Clemson making more moves into Dade

[BloodEunsOrangeAndGreen]

You’re not going to. They don’t have to post it (nor does any temple, church, Scientologist, etc). Similarly, most state schools do not have to post this stuff. Taking UGA for example... they do not have to post for the general school. However, the University of Georgia Athletics Association is not a government entity and does have to post their 990s. You can find all of them on guidestar.com with a free sign up.

Since UM is private, all of our financial information is readily available, with the only info redacted being who contributes to the school. That is provided to the government but not on the public disclosure forms.

Churches do not file 990s, so none of that is available to the public. It is also why you won’t find Salvation Army’s financials. Imagine the uproar if the IRS was auditing church information in the current political climate. That’s why it is an easy method for moving money.

Thanks for the info man. Sounds pretty full proof. Funny you mention the Salvation Army because in one of the articles I read there is a direct quote From perry noble and a guest speaker comparing themselves to the Salvation Army. read this cult ****:

In a Sept. 1 sermon at the Anderson campus, guest speaker Robert Morris said NewSpring's members have a unique opportunity to make a contribution that will enrich their lives. Morris is the founding senior pastor of Gateway Church, a multisite church based about 25 miles northeast of Dallas.

"You will determine the size of the miracle that is about to happen to you during the Step Up campaign," Morris said.

Noble discussed the campaign's financial focus in last week's interview. He pointed out that the Salvation Army has a $3 billion annual budget and "nobody is mad about that."

"People talk about churches and money," he said. "At the end of the day, a church is a nonprofit; and a church, just like the Salvation Army or the American Cancer Society, has to have money not just to survive but to accomplish the mission for which it is intended."

I didn’t know the mission was to make po dunk Clemson into the best team in college football. Is there any way to put pressure on these churches to tell us how money is distributed? Sounds like the only way this ends is by someone getting mad like nevin Shapiro.

 

[PittsburghCane]

You’re original comment on my post “Yes. They are. Winning with SC players.”

First can I say you are right? The 50% part is WAAY off. They only have about 25% from SC. My sincerest apologies OG.

But ain’t NO WAY you can debunk the others. Mike Williams, Kelly Bryant, Ben Boulaware, CJ Fuller, Hunter Renfrow, Kendall Joseph, Taylor Hearn and more are SC players who were big in helping Clemson win.

I can say where I’m wrong, but you missing so much that I’ve said that was right.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

I was listening to Luther Campbell on Lebatard South Beach Sessions podcast and Luke mentioned he would use father leo hold money for players.

Two Errors....You listened to 2 Mount Rushmore Douchebags...Douche #1 Snitched on his Own Alma Mater while as a Student...
Douche #2 Threatened to Snitch on his so-called Beloved UM program...all because of a QB not starting...and while the Program was already reeling......

 

[TrueFloridian]

First can I say you are right? The 50% part is WAAY off. They only have about 25% from SC. My sincerest apologies OG.

But ain’t NO WAY you can debunk the others. Mike Williams, Kelly Bryant, Ben Boulaware, CJ Fuller, Hunter Renfrow, Kendall Joseph, Taylor Hearn and more are SC players who were big in helping Clemson win.

I can say where I’m wrong, but you missing so much that I’ve said that was right.

There’s definitely been some good players from SC. Renfrow was a walk on.
What was really concerning when I looked at the past classes was noticing less and less SC guys every season. They aren’t cherry picking in just FL. It’s all over the country. However, the are really focusing on FL this season. It wouldn’t be surprising if they end up with 4-5 out of the top 15-25 in the state. Those are Bamaesque numbers.

The whole idea of making Chance Clemson’s rapper has zero to do with his popularity. It was because of his ability to recruit so many other rappers in his songs. When the head editor cracks jokes that Clemson is recruiting too well you know somethings up. Agree Drake is much better comparison but the editor was trying to make a point. Clemson is paying all the top recruits and cheating with PEDs. Their own employees are are now admitting it in court testimonies. It’ll be interesting how this all shakes out.

