Coach D's Defensive Scheme

[WhatTheHell]

All this fightin's getting me horny.

 

[User-4525]

This scheme is why defensive linemen don't want to come here. Nobody wants to take up blockers on every play.

I promise you they have no idea in **** what scheme they're going into at whatever school they pick. They just know the basic 4-3/3-4, they don't want to come here because if you haven't realize we've been average for a long time now. Not to mention Uncle jethro can't close recruits

 

[motorcitycane]

I know we are talking about the DLine. But he was the defensive coordinator. They still put guys who were not highly recruited into 1st or 2nd day picks. The following Temple players made it under Golden and Co.

Defense:
LB Tahir Whitehead 5th Round
LB: Adrian Robinson Undrafted
S: Jaiquan Jarrett 2nd Round
DT: Terrance Knighton 3rd Round
DE: Brian Sanford
DT: Muhammed Wilkerson 1st Round

Offense:
RB: Bernard Pierce Round 3 (I know Golden wasn’t there during his senior season. But his first 3 seasons Golden’s staff coached him up. He won freshman of the year under Golden as did Duke Johnson.)

OG: Wayne Tribune
OG: Derek Dennis
WR: Rod Streater
TE: Evan Rodriguez
TE: Steve Maneri Undrafted

All of these guys are within 1-6years of NFL experience. Even the guys that were just rookies, Golden and staff still recruited those players therefore those are golden’s guys.

 

[motorcitycane]

This scheme is why defensive linemen don't want to come here. Nobody wants to take up blockers on every play.

I promise you they have no idea in **** what scheme they're going into at whatever school they pick. They just know the basic 4-3/3-4, they don't want to come here because if you haven't realize we've been average for a long time now. Not to mention Uncle jethro can't close recruits

Kids may think whatever they want there is NO gurantee once your name is on paper and the LOI faxed of anything. The players hold the cards until the LOI comes in. Once that's in the school does what THEY want to do with you. Whether that is Redshirting you, Not giving you the PT the promised you, Not running the scheme they promised you or whatever. Kids think they got things down packed. Better think again. There is NO gurantee that the coaches will even be there one year after their freshman season or ****, even before NSD.

Whoever said schemes are not Important I'd have to disagree. Every football team in the country from HS to the NFL finds someone on the roster who suprises them or surpassed expectations laid on that player. In the NFL it usually comes with coaching changes. When the scheme swiches player production is instantly changed as well. Positively or negatively. Some players might have 10 sacks one year and 3 the next completely due to scheme. If Aldon Smith wasn't a rush linebacker would he have 19.5sacks? I think not.

I don't know why we are whiffing on DT's. But I don't believe it has anything to do with scheme.

 

[TheMatador]

Parcells was the guy who drafted a 240 pound Greg Mark who was one of the best pass rushing DEs I'd ever seen in college football and tried to make him into a NT in the 3-4 with the Giants. I never understood that one. I wonder if Parcells' success was more a function of the talent he had with the Giants, or his DC, than his own smarts.

 

[TheMatador]

Some of you are either trolling; blind; or don't know **** about football? Last time I checked we use 4 down lineman you bunch of Mongolics?! How does Chick at one DE spot & Green opposite him with Porter & OP at DT resemble a 3 man front?! Some of you need to stop hating already. And even if we did run a 3-4 do you not realize that the best D in the NFL.......the SF 49er's employ that style of D?

And as far as the notion of Donofrio's D at Temple only being able to work there cause of the competition they faced.....it's all relative you fools! Those were the same offenses that torched them prior to his tenure there which he then shutdown!

I'm only an observer to this sight but had to finally chime in cause of how idiotic some of you sound!

Wow!! He all mad, I get the sense that he has a wrestling background, this one. He went all Degeneration X here. But he does point out valid points, all this talk of 3-4 is coming from where? All we've ran is 4-3. And the Temple point is spot on, it is relative every one fails to ever point out that before Golden and D'Onofrio those same weakling MAC teams were lighting up Temple prior to their arrival. And also as for the D, when Porter came back the final 4 games our run D was much much more improved and it also coincided with Pierre's much improved play the final 4 games as well. And also of note Porter was nowhere near full strength when he returned from the appendectomy.

Yeah, I remember mainly, if not exclusively, four man fronts last year. Did we ever run a 3-4? Maybe some of the people on here are the product of schools where they don't teach arithmetic, and the difference between 3 and 4 is not obvious. Or maybe they start counting from the back, and see 3 LBs and 4 DLs and say, "3-4."

 

[TheMatador]

This scheme is why defensive linemen don't want to come here. Nobody wants to take up blockers on every play.

Good point. They should only take on ball carriers or rush the passer. So, intramural touch football is more suitable. We're in trouble when we're losing our prospects to the intramural league.

 

[TheMatador]

Someone in this thread mentioned they didn't think gameplanning against MAC coaches is that tough. I'd like to point out that you actually see a lot more unconventional and creative offenses on a week to week basis in the MAC. A TON of great coaches get their start there, there is actually some great stuff offensive being done in that league. When you have below average players scheme means that much more.

Great post. The best (or at least most innovative) stuff typically trickles out from relative obscurity. The reason is necessity. Look where they found Chip Kelly.

**** look where Brian Kelly and Irvin Meyers started. Both in the MAC.

Who's Irvin Meyers?

 

[User-4525]

This scheme is why defensive linemen don't want to come here. Nobody wants to take up blockers on every play.

