some guys just aren't ready as freshmen. Case point - Coley and also Burns on the KORs. Those guys have the abilities but just aren't totally comfortable out there. That will come with time, hopefully.
 
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AUcane said:
LuCane said:
AUcane said:
Lu, regarding your first point, I'll have to rewatch but the fact remains that coley cut off his route early and misjudged the throw - can't dispute that. Again, I'm not saying Morris is blameless but coley made a poor effort on the ball on that throw.

As for the 2nd one - yes, Morris was late and under threw it. Agreed. That said, sometimes, the wr has SOME responsibility to fight for the ball. The db was able to locate ball easily and coley was not. Again, blame goes all around.

He is young and I guarantee you that had he been a soph or jr, you'd see much different efforts on the ball
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Again, you're on him for cutting off his route on a poor pass inside.

I agree he has some responsibility to fight for the ball. No doubt. But, that ball was severely underthrown and he was accelerating away from the ball. Not b/c Stephen doesn't have the arm, but b/c Stephen needs to make that decision 1 second quicker.
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Yes, poor pass, but again, he took a bad angle on the ball - maybe we're just talking past each other and we're really just saying the same thing. I chalk it up to lack of comfort out there on the big stage. Some guys just aren't ready as freshmen. Case point - Coley and also Burns on the KORs. Those guys have the abilities but just aren't totally comfortable out there. That will come with time, hopefully.
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Probably. I have a tough time putting a lot of fault on guys like that because the game should be made easier for them. A true Frosh shouldn't be forced to bail us out with other-worldly plays. I acknowledge that skews my perspective.
 
the coley drop was not a terrible throw. actually it was on the money. happened right in front of me. coley just misplayed it. and i agree that it changed the game, we could have staying in it longer and it would have given the team a lot of confidence.

on the vertical route, morris was late and coley did not turn around early enough.

regardless, FSU was and is the better team.
 
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AUcane said:
Coley misplayed 3 critical balls last night. I love his prospects but he has ways to go. He wasn't ready tonight - neither was burns.
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Agreed. Silver lining though is you have a kid who has played a handful of games that was able to consistently get open and make an impact against maybe the best team in the country. He will be better because of a night like that.
 
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I can't even be mad at this cat. Dude is electrifying, and will have his chance to exempt his youthful mistakes thus far this year. Just need to keep feeding him the ball.
 
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