 

[PittsburghCane]

There’s definitely been some good players from SC. Renfrow was a walk on.
What was really concerning when I looked at the past classes was noticing less and less SC guys every season. They aren’t cherry picking in just FL. It’s all over the country. However, the are really focusing on FL this season. It wouldn’t be surprising if they end up with 4-5 out of the top 15-25 in the state. Those are Bamaesque numbers.

The whole idea of making Chance Clemson’s rapper has zero to do with his popularity. It was because of his ability to recruit so many other rappers in his songs. When the head editor cracks jokes that Clemson is recruiting too well you know somethings up. Agree Drake is much better comparison but the editor was trying to make a point. Clemson is paying all the top recruits and cheating with PEDs. Their own employees are are now admitting it in court testimonies. It’ll be interesting how this all shakes out.

Agreed on all fronts. They are definitely feeling themselves and stepping into Bama territory. The lansdscape is shifting so the next 4-5 will be interesting.

 

[Garnacho]

They can be audited though and the treasurer would need to show proof of where the money is going too.

“Prepaid debit cards” ...that’s the end of the paper trail

 

[SayWhat]

Not sure who brought it up on this board but Clemson’s connection to new spring church in the upstate of South Carolina and the money that is rumored to be funneled through the church to players would make them untouchable. Churches are a tax exempt business(some major scum of the earth take people’s faith and use it to turn a huge profit). They brainwash employees and the higher ups get more wealthy then athletes. You don’t have to pay taxes on your money then the feds will never get involved. What resources do you think that assistant coach is talking about. The former pastor was a huge Clemson fan. The timeline of the rise of that church and the rise of the Clemson program are almost spot on. Dabo is a huge advocate of faith and specifically New Spring and the players all attend the church. The writing is on the wall but only a select few know for sure 100% was going on. But if Dabo built a pay for player scheme through a tax exempt business it’s pretty ingenious.

Nice theory, but you do realize that "tax exempt" doesn't mean you are free and clear from accounting. Tax exempt just means they don't pay taxes, but they have to report and account for any money coming in or going out.

 

[BloodEunsOrangeAndGreen]

Nice theory, but you do realize that "tax exempt" doesn't mean you are free and clear from accounting. Tax exempt just means they don't pay taxes, but they have to report and account for any money coming in or going out.

Read the thread people who work in that field give a lot more insight into how it is very plausible. Not a theory, I’ve heard the rumor from a couple different college football fans and just brought it back up here for discussion.

 

[SayWhat]

Try and find profit statement about new spring church online. It is almost impossible. You can’t even find what the church(company) is worth. It seems churches are protected in some way from public knowledge.

Try and find the value for just about any entity that isn't publicly traded and you'll come up with the same results. Same for people as well.

I'm not going to get much into this debate, but there are a lot of dumb things said in this thread in an effort to try and prove some rumor they heard from somewhere.

I'll just say this. There would have to be A LOT of people on board to make something like this happen. It is far more likely that it would happen through some Podunk church than a big one.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

What did they do with father Leo?

Nothing.

That guy is talking out of his ***.

 

[SayWhat]

Read the thread people who work in that field give a lot more insight into how it is very plausible. Not a theory, I’ve heard the rumor from a couple different college football fans and just brought it back up here for discussion.

I've read the thread, that's how I got here. Let's just say it isn't very insightful.

Carry on though, it's more entertaining than most threads.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Two Errors....You listened to 2 Mount Rushmore Douchebags...Douche #1 Snitched on his Own Alma Mater while as a Student...
Douche #2 Threatened to Snitch on his so-called Beloved UM program...all because of a QB not starting...and while the Program was already reeling......

What’s cūnt that guy is. He should be banned on principle alone.

Oh yeah..we have people saying let’s drop bags, yet we have snitchy cūnts that can’t wait to put on a public forum that Father Leo gave a player change for a twenty.