I promise you they have no idea in **** what scheme they're going into at whatever school they pick. They just know the basic 4-3/3-4, they don't want to come here because if you haven't realize we've been average for a long time now. Not to mention Uncle jethro can't close recruits

Kids may think whatever they want there is NO gurantee once your name is on paper and the LOI faxed of anything. The players hold the cards until the LOI comes in. Once that's in the school does what THEY want to do with you. Whether that is Redshirting you, Not giving you the PT the promised you, Not running the scheme they promised you or whatever. Kids think they got things down packed. Better think again. There is NO gurantee that the coaches will even be there one year after their freshman season or ****, even before NSD.

Whoever said schemes are not Important I'd have to disagree. Every football team in the country from HS to the NFL finds someone on the roster who suprises them or surpassed expectations laid on that player. In the NFL it usually comes with coaching changes. When the scheme swiches player production is instantly changed as well. Positively or negatively. Some players might have 10 sacks one year and 3 the next completely due to scheme. If Aldon Smith wasn't a rush linebacker would he have 19.5sacks? I think not.

I don't know why we are whiffing on DT's. But I don't believe it has anything to do with scheme.

All kids are different, but when looking at a school scheme isn't necessarily the first thing you look at. It's a way less important factor than ----> current team success, how well the coaches can recruit you, how much the parents like the school, education, team prestige, how much your team produces nfl talent,etc. The scheme is very important I'm not arguing that, I just don't think the recruits care that much about scheme as other factors, people are acting as if scheme is the reason we didnt get bryant, bostwik, Moten, hooks, etc.

 

[Coach Macho]

It's just odd to me that we can pull in top-notch recruits from other positions but we can't pull in top DT's.

However, I will say this... (just looking at the other side of the argument)

If scheme was the issue then I doubt we would ever finish in these kid's top-3. If you don't like Miami's scheme then you just drop us off your list period, you don't string your decision along and have us finish in the top-3.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

Some of you are either trolling; blind; or don't know **** about football? Last time I checked we use 4 down lineman you bunch of Mongolics?! How does Chick at one DE spot & Green opposite him with Porter & OP at DT resemble a 3 man front?! Some of you need to stop hating already. And even if we did run a 3-4 do you not realize that the best D in the NFL.......the SF 49er's employ that style of D?

And as far as the notion of Donofrio's D at Temple only being able to work there cause of the competition they faced.....it's all relative you fools! Those were the same offenses that torched them prior to his tenure there which he then shutdown!

I'm only an observer to this sight but had to finally chime in cause of how idiotic some of you sound!

Wow!! He all mad, I get the sense that he has a wrestling background, this one. He went all Degeneration X here. But he does point out valid points, all this talk of 3-4 is coming from where? All we've ran is 4-3. And the Temple point is spot on, it is relative every one fails to ever point out that before Golden and D'Onofrio those same weakling MAC teams were lighting up Temple prior to their arrival. And also as for the D, when Porter came back the final 4 games our run D was much much more improved and it also coincided with Pierre's much improved play the final 4 games as well. And also of note Porter was nowhere near full strength when he returned from the appendectomy.

Yeah, I remember mainly, if not exclusively, four man fronts last year. Did we ever run a 3-4? Maybe some of the people on here are the product of schools where they don't teach arithmetic, and the difference between 3 and 4 is not obvious. Or maybe they start counting from the back, and see 3 LBs and 4 DLs and say, "3-4."

A number of times I saw Green and McCord put their hand in the dirt, and then stand up after a line shift. The D seems to come out as a 4 man front, and then switch to a 3 man front depending on some set of factors determined by D'Onofrio. We're definitely trying to run a hybrid though, and it explains why we've had guys like Olivier Vernon and Tyriq McCord put in some work at linebacker.

 

[bobbydigius]

I am glad you started a thread on this. I am starting to become convinced this is the reason we cannot or are not attracting top flight DTs. I think it is the reason Marcus Forston left early. Im not buying the BS that Drew Rosenhaus jedi mind tricked him into thinking he would be a 1-3 round pick. I think he saw the new system would not benefit his talents and left.

I think it is the reason we couldnt hang onto Keith Bryant too and that we struck out on every big time DT target we had on the board this year. (Hooks, Bryant, Bostwick, Brooks, etc) I think these rival defensive coaches like Odell Haggins are popping in tapes of our DT schemes and using it against us. Lets not forget that Luther Robinson was almost benched against BC because he was going after QB! (And I was thinking buddy was ballin! Not knowing that he was totally f'ing up. smh.)

I have no answers. Doesnt ALA run the same type of scheme? And they get DT out the a$$. Maybe if we prove that the scheme can work and you can make it the NFL we can attract more DTs.

Am I looking too much into this?

Sanctions did scare off Kieff, and we just got outworked for Bostwick, plain and simple. Another thing to consider is that we arent just fighting against sanctions, some on here have to come to terms that both Jimbo and Muschamp are really really good recruiters, and that recruiting against them even when the sanctions cloud is removed will not be automatic.

We have recruited very well on defense save the DT position, otherwise I feel we are stacked with talent everywhere else. Now we can say it is scheme, but ask yourself this, how much trouble has Bama had recruiting DTs and they have a similar system in place? Either way I aint even worried about recruiting this year whatsoever, because if we dont win on the field its a wrap on the class either way. This is the year Golden and his boy either put up or shut up, and we better hope we win or we will be starting all over again.

 

[BigPoopaCane]

this entire post is worthless if you didn't also happen to mention that they were playing with "temple talent".. their competition wasn't top flight, but neither was their roster.

TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE FROM QUITTING FOOTBALL TO PLAY THE FLUTE IN THE BAND

 

[TheMatador]

this entire post is worthless if you didn't also happen to mention that they were playing with "temple talent".. their competition wasn't top flight, but neither was their roster.

TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE FROM QUITTING FOOTBALL TO PLAY THE FLUTE IN THE BAND

Please, keep the insults off this board. No reason to accuse somebody of playing the flute, especially if you don't know.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I think it was a piccolo.