And people that think Luke was a bagman, that cheap ******* wasn’t, not for real. He handed out hundreds, not thousands. It’s all bullshlt.

 

[BloodEunsOrangeAndGreen]

I've read the thread, that's how I got here. Let's just say it isn't very insightful.

Carry on though, it's more entertaining than most threads.

Just watch the documentary in 20 years. Lol But seriously if you do have any insight why don’t you share it? Could they not say they were helping a poor family who just happened to have a 5 star recruit? I’ve seen jobs where people get greased(kickbacks) in almost every profession. Why can it not happen at a church who has way less stringent rules. They also deal with a lot of cash(or used to) bc of the collection at the end. I understand your skeptics but it is a discussion so just pointing out reason I could see it.

Clemson’s assistant basketball coach also is on fbi wiretap saying their football team pay players. We just are trying to piece together how.

 

[TOcane]

Just watch the documentary in 20 years. Lol But seriously if you do have any insight why don’t you share it? Could they not say they were helping a poor family who just happened to have a 5 star recruit? I’ve seen jobs where people get greased(kickbacks) in almost every profession. Why can it not happen at a church who has way less stringent rules. They also deal with a lot of cash(or used to) bc of the collection at the end. I understand your skeptics but it is a discussion so just pointing out reason I could see it.

Clemson’s assistant basketball coach also is on fbi wiretap saying their football team pay players. We just are trying to piece together how.

Most modern churches I believe receive the majority of their tithes through online giving. If they suggest cash over that, then it would be a cause for concern.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Lewis got his first CB to Clemson from John Garcia.

"I’m still gonna take all my visits but the phone call I had with Clemson, I heard some good things," Lewis told 247Sports. "Coach (Brent) Venables was telling me about the stats in the past few years and by time I get there it’ll be eight linebackers gone and I have a good chance of early playing time. Good deal for the number one team...I'm trying to get there this summer."
Garcia also reported 1) that there's early indication that Lewis and Williams want to play at the same college and 2). Lewis seems closer to leaving the state of Florida for college than ever, per a source.

 

[warpigs58]

Their (Clem$on) run will end when Sabag hangs it up and Dabo goes back home.
Kinda like when Butch left and we all know how that went.

I used to think that but not anymore. Clemson will pay what they need to to hang on to Dabo. Clemson alums have wayyyyy more money than Bama!

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Lewis got his first CB to Clemson from John Garcia.

"I’m still gonna take all my visits but the phone call I had with Clemson, I heard some good things," Lewis told 247Sports. "Coach (Brent) Venables was telling me about the stats in the past few years and by time I get there it’ll be eight linebackers gone and I have a good chance of early playing time. Good deal for the number one team...I'm trying to get there this summer."
Garcia also reported 1) that there's early indication that Lewis and Williams want to play at the same college and 2). Lewis seems closer to leaving the state of Florida for college than ever, per a source.

If we lose this battle it’s time to hang it up

 

[Fluffhead]

Lewis got his first CB to Clemson from John Garcia.

"I’m still gonna take all my visits but the phone call I had with Clemson, I heard some good things," Lewis told 247Sports. "Coach (Brent) Venables was telling me about the stats in the past few years and by time I get there it’ll be eight linebackers gone and I have a good chance of early playing time. Good deal for the number one team...I'm trying to get there this summer."
Garcia also reported 1) that there's early indication that Lewis and Williams want to play at the same college and 2). Lewis seems closer to leaving the state of Florida for college than ever, per a source.

It will play out the same way as Tyrique Stevenson.

 

[305407cane]

It will play out the same way as Tyrique Stevenson.

100%. I said this in another thread. He was committed to ufag at one point. Has no loyalty to Miami

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

“Prepaid debit cards” ...that’s the end of the paper trail

Until the IRS starts staking out the local CVSs to find the guys walking in purchasing 500 100$ pre paid debit cards